SpaceAce 1,058 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I will say that the d--g/depression thing was meant to showcase as proof of her general inconsistency rather than something she could control. It shows her lack of control, or anyone's lack of control in the situation and that it acted in ways to cause her fluctuations in plans. I don't know. That's a pretty harmful way to look at addiction. Drug addiction isn't just bad behaviour or a lack of willpower - it can stem from traumatic experiences, a genetic predisposition, mental illness and other factors that are environmental or social. None of us know what goes on in her life or the things she has or has had to deal with. Someone with an addiction can have a very poor self-esteem and self worth and that may make it hard for them to resist the temptation to use. And quite often, it takes much more than willpower to overcome addiction. Some people need interventions like cognitive behavioural therapy, medication, family support, and motivational therapy. It seems like Gaga is investing in this and is really trying to stay happy. She has spoken out about not being ashamed to take d--gs for her mental health and she's obviously on a health kick now that she has hired a personal trainer. So addiction really isn't a choice or a lack of willpower and I can't fault her for struggling with things that really aren't in her full control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I don't know. That's a pretty harmful way to look at addiction. Drug addiction isn't just bad behaviour or a lack of willpower - it can stem from traumatic experiences, a genetic predisposition, mental illness and other factors that are environmental or social. None of us know what goes on in her life or the things she has or has had to deal with. Someone with an addiction can have a very poor self-esteem and self worth and that may make it hard for them to resist the temptation to use. And quite often, it takes much more than willpower to overcome addiction. Some people need interventions like cognitive behavioural therapy, medication, family support, and motivational therapy. It seems like Gaga is investing in this and is really trying to stay happy. She has spoken out about not being ashamed to take d--gs for her mental health and she's obviously on a health kick now that she has hired a personal trainer. So addiction really isn't a choice or a lack of willpower and I can't fault her for struggling with things that really aren't in her full control. But I literally said that the d--g addiction and depression was something she could not control. What I was saying is that the two things probably fuel the inconsistencies in her life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceAce 1,058 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 But I literally said that the d--g addiction and depression was something she could not control. What I was saying is that the two things probably fuel the inconsistencies in her life. God I'm really tired. Sorry for my stupidity. I get really defensive on this subject, obviously. I'm still thinking about your original comment where everything was lumped in one and seemed like a general criticism of her character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 109,632 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Ya, Bad Kids had the most fun. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ dancin' until i'm dead (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 You are definitely no buffoon. What a bright perspective! What's wrong with being a little positive? Fading... the limelight is not a good measure of quality music. This is the same site that complains about mainstream basic music. Gaga goes out of her way to be unique and faar from basic and I respect her drive as an artist. Going out of her way to be unique and far from basic is not a good measure of quality music as well. But I respect her drive as an artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Its really not about "blind" positivity. Its about choices. Everybody on this board, including myself, can find things to critique Gaga about. The internet is full of "critiques." Gaga gets critiqued from every corner every day. Every single place you go to look at Gaga photo's, or Gaga videos, or music, or Gaga articles, inevitably has loads of "critiques" underneath. I use "critiques" in quotes because much of it is just hater nonsense and pop stan crap. Some of us then, intentionally choose to concentrate on the positive, on this, a Gaga fan site. It doesn't mean myself and others don't have critiques, it's that we choose not to just add to the pile. Most critique on this board is not "constructive" no matter how much people try to claim it is. And in order for it to be constructive, the person that is targeted would have to actually read it with intent to learn from it. I highly doubt that Gaga reads Gagadaily in order to get pointers on her art and career. There are too many differing opinions, who would she listen to? We all like different aspects of her work to this point. We aren't "unbalanced" in any way if we choose to only share one side of the story. But I personally think it would be nice for GGD to be a relative oasis in amongst all the rest of internet crap that targets Gaga, and so I choose to add only (ok, mostly) my positive view points. it is possible to make the choice to concentrate on what you like about an artist, and just let the other stuff go. Looking for the positive tends to make life more enjoyable. Time is short, why waste it reinforcing negative stuff in your mind? Maybe sometimes I sound "preachy", but only because I really believe that. You have the power to change the way you approach Gaga and other artists. You choose whether to celebrate the good or wallow in the bad. It's a guaranteed "lost cause" to hope for an overwhelmingly positive GGD where even Gaga might be able to find a bit of sanctuary; just look at the page counts of threads complaining about something to the page counts of positive threads. But we can certainly try to skew it a little bit. It's not intellectually dishonest or unrealistic. It's choosing to try, at least in one little place and one little way, to make a Gaga fan site somewhere that people can appreciate what she brings to the table more than complain about what she isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 6,632 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Going out of her way to be unique and far from basic is not a good measure of quality music as well. But I respect her drive as an artist. The thing is, one's idea about quality is subjective. It can vary depending on one's tastes or standards. Do your own research. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Also, I believe no-one who says this isn't blind praise. That's just blind validation to blind praise and nobody's going to take the immense amount of time and fluency to combat your intangible irrationality. That's why I hate these topics. Positive, blind followers take the higher moral ground so everyone else looks less educated or appreciative. Then of course that isn't the case because they say so and there's no way to disprove it. It sickens me more than people who hate her work. It's not positivity, it's complex negativity and borderline egoidm disguised with positive arguments. The thing is, one's idea about quality is subjective. It can vary depending on one's tastes or standards. That is true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 i dont think that they are trying tosay you cant have an opinion. i think theyre just saying you should respect the different directions she goes in (since she is always changing her sound) and appreciate the ones that you like. sometimes it takes an effort to look into the words. Jjang most certainly has read this thread in a different position as you have. To put you into their shoes, you may feel the pressure to not voice your opinion on the works that you do not like, because you are asked to appreciate only the ones you like. I'm just speculating Jjang's position, and I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Nobody here who appreciates Gaga as an artist wants her to release basic pop music written and produced entirely by separate people for the sole purpose being able to sell more. They way she bounced back to work on the GUY video (and make it with her own money), despite knowing that the single wouldn't do well, says so much good about her character. We appreciate it if she writes and produces music with separate people (i.e. not entirely alone) to: 1) express herself artistically, 2) and sell more. And also, poor decision making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I do not think this will be something that lasts that much longer. I don't think Katy is going to have that much longer of a career like Gaga. Here is why: -Katy Perry has literally done THE SAME style of music since the beginning of her pop career. She has shown absolutely no sign of changing or evolving, and infact, has critically digressed on a level that is embarassing. I call it the Benjamin Button effect. She has become more stereotypical and obvious each album, despite her promises to get more serious on each album. It works for everyone who has a good catchy hit for a few albums, but eventually they get wallowed down in the context of their own sound and it becomes passe. Music will naturally evolve on without her tbh. Unless her next album she takes a huge risk (which I doubt she will) and writes something new or re-creates her image, the Katy Perry image will be cemented in what it is and people will want something different after they realize they aren't gonna get it from her. -Gaga, on the other hand takes risks. Real legitimate risks. And I'm not talking about her art. (The GP doesn't care). I'm talking about her musical style. And honestly, anyone who has lasted more than a decade took a risk at one point, and if they fought hard enough after one, two, even three failed albums, they bounce back with an album that happens to work even better than a typical popular album because the album is good AND representative of what people happen to want to hear. Quite a funny post! Gaga takes risk but the results are still pretty basic. Have a look at the video below, and tell me Katy's career won't last. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYY8UkDg5bs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 A forum is a place for constant dialogue, nobody is going to cut you off and the thread isn’t going anywhere if you don’t want it too. Does thread-locking ring a bell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Not you wanting her to crap out basic music every year and not take her time making quality music while keeping her integrity. And she's fading? Yea okay, just cause she's not as big as in 2010 doesn't mean she's fading. Everyone reaches some top or threshold, you can't expect someone to stay up at the top so high forever. so subjective … but is crapping out basic music every 1.5 - 2.5 years any better? :haha: and your explanation of her fading away to your statement of her not fading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,123 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Gaga takes risk but the results are still pretty basic. Nah, she has a long, healthy discography of great pop songs that don't really sound like anything else in contemporary pop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Those are my favorites too & the messy Alejando & TEOG everybody wants: TELEPHONE 2.0 & BAD ROMANCE 2.0, and i don't even know what that mean, the same **** with another lyric? i mean, i hate when some artists always do & sound exactly the same, and that is one of the best part of Gagz, you can relate to different styles & you can go to different songs depending on your mood, her versatility is something refreshing that not everybody is aware of it, they just want a catchy pop song & outrageous outfits & that is so sad “Well, then why should we do anything more than once? Should I just smoke this one cigarette? Maybe we should only have s-x once, if it's the same thing. Should we just watch one sunset? Or live just one day? Because it's new every time. Each time is a different experience.†― Jane Margolis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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