Enigmatica 0 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You know that Christians never liked to be ruled by anyone, except themselves, that is a fact. Both Greeks and Serbs have their own version of history which doesn't always match with other European historians and orientalists. Ottomans conquered the Balkans and preserved many century old churches and in 500 years they could forcibly convert them all to Islam, but they didn't. Majority stayed in same religion. Ottomans ruled over 500 years tho, I agree that they did many wrong things in last century of their rule. But they brought so many good things too, like food. :) Erm albanians had food even before turkish rule. Also I'd rather have had an albanian state during those 500 years, where our culure could flourish and evolve, just like most european countries had. At least we can agree that serbian rule makes turkish rule look like a paradise P.S I appreciate your support for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Erm albanians had food even before turkish rule. Also I'd rather have had an albanian state during those 500 years, where our culure could flourish and evolve, just like most european countries had. At least we can agree that serbian rule makes turkish rule look like a paradise Yes, but so many of your (and whole Balkan) cuisine and words you use originate from Ottomans, because they ruled even parts of Asia and Arabia so all that mixture is so nice and rich imo. Also the architecture is beautiful. Serbian language has so many Turkish words, it's funny, because they hate them so much. Yeah, Albanians suffered under Serbs more. Anyway, my point was not to praise them, but just to show that Europeans got introduced to Islam long time ago and milions of Muslims in Bosnia, Albania, part of Serbia, Greece etc are evidence that there is no reason to create and promote this type of fear and threat from Muslims in general. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Enigmatica 0 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Of course europeans shouldn't fear Muslims since they are normal people just like them, but as long as groups like ISIS, Boko Haram etc exist, muslims are gonna suffer ( just like other religous groups) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaMaisonGaga 23,884 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Angela Merkel will put these delusional ****s to ground. lamaisongaga.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teo 609 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You know that Christians never liked to be ruled by anyone, except themselves, that is a fact. Both Greeks and Serbs have their own version of history which doesn't always match with other European historians and orientalists. Ottomans conquered the Balkans and preserved many century old churches and in 500 years they could forcibly convert them all to Islam, but they didn't. Majority stayed in same religion. Ottomans ruled over 500 years tho, I agree that they did many wrong things in last century of their rule. But they brought so many good things too, like food. :) I don't know where are you from but you're not very educated on the subject. I'm not really sure who came up with this myth of how tolerant the Ottoman rule was in the Balkans. Sure they preserved some churches but many others were demolished. Christians didn't have the same rights as the muslims. There is not one case of an ottoman that was imprisoned for killing or raping a christian, cause it wasn't illegal. Minorities were considered subhumans. In my country alone there were whole villages wiped of existence, there were mass murders of christians. You can read about it on wikipedia even, there's no need to be a historian or orientalist. I'm not trying to say their rule was the most horrible in human history, cause it wasn't. But keep in mind all the atrocities they committed, before saying how great they were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByeBye49 161 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 This thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miley 5,006 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Is there really an image to ruin? Imo this fits perfectly with the image of Islam. Admin sis why even say something like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I don't know where are you from but you're not very educated on the subject. I'm not really sure who came up with this myth of how tolerant the Ottoman rule was in the Balkans. Sure they preserved some churches but many others were demolished. Christians didn't have the same rights as the muslims. There is not one case of an ottoman that was imprisoned for killing or raping a christian, cause it wasn't illegal. Minorities were considered subhumans. In my country alone there were whole villages wiped of existence, there were mass murders of christians. You can read about it on wikipedia even, there's no need to be a historian or orientalist. I'm not trying to say their rule was the most horrible in human history, cause it wasn't. But keep in mind all the atrocities they committed, before saying how great they were. Well Bulgarians have similar version of their history as Serbs do. They have many myths too, like stories of heroes which never existed. It's all about who you choose to believe more and who actually has documents to prove what happened. My post was not focused on how great they were, although if you look at Medieval Europe, life under Muslim rule was much more tolerant for Christians and Jews, like in Islamic Spain; than it was under Christian rule for Jews or any non-Christian. The point was that, as I said many times, that Muslims in Europe have long history and their culture and living among their neighbours till this present day is evidence that it's ridiculous to spread hate and fear in a manner like "IS will now show Europeans what Islam really is", you get it? Like people from some certain country in ME are trying to do, only to get more support from Europe for their evildoings. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole Richie 6 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Is there really an image to ruin? Imo this fits perfectly with the image of Islam. Ñ Ñ†Ññõ цÑÿõÑ€ ÑÑˆÑ‡Ñ ñþûьш ûÑŽñûÑŽ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsn 1,669 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Is there really an image to ruin? Imo this fits perfectly with the image of Islam. Comparing small terrorist groups to all of Islam is like saying all Christians are neo-nazis or all Christians are like Westboro Baptist Church so messed up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 wow kirill getting smashed here I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars 2,650 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Comparing small terrorist groups to all of Islam is like saying all Christians are neo-nazis or all Christians are like Westboro Baptist Church so messed up Exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee 1,790 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 This is really quite terrifying when you think about it. Doubt they would ever gain enough force to actually conquer anything though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope 2,030 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Is there really an image to ruin? Imo this fits perfectly with the image of Islam. You should add warning points to yourself. My family is Muslim and I find this offensive... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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