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Why some Gaga lyrics sometimes seem "bad"


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Fiona Apple

Last night damn you were in my s-x dreams

you were in my

doing really nasty things

you were in my dreams 

damn you were in my s-x dreams

you were in my 

makin love in my s-x dreams

 

The song may be a bop but the lyrics... 

​So every song needs to be serious? It seems like you guys don't even know what a good songwriter is

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Tropico

She's a hit-or-miss songwriter. Many times, her lyrics just don't resonate with average listeners or her lyrics are just too weird for anyone to even want to decipher them. Most of the songs on ARTPOP failed to make connections with listeners.

"Walk down the runway but don't puke. It's okay. You just had a salad today." 

"Guy I'm romancing loves to hold you. I know you'll wear my make-up well."

"Rocket no. nine take off to the planet. Venus. Aphrodite lady, seashell bikini. Garden panty. Venus."

"I killed my former and left her in the trunk on highway ten. Put the knife under the hood. If you find it, send it straight to Hollywood."

These lyrics... It's like... who the **** cares? A very small population is going to relate to these on a personal level. As a fan, I could appreciate them more, but if I was just an average listener, I'd probably throw my copy of the album away.

The Donatella lyric is obviously intended to highlight the pressure of models and entertainers. ARTPOP had a big focus on pop culture so it makes Donatella more enjoyable when you look at it sarcastically. 

But you left out the cool part of that G.U.Y. lyrics? The fact that guy I'm romancing love stands for G.I.R.L..

The Aura lyric was obviously intended to go with the Telephone continuation so it doesn't seem as good if you don't look at it like that (so I guess your right about the average listener vs fan thing). 

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Quark

She's a hit-or-miss songwriter. Many times, her lyrics just don't resonate with average listeners or her lyrics are just too weird for anyone to even want to decipher them. Most of the songs on ARTPOP failed to make connections with listeners.

"Walk down the runway but don't puke. It's okay. You just had a salad today." 

"Guy I'm romancing loves to hold you. I know you'll wear my make-up well."

"Rocket no. nine take off to the planet. Venus. Aphrodite lady, seashell bikini. Garden panty. Venus."

"I killed my former and left her in the trunk on highway ten. Put the knife under the hood. If you find it, send it straight to Hollywood."

These lyrics... It's like... who the **** cares? A very small population is going to relate to these on a personal level. As a fan, I could appreciate them more, but if I was just an average listener, I'd probably throw my copy of the album away.

​But a song not being relatable to many people does not mean the song is bad. You can dislike her songwriting for other reasons, but not being relatable to you or many others is not really what makes a song good or bad. Most of Picasso's work does not connect on an emotional level, but they are still admired and considered great because of their creativity, skill, and uniqueness.

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djBuffoon

Gaga's lyrics have always been her weakness, even in (yes) Born This Way. Her ear for melodies and hooks is unparalleled. But she has a very unique, clunky way of expressing things lyrically that, for better or worse, is both a little frustrating but also distinctive and endearing.

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Redstreak

Haven't you seen on every page someone bringing up a lyric from Donatella? 

​Yes but they bring up a lyric because that one particular lyric is bad, not the whole thing. You are allowed to think bits and pieces of a song don't work as well as the rest of it.

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djBuffoon

She's a hit-or-miss songwriter. Many times, her lyrics just don't resonate with average listeners or her lyrics are just too weird for anyone to even want to decipher them. Most of the songs on ARTPOP failed to make connections with listeners.

​I just love blanket statements, don't you? :green:

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Paper Planes

​But a song not being relatable to many people does not mean the song is bad. You can dislike her songwriting for other reasons, but not being relatable to you or many others is not really what makes a song good or bad. Most of Picasso's work does not connect on an emotional level, but they are still admired and considered great because of their creativity, skill, and uniqueness.

​But Picasso is not a pop music artist. Picasso was a painter. Not many paintings connect with people on an emotional level, but music does. Many people look at visual arts for aesthetic appeal. People today listen to pop music for sonic pleasure and connection to lyrics. Gaga has mastered the musicality, but her lyrics have become increasingly confusing.

Metaphoric and creative lyrics are great, but pop music listeners don't want to pick through lyrics with a fine-tooth comb to extract a meaning.  They want something that will tell a story, evoke emotion, or connect with them immediately. Taylor Swift, Sam Smith, Tove Lo and Hozier all had HUGE smashes last year because their lyrics made an instant connection with someone. All of their hits had a deep meaning behind them, but their lyrics are flexible enough to relate to listeners on another level. That's what makes the difference between Tove Lo's "Habits" and Lady Gaga's "Mary Jane Holland," for example.

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Paper Planes

​I just love blanket statements, don't you? :green:

​Except you failed to quote everything that backed-up my "blanket statement" :lolly:

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djBuffoon

​Except you failed to quote everything that backed-up my "blanket statement" :lolly:

​You backed up your opinion on the lyrics, but you also said, "her lyrics just don't resonate with average listeners or her lyrics are just too weird for anyone to even want to decipher them."

That is a blanket statement, difficult to prove when you can only really speak for yourself. ​:lolly:

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Dorothy Gale

​But Picasso is not a pop music artist. Picasso was a painter. Not many paintings connect with people on an emotional level, but music does. Many people look at visual arts for aesthetic appeal. People today listen to pop music for sonic pleasure and connection to lyrics. Gaga has mastered the musicality, but her lyrics have become increasingly confusing.

Metaphoric and creative lyrics are great, but pop music listeners don't want to pick through lyrics with a fine-tooth comb to extract a meaning.  They want something that will tell a story, evoke emotion, or connect with them immediately. Taylor Swift, Sam Smith, Tove Lo and Hozier all had HUGE smashes last year because their lyrics made an instant connection with someone. All of their hits had a deep meaning behind them, but their lyrics are flexible enough to relate to listeners on another level. That's what makes the difference between Tove Lo's "Habits" and Lady Gaga's "Mary Jane Holland," for example.

Tove Lo had a huge smash? I haven't heard habits, so it must've been a viral hit. 

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Paper Planes

​You backed up your opinion on the lyrics, but you also said, "her lyrics just don't resonate with average listeners or her lyrics are just too weird for anyone to even want to decipher them."

That is a blanket statement, difficult to prove when you can only really speak for yourself. ​:lolly:

​I think the critical reviews of ARTPOP speak for themselves on the downfall of the quality of her lyrics.

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djBuffoon

​I think the critical reviews of ARTPOP speak for themselves on the downfall of the quality of her lyrics.

​Do you always agree with the critics?

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Andy McQueen

She's a brilliant songwriter, which is the reason why she worked for artists like Britney Spears, Fergie, Jennifer Lopez, The ***cat Dolls, New Kids on the Block and many others in the past. 

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Andy McQueen

Also, she studied songwriting. She's brilliant. She wrote her first song around 13. Her work is magnificant. 

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