Xgongiviguess 396 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Is there really an image to ruin? Imo this fits perfectly with the image of Islam. It does not, Islam doesn't approve of this, it doesn't encourage murder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Now I'm not against any religion, but can you stop coming for people that don't like Islam. I don't see any of you calling out christianophobia on other threads. I'm not sure why some of you are so sensitive when it comes to muslims. If it's your white guilt syndrome keep in mind that not liking a religious movement doesn't make you "racist", since muslim is definitely not a race. That's actually a much bigger threat to Western civilization than ISIS. Those leftists who always side against their own people and culture. They used to make excuses for Soviet Communism, now they do it for radical Islam. Muslims shape Islam, there is no such thing as an "Islam" that exists by itself. And therefore there are as many versions of Islam as there are Muslims. That is the only correct way to look at a religious movement. To choose to interpret a violent and political Islam as more legitimate or accurate than a peaceful one exposes you as someone who actively seeks to manipulate the truth. This is true. The point also works against those who insist "real Islam" is good and peaceful while writing off extremists as individual crazies etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Now I'm not against any religion, but can you stop coming for people that don't like Islam. I don't see any of you calling out christianophobia on other threads. I'm not sure why some of you are so sensitive when it comes to muslims. If it's your white guilt syndrome keep in mind that not liking a religious movement doesn't make you "racist", since muslim is definitely not a race. yep, when it comes to islam people feel the desperate need to prove that they are not racist and it's time to begin stroking their tolerance boners. and the word salad comes out, all these hoops introduced to step for step try and save poor victimised islam from criticism. it's dull and played out at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 European majority was never Muslim. I don't see how what you replied contrary what I've said. and I'd appreciate it if you would stop naming me as if I ever killed someone, Osama. Who said I spoke about you, but it's interesting that you recognized yourself in that. ;) I have never had ideology similar to Osama, you on the other hand...well, some of your posts say a lot. You might want to read Breivik's manifesto. You said ''Islam is dangerous and Europe will be facing it soon'', as if Europe and Europeans have never been in touch with Islam or Muslims, when Europe has long history and experience with Islam. This is what happens when you don't know history and spit here your country's propaganda. Ottoman Empire and Caliphate of Cordoba were huge and they lasted for centuries. Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain coincided with the Middle Ages in Europe, a period of Muslim rule throughout much of the Iberian Peninsula. During waves of persecution in Medieval Europe, many Jews found refuge in Muslim lands. Jews expelled from the Iberian Peninsula were invited to settle in various parts of the Ottoman Empire. Jewish integration allowed Jews to make great advances in new fields, such as mathematics, astronomy, philosophy, chemistry and philology.[10] Jewish people also experienced political achievements under Islamic rule.[9]:55 Jews under Islam pursued many economic endeavors that helped integrate them into the Arab marketplace.[9]:58 During early Islam, Leon Poliakov writes, Jews enjoyed great privileges, and their communities prospered. There was no legislation or social barriers preventing them from conducting commercial activities. Commercial and craft guilds did not exist like the ones in Europe. Jewish people under Islamic Rule were no longer excluded from any specific profession and this helped lessen their negative stigma.[9]:58 Many Jews migrated to areas newly conquered by Muslims and established communities there. The vizier of Baghdad entrusted his capital with Jewish bankers. The Jews were put in charge of certain parts of maritime and slave trade. Siraf, the principal port of the caliphate in the 10th century, had a Jewish governor.[11] Historian Mark R. Cohen writes that conclusions about Jewish life under Islamic rule can only be derived through a comparative approach. Jews of Islam experienced less physical violence than Jews under Western Christendom.[9]:58 Cohen believes a reason for this may be that Islam, unlike Christianity, did not need to establish a separate identity from Judaism.[9]:58 He also states that Jewish people were less threatening to Muslims than Christians during the Middle Ages.[9]:58 Isolated events of persecution did occur but this does not change the fact that Jewish people were treated adequately.[9]:59 Cohen also notes that many people have used the myth that Jews were mistreated under Muslim rule to bolster their political standpoints in response to propaganda.[9]:56 The Ottoman Empire had served as a refuge for Spanish Jews who had been expelled from the Kingdom of Spain and its territories and possessions, especially after the fall of Muslim Spain in 1492 and Edict of Expulsion. This was also the case for the Maghreb in North Africa, where a Jewish quarter (Mellah), was installed in most large Arabian cities. Later the Jewish converts were driven out of Spain fleeing the Roman Catholic Inquisition. Short history lesson for you. If Islam would be as dangerous as you claim, we would see same type of groups in the past when people were even more religious, majority of Muslims would behave the same, but that is false. Bosnian Muslims fought against Serbs and Croats without any suicide bombings and terrorist actions from '92 to '95. Many Bosnian Muslims hid their Jewish neighbours during WWII. Your attempt to scare Europeans is ridiculous. Europe always been more Christian/Jewish When did Jews rule Europe? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigmatica 0 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 The Jews were put in charge of certain parts of maritime and slave trade There is no denying that arabic/islamic civilisation shat all over the european one during the medieval times. But are you seriously bringing the trash called Ottoman Empire into this discussion? They have been atacking Europe 24/7 from 14 to 17 centuries and were stuck in the Middle ages until 1922! No wonder the Balkans is still ****ed up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny 12,753 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Saying this again 21st century and we are fighting over religion I like dancin', and ponies.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigmatica 0 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Saying this again 21st century and we are fighting over religion !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Who said I spoke about you, but it's interesting that you recognized yourself in that. ;)I have never had ideology similar to Osama, you on the other hand...well, some of your posts say a lot. You might want to read Breivik's manifesto.You said ''Islam is dangerous and Europe will be facing it soon'', as if Europe and Europeans have never been in touch with Islam or Muslims, when Europe has long history and experience with Islam.This is what happens when you don't know history and spit here your country's propaganda. Ottoman Empire and Caliphate of Cordoba were huge and they lasted for centuries. Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain coincided with the Middle Ages in Europe, a period of Muslim rule throughout much of the Iberian Peninsula. During waves of persecution in Medieval Europe, many Jews found refuge in Muslim lands. Jews expelled from the Iberian Peninsula were invited to settle in various parts of the Ottoman Empire.Short history lesson for you. If Islam would be as dangerous as you claim, we would see same type of groups in the past, majority of Muslims would behave the same, but that is false. Bosnian Muslims fought against Serbs and Croats without any suicide bombings and terrorist actions from '92 to '95.Your attempt to scare Europeans is ridiculous.When did Jews rule Europe? It has nothing to do with ruling, but more with impact on culture. Germany for example is highly Jewish influenced. We had one of the biggest Jewish population before WW2. Plus Judaism is imo much closer to Christianity than Islam. I'm not against Islam in Europe though. Europe is getting more atheist anyway. But extremist Moslems as well as extremist in every kind can be send to the moon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 There is no denying that arabic/islamic civilisation shat all over the european one during the medieval times. But are you seriously bringing the trash called Ottoman Empire into this discussion? They have been atacking Europe 24/7 from 14 to 17 centuries and were stuck in the Middle ages until 1922! No wonder the Balkans is still ****ed up You don't know **** about Arabic Medieval Civilisation. This was the Golden Age in Europe for both Muslims and Jews, while Christians still believed not taking a bath makes you more pious. You're Albanian who converted from islam or atheism to christianity with Enver Hoxha syndrom, blaming everything on the Ottomans. The reason why Albania is backward is Hoxha, not the Ottomans. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 It has nothing to do with ruling, but more with impact on culture. Germany for example is highly Jewish influenced. We had one of the biggest Jewish population before WW2. Plus Judaism is imo much closer to Christianity than Islam. I'm not against Islam in Europe though. Europe is getting more atheist anyway. But extremist Moslems as well as extremist in every kind can be send to the moon Yeah Germany has Jewish influence, but Spain and Balkans have Muslim (Arabic/Turkish) influence on language, architecture, food, culture etc. Europe has experience with Muslim rule, and for a long time it was fine. Islam is not unknown to Europeans and it's not "arriving just now with IS". I agree with last sentence. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 You don't know **** about Arabic Medieval Civilisation. This was the Golden Age in Europe for both Muslims and Jews, while Christians still believed not taking a bath makes you more pious. You're Albanian who converted from islam or atheism to christianity with Enver Hoxha syndrom, blaming everything on the Ottomans. The reason why Albania is backward is Hoxha, not the Ottomans. My Greek friends always blame the Ottoman Empire as well though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Yeah Germany has Jewish influence, but Spain and Balkans have Muslim (Arabic/Turkish) influence on language, architecture, food, culture etc. Europe has experience with Muslim rule, and for a long time it was fine. Islam is not unknown to Europeans and it's not "arriving just now with IS". I agree with last sentence. Oh now I get what you mean. I've been in Toledo,Spain and Christians,Moslems, and Jews lived peacefully next to each other back then. I'm so happy that jewish Culture is growing in Germany again. We are becoming the big toledo :derpga: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigmatica 0 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You don't know **** about Arabic Medieval Civilisation. This was the Golden Age in Europe for both Muslims and Jews, while Christians still believed not taking a bath makes you more pious. You're Albanian who converted from islam or atheism to christianity with Enver Hoxha syndrom, blaming everything on the Ottomans. The reason why Albania is backward is Hoxha, not the Ottomans. Gurl I am not attacking Islam or any other religion but for goddness sake stop giving me lessons on albanian civilisation. There was no ****ing albanian school during Ottoman times while turkish,serbian, greek and bulgarian schools were allowed to operate! Thanks to ottoman rule most albanian territories were given to neighbouring countries! Thanks to them Albania was a backward country from 1912-1939. As much as I despise Hoxha, he was a blessing for Albania, while communist rule in Kosovo built schools, factories, even an University in albanian and saved them from assimilation . Hoxha did the same in Albania, so stop pretending as if the ottoman ****hole helped us at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 My Greek friends always blame the Ottoman Empire as well though. You know that Christians never liked to be ruled by anyone, except themselves, that is a fact. Both Greeks and Serbs have their own version of history which doesn't always match with other European historians and orientalists. Ottomans conquered the Balkans and preserved many century old churches and in 500 years they could forcibly convert them all to Islam, but they didn't. Majority stayed in same religion.Gurl I am not attacking Islam or any other religion but for goddness sake stop giving me lessons on albanian civilisation. There was no ****ing albanian school during Ottoman times while turkish,serbian, greek and bulgarian schools were allowed to operate! Thanks to ottoman rule most albanian territories were given to neighbouring countries! Thanks to them Albania was a backward country from 1912-1939. As much as I despise Hoxha, he was a blessing for Albania, while communist rule in Kosovo built schools, factories, even an University in albanian and saved them from assimilation . Hoxha did the same in Albania, so stop pretending as if the ottoman ****hole helped us at all Ottomans ruled over 500 years tho, I agree that they did many wrong things in last century of their rule. But they brought so many good things too, like food. :) FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars 2,650 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 um did you really just say that? that really makes all of GGD mods look terrible i can't believe you just said that This Is there really an image to ruin? Imo this fits perfectly with the image of Islam. There are millions of Muslims who do not tolerate what ISIS are doing, there are thousands upon thousands fighting against them in their homelands. You're an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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