Sick of seeing people brin ARTPOP down

[crisTEAne 21,059]

The thread is about the album? 

Please explain what your idea of the concept is? I mean the concept of the album changed nearly every week according to Gaga so I'm intrigued what your take is. 

to a certain extent, it is. however, OP is clearly taking about much more. 

i think you're also wrong there: the album concept did NOT change. she just tried to explain it in various ways so that it could resonate with more people. in your case, she clearly failed. 

for me, ARTPOP means 2 things: (1) the warholian ideal: challenging preconceived ideas about low/high culture, (2) artistic integrity: as koons said in an interview, the gazing ball on the cover reflects a form of transcendence that can be a means of initiating a mass dialogue. if your next question is: dialogue about what? the sxsw keynote speech should provide you with a proper answer.

yes, it's theoretical stuff. yes, it's abstract. but i think that it was quite obvious that ARTPOP is much more than an album. i don't want you to think that i see those who understand ARTPOP as somehow superior to those who don't. i just don't see the point in criticizing something that you, seemingly, don't understand fully. yes, it's a question of interpretation, but bashing should not be a part of it.  

‌@kiwifromvenus and ‌@skeleton.gun, you guys really hit the nail on the head!!  Bravo!!    Unfortunately, however, people know GGD is a fan forum and they feel compelled to express their opinions - whether they be good or bad. 

It's best to just ignore the negative threads and posts and just carry on your merry way and continue to love ARTPOP.  Take me for example, I don't really care what the rest of this fan base thinks.  I love ARTPOP and I feel like it's tied with Born This Way as being one of Gaga's best albums.  People may choose to agree or disagree with me.  I really don't care either way because it's my opinion.    

At the end of the day, I don't let other people's opinions rain on my parade and you shouldn't either because we were Born This Way, baby!!!!!      

ARTPOP rulz.  i know, sometimes it's not easy. i tend to ignore the negative threads, but i feel that ARTPOP deserves so much more and it breaks my heart to see the constant negativity surrounding it.  

[Benji 20,113]

to a certain extent, it is. however, OP is clearly taking about much more. 

i think you're also wrong there: the album concept did NOT change. she just tired to explain it in various ways so that it could resonate with more people. in your case, she clearly failed. 

for me, ARTPOP means 2 things: (1) the warholian ideal: challenging preconceived ideas about low/high culture, (2) artistic integrity: as koons said in an interview, the gazing ball on the cover reflects a form of transcendence that can be a means of initiating a mass dialogue. if your next question is: dialogue about what? the sxsw keynote speech should provide you with a proper answer.

yes, it's theoretical stuff. yes, it's abstract. but i think that it was quite obvious that ARTPOP is much more than an album. i don't want you to think that i see those who understand ARTPOP as somehow superior to those who don't. i just don't see the point in criticizing something that you, seemingly, don't understand fully. yes, it's a question of interpretation, but bashing should not be a part of it.  

On the VMA red carpet, the album was all about having fun.... then it didn't perform very well, the app got pulled, plans fell apart and then suddenly all of these grand ideas about art suddenly were placed on the album.

I somewhat agree with your points about the album but please tell me how she achieved any of this with an album full of songs "designed to be hits" .......... 

I totally get the concept and goals of ARTPOP, I just don't see how you can think she achieved any of this when she had no control of the era until it was too late to steer towards any of her original plans.

[Bad Bromance 5,809]

ARTPOP rulz.  i know, sometimes it's not easy. i tend to ignore the negative threads, but i feel that ARTPOP deserves so much more and it breaks my heart to see the constant negativity surrounding it.  

I hear ya, but I let other people's negativity roll off me.  Life's too short to waste time and energy on people who insist on being negative.  

[warhol killah 8,674]

omg the ahs font

people keep talking about this why does mine have none

[crisTEAne 21,059]

(1) On the VMA red carpet, the album was all about having fun.... then it didn't perform very well, the app got pulled, plans fell apart and then suddenly all of these grand ideas about art suddenly were placed on the album.

(2) I somewhat agree with your points about the album but please tell me how she achieved any of this with an album full of songs "designed to be hits" .......... 

(3) I totally get the concept and goals of ARTPOP, I just don't see how you can think she achieved any of this when she had no control of the era until it was too late to steer towards any of her original plans.

(1) imo, the ideas were there from day one, just not articulated well enough.

(2) not with the songs but with their interpretations and, more importantly, what she had to say about the ARTPOP concept in interviews.

(3) as i stated before, i see its success paradoxically: losing control over the era helped her regain control over her artistic integrity. 

i'm happy that you get it. it would be better if you appreciated it more, tho. 

I hear ya, but I let other people's negativity roll off me.  Life's too short to waste time and energy on people who insist on being negative.  

a hybrid can withstand these things. 

[Bad Bromance 5,809]

a hybrid can withstand these things. 

My heart can beat with bricks and strings.  Our ARTPOP could mean anything!  

[kiwifromvenus 508]

On the VMA red carpet, the album was all about having fun.... then it didn't perform very well, the app got pulled, plans fell apart and then suddenly all of these grand ideas about art suddenly were placed on the album.

I somewhat agree with your points about the album but please tell me how she achieved any of this with an album full of songs "designed to be hits" .......... 

I totally get the concept and goals of ARTPOP, I just don't see how you can think she achieved any of this when she had no control of the era until it was too late to steer towards any of her original plans.

The "designed to be hits" doesn't mean the songs have less integrity or don't work towards the overall concepts and notions. The "designed to be hits" is to bring simple pop music and art together and the simple idea of having fun as per my original post is a challenge in a way. Lady Gaga although yes things didn't go her way, she at the same time knows in her heart what she is talking about. The music itself didn't need to be "artysy" and what everyone wants to label as art (even though I can argue it is in many ways), it was the bringing together of art and pop and creating the hybrid. It was what the album was creating outside of the album. The fact that she wanted us to have an album you could just easily enjoy was exactly that. But she knew people would break it down and try to distinguish its flames and its almost crafted in such a way to highlight those people. Not every fan NEEDS to or MUST love and like ARTPOP, but I tell you what, it was the album to distinguish her loyal and loving fans from those that jump ship and jump back on when it pleases. I'm not saying here who is lesser or greater, you can dislike the album respectfully, but those that slagged it and ditched her during this era were definatley highlighted, and in all the artistry within and out of the album she set out to do just that. She always wanted to be outside the box and those that slag her off are inside it.

But not just directing this to you btw I can see you understand it :) Just in general

 

a hybrid can withstand these things. 

My heart can beat with bricks and strings.  Our ARTPOP could mean anything!  

We could we could BELONG TOGETHER ARTPOP

(Both art and pop but also a cry to her fans. I honestly miss the Little Monsters' unity back in the day I feel its lost its unity a bit. As above thats not like saying no one can dislike stuff she does, but overall unity and love has somewhat diminished)

Not to worry because she has learnt alot over the last few years and I truly believe ARTPOP will be appreciated in years to come; the imperfect perfection that it is!

[crisTEAne 21,059]

I truly believe ARTPOP will be appreciated in years to come; the imperfect perfection that it is!

i so agree with that!

[Bad Bromance 5,809]

 

We could we could BELONG TOGETHER ARTPOP
(Both art and pop but also a cry to her fans. I honestly miss the Little Monsters' unity back in the day I feel its lost its unity a bit. As above thats not like saying no one can dislike stuff she does, but overall unity and love has somewhat diminished)

Not to worry because she has learnt alot over the last few years and I truly believe ARTPOP will be appreciated in years to come; the imperfect perfection that it is!

ARTPOP will most definitely be appreciated down the road.  It is truly an incredible album and if people don't agree, they're entitled to their opinion BUT we are ALSO entitled to ours.  

 

[ryhanna 3,507]

Gonna be honest, I'm over this crap. I can't wait until the next album's out so the endless "I hate ARTPOP" and "Stop bashing ARTPOP!" threads cease. Both sides just gotta chill out and like what they like. 

[TimisaMonster 31,073]

Everyone, including you, can admit ARTPOP was messy conceptually and sonically...

It's ok for fans to say they didn't like it

Plus, ARTPOP was a diluted version of the original vision...so to make it sound like it was this DEEP and genius album is simply reaching...even Gaga couldn't make much sense of it and struggled to explain it's meaning with a different answer every time she was asked

[kiwifromvenus 508]

Well lets just conclude then there are those that hate it and love it and to those that hate it "Grab a glow stick, or get the f*** out." in the nicest possible way :P All in jest.

[GloZell Green 11,723]

I'm gonna be rude so if you hate ARTPOP, don't read this 

"I have a right to express my opinion" You sound like those f***ing annoying c**ts on YouTube hating on Gaga and trying to back yourself up. Okay, you didn't like the album at all. That's okay, you don't have to like everything that Gaga does. The truth of the matter is that you should keep your opinion to yourself. Because when you say "ARTPOP was a complete disaster" all the time, it just annoys people who liked he album, like myself. Sorry for coming out like that but every single forum has negative ARTPOP comments, even if it's off topic. It had to be said  I'm sick sick and SICK of those types of responses. Just don't say anything about the album if you hate it, and problem solved.

[giskardsb 12,565]

You don't have to worship everything Gaga does and lick her ass to be a fan.

 

lol this is literally like the first thing somebody inevitably posts when somebody criticizes the criticizers.   It's become a meme among the GGD crtics.  We should give WP's for repeating it tbh, its just crude as **** and unnecessary.  Nobody ever claimed that anyone had to like everything, but for some reason many critics here feel the need to constantly bring down threads.

It does get old that too many GGD'ers use ARTPOP as the butt of jokes for their own negative purposes.  Find other ways to express yourself rather than bringing down what other people enjoy.  ARTPOP is not a derogative.

[SEVDALIZA 1,274]

lol this is literally like the first thing somebody inevitably posts when somebody criticizes the criticizers.   It's become a meme among the GGD crtics.  We should give WP's for repeating it tbh, its just crude as **** and unnecessary.  Nobody ever claimed that anyone had to like everything, but for some reason many critics here feel the need to constantly bring down threads.

It does get old that too many GGD'ers use ARTPOP as the butt of jokes for their own negative purposes.  Find other ways to express yourself rather than bringing down what other people enjoy.  ARTPOP is not a derogative.

Just as unnecessary as repeatedly being told that because I don't worship an album Gaga has put out I'm a fake fan and I need to shut up and pretend I like it :))))))) If y'all wanna enjoy ARTPOP literally no one is going to stop you, if you can't enjoy an album because some people don't like it and voice their opinion on it, maybe the issue is not with the people who don't like it, perhaps y'all are just not confident on your own taste :)))

So how about we stop crucifying people who don't like the album? Because the most I've ever seen here, was people point out why they don't like the album, or make harmless jokes about it. It's very rare to see people actually attacking the album destructively. On the other hand, it's quite common to see people being shut down for not worshiping Gaga's every move.