Three muslim students shot dead in university of North Carolina campus

[jomonster12 239]

I think it's literally impossible to be an "extremist atheist". Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a God, how can one do that in an extreme way?

He was extremely anti-religious but seemingly had some sort of disconnect between abhorring religious based violence and extremism and brutally murdering innocent students. 

Killing some one, well 3 people.

[djBuffoon 12,235]

Rest in peace, beautiful people.

[GagaXCollection 7,723]

Sad :(

[Luiz 4,253]

:excuseme:

[Bebe 17,289]

The three were so pretty. :(

 

Rest in peace. 

 

If you are anti- against something you can get extreme. I don't really think that anything has to with his Atheism, just his extreme anti-religion stance. (Though I don't know why he especially shot Muslims, I guess islamphobia also plays a role there) 

 

Sure, I think it's clear he is very anti-religion and I think you are right that Islamophobia probably plays a very large role.

 

It's literally not though.

There is an example in the very first post of this thread.

I don't see one. I see an example of an atheist that was very anti-religious and violent, but that shows he was extremely anti-religious not extremely atheist.

When we talk about religious extremism we talk about a particular and strong held religious conviction that reasonable people would find violent, immoral and "extreme". An extreme Christian holds extreme beliefs that are solely based on their interpretation of The Bible. An extreme Muslim holds an extreme belief that is inseparable from their interpretation of The Koran.

An atheist may become extremely anti-theist, but there are not any moral codes that bind all atheists. This isn't an example of an extreme interpretation of atheism, this is an example of an extremely anti-religious person. You can't have differing levels about not believing in God, you do or you don't. It isn't open for interpretation.

 

This is an atheist man who was very anti-religious and extreme in his anti-religious views, but it's not a case of somebody thinking "I don't believe in God" and murdering several people in the name of this non-existent God. This is an example of a person who obviously has a lot of issues with religion and extreme views about religious people.

[Bebe 17,289]

Killing some one, well 3 people.

 

:roll: See above. There is literally nobody who is killing people in the name of an non-existent God because of an interpretation of a non-existent book that sets a moral code for how all atheists must act.

An extreme Christian, who reads Leviticus and believes all Gay people should be stoned, has extreme views that are inseparable from their religious beliefs.

This is an extreme person, who holds extreme and violent views on religion, but you can't call him an extreme atheist because it's not possible to be extreme in the one quality that makes an atheist an atheist - you can't "not believe in God" in an extreme way. 

You can however be an atheist who also holds extreme anti-religious views, which this man clearly was.

[uo111 5,282]

Sure, I think it's clear he is very anti-religion and I think you are right that Islamophobia probably plays a very large role.

 

I don't see one. I see an example of an atheist that was very anti-religious and violent, but that shows he was extremely anti-religious not extremely atheist.

When we talk about religious extremism we talk about a particular and strong held religious conviction that reasonable people would find violent, immoral and "extreme". An extreme Christian holds extreme beliefs that are solely based on their interpretation of The Bible. An extreme Muslim holds an extreme belief that is inseparable from their interpretation of The Koran.

An atheist may become extremely anti-theist, but there are not any moral codes that bind all atheists. This isn't an example of an extreme interpretation of atheism, this is an example of an extremely anti-religious person. You can't have differing levels about not believing in God, you do or you don't. It isn't open for interpretation.

 

This is an atheist man who was very anti-religious and extreme in his anti-religious views, but it's not a case of somebody thinking "I don't believe in God" and murdering several people in the name of this non-existent God. This is an example of a person who obviously has a lot of issues with religion and extreme views about religious people.

Extremist christians or muslims very rarely have logic basis for what they do and their extremist views are very rarely 'actually' based on the books they tout.

So by that logic, they are muslims who also happen to be extremely anti-western, but not extremist muslims.

Sorry but someone who hates the idea of a god so much that they would kill because of it is an extremist atheist. It's understandable wanting to save face for atheists but, I mean, no one said he represents all atheist. The semantics of this aren't going to agree with you because once you add the word extremist in front of anything, it changes the meaning of the word that follows it.

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Awful. RIP. :(

[Bebe 17,289]

Extremist christians or muslims very rarely have logic basis for what they do and their extremist views are very rarely 'actually' based on the books they tout.

So by that logic, they are muslims who also happen to be extremely anti-western, but not extremist muslims.

Sorry but someone who hates the idea of a god so much that they would kill because of it is an extremist atheist. It's understandable wanting to save face for atheists but, I mean, no one said he represents all atheist. The semantics of this aren't going to agree with you because once you add the word extremist in front of anything, it changes the meaning of the word that follows it.

 

The idea that someone is an atheist and therefore hates religious people just doesn't follow. There is no link at all.

When you say "extremist atheist" it implies that it is this persons atheism that fueled his hatred for religion and religious people, I don't think it is possible to make the logical leap from "I don't believe in God" to "therefore I hate religion and religious people."

I think it's far more likely that his deep hatred for religion and religious people is what fueled his atheism. It's far more logical to assume the position of "I hate religion and religious people and therefore I'm not going to subscribe to any religious beliefs".

I'm not going to go into a conversation about how logical religious extremists are, I think we both agree that their extremism is illogical, but it's still true that it is their religious beliefs and their interpretation of their religion that are influencing their actions and extremism.

 

An extreme Christian reads Leviticus, sees the passage that homos-xuals are an abomination and interprets it as a message from God that gay people should be stoned. Whether their interpretation of this biblical passage is truly based on how the bible should be read is irrelevant. Their motivation and extremism is inseparable from their religious beliefs. The religious beliefs this person has, whether or not it is the 'correct' interpretation of their religion, is still a form of Christianity and their beliefs are rooted in this form of Christianity.

 

This man has extreme anti-religious views that motivated him to reject any religious beliefs and dogma and eventually led him to commit this atrocity. It's not comparable to religious extremism because in this instance it isn't an extreme interpretation of "Not believing in God" that led to his actions, it is a hatred and fear of religion/religious people that is likely what led him to atheism and is what ultimately led him to shoot three muslim students.

 

anti religious views =/= atheism or "atheistic belief" in any form. 

religious extremism = an interpretation and belief rooted in their interpretation of their religion.

 

[RAMROD 117,032]

Really sad, and why the fck doesn't more news cover this?!!

Need jsutice tbh.

This is about life lost!!

[christinahoney 383]

I can't @ a certain someone in this topic trying to defend extreme atheists.  They are no better than extreme theists.

[Bebe 17,289]

I can't @ a certain someone in this topic trying to defend extreme atheists.  They are no better than extreme theists.

Babe, I don't do shady sub-replies. If you disagree with something I have said, then have the courage to actually quote me.

I'm not defending any form of extremism. I haven't defended the actions of this man at all, it is deplorable what he did and I said he was extreme in his anti-religious views   

I'm just making the point that you can't be extreme in a lack of belief in God. His actions where based on extreme hatred for religion and religious people and his extreme hatred for religion/religious people is also probably why he is atheist. He doesn't hate religion/religious people because he doesn't believe in God. That simply doesn't make sense.

I'm saying these crimes were perpetrated because this man has an extreme hatred towards religion and religious people. You seem to be saying that these crimes were perpetrated because of an "extreme" lack of belief in a God, which is frankly ludicrous.

[uo111 5,282]

anti religious views =/= atheism or "atheistic belief" in any form. 

religious extremism = an interpretation and belief rooted in their interpretation of their religion.

 

Atheist wouldn't be calling themselves atheist if there was no religion.

 

Someone who simply doesn't believe in God doesn't post atheist things on their facebook. Only people who are atheist because of religion would do that. It's silly to imply that atheism and anti-religion are different concepts because atheism literally was born out of disdain for religion. Otherwise, the concept simply would not exist.

 

I fully understand why you think you need a book to be touting to be extremist but, you really don't. Any ideology can be extremist including one that just thinks religious people are wrong.

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IS THIS BEING COVERED AT ALL???

[garnite 8]

It's silly to imply that atheism and anti-religion are different concepts because atheism literally was born out of disdain for religion. Otherwise, the concept simply would not exist.

this is really wrong. there's no logic to it at all. is not believing in santa born out of disdain for santa, or like, do you just not believe in santa because you don't think he's real? the concept exists only because the contrary exists, yes. that's it. that's far as you can take this discussion. that has nothing to do with disdain for anything. disagreement is not disdain. not holding beliefs is not disdain. not believing in something is not the same as being anti something. there are atheists who are pro religion and wish they did believe.