Sick of seeing people brin ARTPOP down

[Benji 20,113]

After a sleep and work, I'm back b*tches

 

(1) imo, the ideas were there from day one, just not articulated well enough.

(2) not with the songs but with their interpretations and, more importantly, what she had to say about the ARTPOP concept in interviews.

(3) as i stated before, i see its success paradoxically: losing control over the era helped her regain control over her artistic integrity. 

i'm happy that you get it. it would be better if you appreciated it more, tho. 

1) What do you mean articulated? If you read the image that was a description of ARTPOP, you would see it was articulated very well. Just because that wasn't delivered, doesn't mean it was articulated badly.

2) I could interpret PRISM to be the audio Mona Lisa, doesn't mean that it is.

3) So the whole era falls upon the two things she done after she regained control? The G.U.Y. video and the artRAVE? To me, the music is meant to be basic so Gaga could have built on them, the album is her foundation to create art with. That's what she done (eventually)........ that doesn't mean the album it's self is such a high concept that it's made out to be in the OP. The album is meant to be fun and it is.

The "designed to be hits" doesn't mean the songs have less integrity or don't work towards the overall concepts and notions. The "designed to be hits" is to bring simple pop music and art together and the simple idea of having fun as per my original post is a challenge in a way. Lady Gaga although yes things didn't go her way, she at the same time knows in her heart what she is talking about. The music itself didn't need to be "artysy" and what everyone wants to label as art (even though I can argue it is in many ways), it was the bringing together of art and pop and creating the hybrid. It was what the album was creating outside of the album. The fact that she wanted us to have an album you could just easily enjoy was exactly that. But she knew people would break it down and try to distinguish its flames and its almost crafted in such a way to highlight those people. Not every fan NEEDS to or MUST love and like ARTPOP, but I tell you what, it was the album to distinguish her loyal and loving fans from those that jump ship and jump back on when it pleases. I'm not saying here who is lesser or greater, you can dislike the album respectfully, but those that slagged it and ditched her during this era were definatley highlighted, and in all the artistry within and out of the album she set out to do just that. She always wanted to be outside the box and those that slag her off are inside it.

But not just directing this to you btw I can see you understand it :) Just in general

I literally agree with the entire first half of this? Why didn't you put this in the OP instead of ranting about liberation and breaking down barriers? It's literally a fun pop album, the performance art was to come after... but it barely did due to issues with management blah blah blah blah

This album is probably the least representative of her "loyal and loving fans" considering the majority of people who hate Cheek To Cheek are also the fans who only hopped on the wagon for ARTPOP. Everyone who was here since the start pretty much knew jazz would come eventually since she's performed it before. The amount of ARTPOP fans I've seen bash C2C is horrendous, then they tell other's that someone isn't a fan unless they love ARTPOP. Isn't it ironic?

In my opinion, there's no such prestige among the fans. You either like something, or you don't.

[kiwifromvenus 508]

To sum up basically I'm just tired of every post that's not even related to ARTPOP taking a swipe at it. There's more to it than people think; simple. And you know what when someone tries to celebrate ARTPOP they are knocked.

the ones that bash Cheek to Cheek are ridic too. There is a clear distinction between critique and being another word starting with c etc but I agree it did get bashed too. I for one love everything Gaga does not because it's all perfect but because it's all part of her artistic expression, journey and growth that I have chosen to go on. But that's just me. Not saying I'm superior. 

Like I said we need to be more of a force together than apart. She gets enough s*** out there let alone in here. Just think about her before you post something about her and maybe try to focus on the positives. 

Too me ARTPOP in it's fun and simplicities adheres to the theory and ideas I presented.

i just don't want to see the same c*** for the next album, let's get behind our Mother Monster ❤️

[crisTEAne 21,059]

I could interpret PRISM to be the audio Mona Lisa, doesn't mean that it is.

actually, it does. it's a matter of interpretation. think about the MTN monologue: the lie (interpretation, perspective, etc) is much more honest because it was invented by the artist. in this case, ARTPOP is gaga's truth. when i said that ARTPOP means 2 things to me, that was my truth—my interpretation. there is no ultimate turth, you know. 

i'm done convincing you. 

[Benji 20,113]

actually, it does. it's a matter of interpretation. think about the MTN monologue: the lie (interpretation, perspective, etc) is much more honest because it was invented by the artist. in this case, ARTPOP is gaga's truth. when i said that ARTPOP means 2 things to me, that was my truth—my interpretation. there is no ultimate turth, you know. 

i'm done convincing you. 

So it just comes down to interpretation, that decides it? So why are the people who interpret it as not as good as her old work, wrong? I don't see the point in calling out people who interpret it different? I wouldn't write a rant telling people why people should like Born This Way more, because they either do or they don't. I also wouldn't make a flimsy list of things the album achieves as it's all about the music not the undelivered ideas 

[kiwifromvenus 508]

So it just comes down to interpretation, that decides it? So why are the people who interpret it as not as good as her old work, wrong? I don't see the point in calling out people who interpret it different? I wouldn't write a rant telling people why people should like Born This Way more, because they either do or they don't. I also wouldn't make a flimsy list of things the album achieves as it's all about the music not the undelivered ideas 

it's more than music it's art. Art is also designed to open up your mind and question things. No one is saying you CANT have an opinion (read my post a few up) no one is saying you HAVE to like it; merely saying let those who love it celebrate it and don't be so harsh towards it constantly. Say your piece and then leave it; if you obviously don't like it then simple you don't like it and you have nothing new to add  to discussions about it etc (NOT SAYING YOU DIRECTLY JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING) 

Anyway listening to ARTPOP now and loving it #inspofortheday

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

It's still Gaga's worst album. 

[kiwifromvenus 508]

It's still Gaga's worst album. 

it's your worst. I don't think it's her worst, she hasn't really ever said which one is her worst. 

[Benji 20,113]

it's more than music it's art. Art is also designed to open up your mind and question things. No one is saying you CANT have an opinion (read my post a few up) no one is saying you HAVE to like it; merely saying let those who love it celebrate it and don't be so harsh towards it constantly. Say your piece and then leave it; if you obviously don't like it then simple you don't like it and you have nothing new to add  to discussions about it etc (NOT SAYING YOU DIRECTLY JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING) 

Anyway listening to ARTPOP now and loving it #inspofortheday

Your OP reads completely different from that though...

[crisTEAne 21,059]

(1) So it just comes down to interpretation, that decides it?

(2) So why are the people who interpret it as not as good as her old work, wrong?

(3) I don't see the point in calling out people who interpret it different?

(4) it's all about the music not the undelivered ideas 

oh, FFS.  

(1) duh, as art is subjective.

(2) i never said they were wrong. i said that they don't seem to understand it fully.

(3) people were BASHING us because we said that it is much more than an album. that it's okay not to like it, but ****ing word your opinion respectfully. 

(4) for you. for me, it's a more complex experience. 

It's still Gaga's worst album. 

it's still your opinion.

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

it's your worst. I don't think it's her worst, she hasn't really ever said which one is her worst. 

oh, FFS.  

(1) duh, as art is subjective.

(2) i never said they were wrong. i said that they don't seem to understand it fully.

(3) people were BASHING us because we said that it is much more than an album. that it's okay not to like it, but ****ing word your opinion respectfully. 

(4) for you. for me, it's a more complex experience. 

it's still your opinion.

oh wow, drag me. 

[crisTEAne 21,059]

oh wow, drag me. 

if that's your definition of dragging.  

[kiwifromvenus 508]

Your OP reads completely different from that though...

it does in a way. If you read it. But then like I said I learn something new in it everyday and my views evolved as this discussion took place. The original post does cover what I've been saying though. It's saying that people go too far in bringing it down and that's what she wanted to achieve with this album pointing that out. It's also celebrating ARTPOP and advising there are other ways to see it if you open your mind. Never said I was superior or that you couldn't dislike it. Just said I was sick of the constant blatant hate and bringing it down 

[Benji 20,113]

oh, FFS.  

(1) duh, as art is subjective.

(2) i never said they were wrong. i said that they don't seem to understand it fully.

(3) people were BASHING us because we said that it is much more than an album. that it's okay not to like it, but ****ing word your opinion respectfully. 

(4) for you. for me, it's a more complex experience. 

it's still your opinion.

1) Yes, it's subjective but you can't call a cat a dog and expect people to go "yeah, that's a dog." ... Gaga said multiple times what her plans were and they weren't able to be delivered, hence why people will question you and others when you say that the album achieved what it was meant to, because it didn't.

2) I like ARTPOP, but I don't think it's as good as her other work. I understand the concept fully

3) The worst thing you'll see is people saying they don't think it's very good. Which is totally acceptable when you put it into perspective considering a majority of them are here because they like her other work.

4) But it's not? I've said the full experience wasn't delivered multiple times now... apart from two videos and a couple of performances that hit her usual high standard, there's nothing making this fun pop album "complex"

it does in a way. If you read it. But then like I said I learn something new in it everyday and my views evolved as this discussion took place. The original post does cover what I've been saying though. It's saying that people go too far in bringing it down and that's what she wanted to achieve with this album pointing that out. It's also celebrating ARTPOP and advising there are other ways to see it if you open your mind. Never said I was superior or that you couldn't dislike it. Just said I was sick of the constant blatant hate and bringing it down 

Well you were outlining what it achieved, which it didn't. I appreciate the fact you like it, I like it too but that doesn't mean you can ignore the facts that came from Gaga herself.

[crisTEAne 21,059]

1) Yes, it's subjective but you can't call a cat a dog and expect people to go "yeah, that's a dog." ... Gaga said multiple times what her plans were and they weren't able to be delivered, hence why people will question you and others when you say that the album achieved what it was meant to, because it didn't.

2) I like ARTPOP, but I don't think it's as good as her other work. I understand the concept fully

3) The worst thing you'll see is people saying they don't think it's very good. Which is totally acceptable when you put it into perspective considering a majority of them are here because they like her other work.

4) But it's not? I've said the full experience wasn't delivered multiple times now... apart from two videos and a couple of performances that hit her usual high standard, there's nothing making this fun pop album "complex"

(1) you can, if that's your truth.

(2) k, i see it differently.

(3) i reported a few comments, plus someone called donatella trash the other day. imo, it's pretty bad to see stuff like that.

(4) and i said multiple times what i think.

 

[Benji 20,113]

(1) you can, if that's your truth.

(2) k, i see it differently.

(3) i reported a few comments, plus someone called donatella trash the other day. imo, it's pretty bad to see stuff like that.

(4) and i said multiple times what i think.

 

1) There's what you think and what's true though.

2) k

3) Yeah, it's pretty bad to see that but sh*t happens. Donatella isn't exactly on the same par as many of Gaga's songs lyrically, it uses an old instrumental that belongs in 2012 and it's mastered so appallingly that you can barely make out what she's saying in parts. I like Donatella, but it's not hard to see why someone would call it trash.

4) Yes, you have.