ARTPOP was never about ''artistic music''

[VforVendetta 2,024]

Sorry but is all a bunch of crap, like even Gaga doesn't know what this album was supposed to be about (putting art in the front, it could mean anything, rebellion, etc list goes on with the descriptions she gave on the concept but that's a whole other issue). An album can be about farts or something so idiotic or simple but as long as the music and execution is good there wouldn't be a problem and that is what obviously lacked with ARTPOP. So we can sit here and write essays on what ARTPOP really meant or why it didn't resonate with the masses the way we wished it did, at the end of the day the concept of "ARTPOP" itself is up for debate.

The thing is that I'm not making guessing about what ARTPOP could be, I'm stating what ARTPOP IS about cause WE do know and Gaga herself knows, the concept is very obvious. Gaga herself has stated many times that the album is about fusing Pop music with Pop culture. The fact that the theme is debatable is because THERE IS NO THEME, that's what I'm saying all along. The title "ARTPOP" refers to a movement, the movement of popart reversed in Pop Music, it has nothing to do with the theme of the album.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

I'm pretty sure I used to say this to you (despite the overrating of the whole concept and achievements) if we argued about ARTPOP and you disagreed with me

ARTPOP (the album), from what I've experienced listening to it. Is basically an ensemble of different styles and genres whilst retaining their clear main genre; pop. The concept of 'ARTPOP' isn't really in the music because it's not meant to be, it's just a tool to be used in creating amazing performances, art pieces, videos etc but obviously this never happened for numerous reasons. I also believe the app was supposed to be a huge part of the era and the album was merely a basic release to give the public, whilst the fans enjoyed various releases on the app and online.

Now, I won't go into my opinions on the album on it's own because I've always thought it's unfair to tear into what is an okay but not fully flourished album, but I hope people will stop saying to each other "YOU DON'T GET ARTPOP" when really, even if they did "get it" ... it's not like that's an achievement because we got nothing in comparison to what was planned.

Actually no I always believed that. I do remember that we were disagreeing about something but I am also sure it was something else  (I think it was a debate about if ARTPOP is better than BTW or the oppossite).

[Benji 20,113]

The thing is that I'm not making guessing about what ARTPOP could be, I'm stating what ARTPOP IS about cause WE do know and Gaga herself knows, the concept is very obvious. Gaga herself has stated many times that the album is about fusing Pop music with Pop culture. The fact that the theme is debatable is because THERE IS NO THEME, that's what I'm saying all along. The title "ARTPOP" refers to a movement, the movement of popart reversed in Pop Music, it has nothing to do with the theme of the album.

Don't overrate it though.

Pop artists have been putting "ART into POP" for a long time, also putting "POP into ART"

If you want evidence of both, look at Madonna.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

Don't overrate it though.

Pop artists have been putting "ART into POP" for a long time, also putting "POP into ART"

If you want evidence of both, look at Madonna.

True but never under a wider concept and project like ARTPOP and this is what makes the album unique.

[Hauser 1,262]

The thing is that I'm not making guessing about what ARTPOP could be, I'm stating what ARTPOP IS about cause WE do know and Gaga herself knows, the concept is very obvious. Gaga herself has stated many times that the album is about fusing Pop music with Pop culture. The fact that the theme is debatable is because THERE IS NO THEME, that's what I'm saying all along. The title "ARTPOP" refers to a movement, the movement of popart reversed in Pop Music, it has nothing to do with the theme of the album.

That is basically the concept of The Fame album though, and ARTPOP didn't feel like The Fame pt 2. The entire concept of fusing pop music with pop culture is something done by artists for a very long time, it's not like Gaga made a huge innovative risk with this as a brand new concept. I see what you are saying that you see ARTPOP as a movement, however this has been going on with Michael Jackson, Madonna, Britney Spears, Xtina, etc.

[Quasi 10,910]

With the era over,  I interpreted ARTPOP as more of a commentary on Gaga's life. Her life is ARTPOP. She always infuses her artistry, visuals, and ideas or in other words, her ART, into pop music. The songs themself are not avante garde or what some people may describe as "artsy", but they are all statements about Gaga's life and how her artistry and life events factor into her music. 

[Benji 20,113]

True but never under a wider concept and project like ARTPOP and this is what makes the album unique.

I'm sorry but no?

The concept is simple, it's injecting ART into POP and vice versa. Let's not complicate it, that is literally it.

The project fell flat on it's ass and all we have from it is a mediocre pop album that was supposed to be extended and two videos. One that consists of "Look, I'm Gaga, I'm back, here's some smart references that you should care about but I doubt you will because they're ultimately, not that interesting" and "Here's a story I'm sure my fans will understand because I've been banging on about it for months now! Also, look at all these references I can make again, who cares if one half clashes with the other! This is ARTPOP!" ....

I'm not going to mention the performances because outside of some great vocal deliveries, we got nothing of outstanding quality and most were messy.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

That is basically the concept of The Fame album though, and ARTPOP didn't feel like The Fame pt 2. The entire concept of fusing pop music with pop culture is something done by artists for a very long time, it's not like Gaga made a huge innovative risk with this as a brand new concept. I see what you are saying that you see ARTPOP as a movement, however this has been going on with Michael Jackson, Madonna, Britney Spears, Xtina, etc.

The Fame is about Gaga's desire to become famous (and get's reflected into every human's personal desire for success and fame), it has nothing to do with what I described about ARTPOP. (though Gaga always used Pop culture in her works)

As for what you said about the older Pop artists it's true, they all  used the idea of ARTPOP in the past (including Gaga). The thing is that Gaga took this idea that is already a big part of pop history and made it a concept.

To explain it is like when we all took selfies years ago but then some time ago someone came and gave the whole act the name and made it a thing. Yes he didn;t discover it but he did give this act an indentity and made it a part of Pop Culture. As I said above you can judge ARTPOP and Gaga's innovation when it comes it it but you can't take away the weight it has for Pop culture.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

I'm sorry but no?

The concept is simple, it's injecting ART into POP and vice versa. Let's not complicate it, that is literally it.

The project fell flat on it's ass and all we have from it is a mediocre pop album that was supposed to be extended and two videos. One that consists of "Look, I'm Gaga, I'm back, here's some smart references that you should care about but I doubt you will because they're ultimately, not that interesting" and "Here's a story I'm sure my fans will understand because I've been banging on about it for months now! Also, look at all these references I can make again, who cares if one half clashes with the other! This is ARTPOP!" ....

I'm not going to mention the performances because outside of some great vocal deliveries, we got nothing of outstanding quality and most were messy.

You are directing the conversation somewhere else. If you liked the Era depends from your taste and from the circumstances in Gaga's life. The concept is simple but this means something. As for the rest look my post above.

[Benji 20,113]

The Fame is about Gaga's desire to become famous (and get's translated about every humans personal desire for success and fame), it has nothing to do with what I described about ARTPOP. (though Gaga used

As for what you said about the older Pop artists it's true, they all  used the idea of ARTPOP in the past (including Gaga). The thing is that Gaga took this idea that is already a big part of pop history and made it a concept.

To explain it is like when we all took selfies years ago but then some time ago someone came and gave the whole act the name and made it a thing. Yes he didn;t discover it but he did give this act an indentity and made it a part of Pop Culture. As I said above you can judge ARTPOP and Gaga's innovation when it comes it it but you can't take away the weight it has for Pop culture.

You are directing the conversation somewhere else. If you liked the Era depends from your taste and from the circumstances in Gaga's life. The concept is simple but this means something. As for the rest look my post above.

You're giving her far too much credit by using 'innovative' though and just because she can speak about this concept, doesn't mean she's accredited for the concept.

For example, at the same time as the ARTPOP era, Miley Cyrus was doing the exact same, she even spoke about it. Listen to her discuss Bangerz and you'll realise they're actually doing the exact same concept, they're just tarting it up with different lexis.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

You're giving her far too much credit by using 'innovative' though and just because she can speak about this concept, doesn't mean she's accredited for the concept.

For example, at the same time as the ARTPOP era, Miley Cyrus was doing the exact same, she even spoke about it. Listen to her discuss Bangerz and you'll realise they're actually doing the exact same concept, they're just tarting it up with different lexis.

Actually no. All pop music always has some references in Pop culture but it's not the same as ARTPOP.

I'll explain it simplier with an example. 

If in the future someone makes an album with no main theme and with an Era whose whole aim is to refernce Pop culture and make Pop culture just for the sake of it then this album will be marked by the Pop culture followers as something Lady Gaga has done.

There is not something a future mainstream artist will do with his/her music and album that would be considered something Miley Cyrus did (except if they copy her and sit naked in a wrecking ball while licking stuf lol) because it's a basic Pop album that follows mainstream Pop music standars and pop culture but creates no new one an dleaves no impact. 

Here is the different between a uniqu concept that becomes a part of pop culture like ARTPOP and an album that just follows (lazy) pop culture.

[Benji 20,113]

Actually no. All pop music always has some references in Pop culture but it's not the same as ARTPOP.

I'll explain it simplier with an example. 

If in the future someone makes an album with no main theme and with an Era whose whole aim is to refernce Pop culture and make Pop culture then this album will be marked by the Pop culture followers as something Lady Gaga has done.

There is not something a future mainstream artist will do with his/her music and album that would be considered something Miley Cyrus did (except if they copy her and sit naked in a wrecking ball while licking stuf lol) because it's a basic Pop album that follows mainstream Pop and pop culture but creates no new one an dleaves no impact. 

Here is the different between a uniqu concept that becomes a part of pop culture like ARTPOP and an album that just follows (lazy) pop culture.

You don't have to explain it or try to make it simpler. It's not that I don't understand you, I simply disagree with you.

I'm just trying to explain to you that this concept has been explored and explained before Gaga and it will deffinetly be done again. Not because of Gaga or ARTPOP, but because the concept is what many artists base their entire career around and occasionally, a single era.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

You don't have to explain it or try to make it simpler. It's not that I don't understand you, I simply disagree with you.

I'm just trying to explain to you that this concept has been explored and explained before Gaga and it will deffinetly be done again. Not because of Gaga or ARTPOP, but because the concept is what many artists base their entire career around and occasionally, a single era.

Yes but it will never be done for the sake of it. ARTPOP is about referencing Pop culture in Pop music be referencing pop culture in Pop music.

For example It's like when everyone writes a ballad for his album and then someone writes a ballad about writing ballads. It's not the second coming of jusus crist, it's something obvious yet it's unique and it will be remembered. (yes ridiculous example I know, but effective)

[Benji 20,113]

Yes but it will never be done for the sake of it. ARTPOP is about referencing Pop culture in Pop music be referencing pop culture in Pop music.

For example It's like when everyone writes a ballad for his album and then someone writes a ballad about writing ballads. It's not the second coming of jusus crist, it's something obvious yet it's unique and it will be remembered. (yes ridiculous example I know, but effective)

You've basically explained breaking the fourth wall... Which has been done beforehand. Hell, even Disney Pop stars have done that. Listen to Aly & Aj's (I think that's their name?) Potential Break-up Song. What you've just explained is that song.... And this, once again, is not a new concept. I personally don't like breaking the fourth wall in music because it's rarely done right but that song springs to mind because it's done well.

[barcodemonster 3,525]

ARTPOPcorn is not easy for everyone to digest. Too much fibre