colours 128 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 thats a joke. Seems that way for a lot of things Gaga-related Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPokeHerFace 2,564 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Gaga's biggest downfall was thus: she peaked too early. She was this force... this monstrous whirlwind of creativity, drive, and genius. She literally took over the world. This. When Gaga hit the scene with TF and TFM, she was getting the type of success, attention, and praise that artists like Madonna, Beyonce, and (currently) Taylor Swift didn't receive until around 8-10 years into their careers. They built up to that point, whereas Gaga was immediately given that status. And once you're at the top, the only way you can go is down. But I think with C2C and the people she's working with now, she's steadied her career and is going to focus on longevity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaStefi 1,231 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 She's her own enemy because no one else can compete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannaeDrive 3,412 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 ......... k "Fame Is A Boomerang" - Maria Callas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunk96 2,526 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 She's working with Tony Bennett, Diane Warren, and Nile Rodgers. She's worked with other influential, iconic, and incredibly talented artists who've all given her countless amounts of praise. In addition to this, she's still one of the most talked about musicians and while ARTPOP didn't see success like her first albums, it still was overall a success. To look at what Gaga has accomplished and what she currently has going for her and interpret it as failing or Gaga being her own enemy is, in my opinion, too harsh. She should be extremely proud of herself, and we should recognize she's done more with her life and career in the last five years than any of the people posting here will do in the next twenty of their own. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Thank you so much for replying in a respective way and actually discussing your thoughts unlike others in this thread. I agree with you 100 percent and maybe saying gaga is her own enemy is too harsh but I do think everything happened too quickly however regardless it happened too quicjly, she'll always have her talent and people will still talk avout her. That being said, many artists face the same issue its just I noticed it in gaga too. People are going to expect her next jazz record to outdo cheek to cheek and if it doesnt then people will complain and say she will never top cheek to cheek in terms of jazz albums. I would agree that things happened too quickly. I think Gaga would agree too. I think the greatest problem is the expectation that the next has to be better, that she has to stay on top all the time. Personally, I believe it's OK if Gaga never TOPS her previous albums. It doesn't matter when your success comes along- what matters is that you made something great. Good music is timeless. The greatness of her past need not be trumped by the future, and the successes in her future shouldn't be downplayed just because they aren't as great as her past achievements. Where I think Gaga lost her advantage is in how the industry both limits her and gives her a ton of resources. Being a young girl in NYC making her music and bringing her art to the stage, she had these limitless possibilities for ideas and set out to change how people viewed a Pop Star. She succeeded, but I think also got exhausted trying to maintain that in an industry that doesn't truly support creativity or breaking out of the mold. Also, when you are limited with what you can do, you make the most out of what you have. Having access to more resources and funds is good because it makes for more possibilities, but doesn't necessarily encourage someone to make the MOST out of each thing they can now obtain. (I hope that makes sense....) Ultimately, I think the way Gaga blew up must have been terribly overwhelming. You go from gluing mirrors onto bras in a dirty, unfurnished apartment with nothing but big dreams and musical talent to selling out arenas and making millions of dollars with an entire team of people there ready to help you make whatever you want. It'd be shocking. Hell, I don't even like the new Sims games because there are too many options and I find it overwhelming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Every artist is their own enemy. (I 'm not sure if I wrote it correctly.. oh well.. )You wrote it correctly. :) And I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegahedron 190 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
high heeled fem 3 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Tbh I like her 2013 vma performance more than the 2009 one both ****ing kick ass i watched 2013 other day it was amazing but it made me realised she achieved some much so fast i mean all those era's could have been a 10 year look back for eg yeah she did so much look at mdna and other artists huge tours in late 80s... she did like 50 tour dates max when started out, gaga has been worked into the ground in such a short time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Tbh I like her 2013 vma performance more than the 2009 one Same Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByeBye49 161 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 She's working with Tony Bennett, Diane Warren, and Nile Rodgers. She's worked with other influential, iconic, and incredibly talented artists who've all given her countless amounts of praise. In addition to this, she's still one of the most talked about musicians and while ARTPOP didn't see success like her first albums, it still was overall a success. To look at what Gaga has accomplished and what she currently has going for her and interpret it as failing or Gaga being her own enemy is, in my opinion, too harsh. She should be extremely proud of herself, and we should recognize she's done more with her life and career in the last five years than any of the people posting here will do in the next twenty of their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 She's working with Tony Bennett, Diane Warren, and Nile Rodgers. She's worked with other influential, iconic, and incredibly talented artists who've all given her countless amounts of praise. In addition to this, she's still one of the most talked about musicians and while ARTPOP didn't see success like her first albums, it still was overall a success. To look at what Gaga has accomplished and what she currently has going for her and interpret it as failing or Gaga being her own enemy is, in my opinion, too harsh. She should be extremely proud of herself, and we should recognize she's done more with her life and career in the last five years than any of the people posting here will do in the next twenty of their own. This. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 too many good points for me to quote, so ill just say this: gaga should, if anything, learn to trust herself. just because she churned out explosive performances and moments one after the other doesnt mean shes jinxed now because of it, if it was in her once she can do it again, i have complete faith in that. in fact, its not really faith just fact. so i dont think gaga is her own worst enemy, it was her initial idea to do aura the way of the demo version, the much better version that 99% of this fanbase prefers, it was her idea to create an app and visual album with ARTPOP and completely create this multimedia universe surrounding her fan base, and so on. these where her original ideas that along the way where whistle blowed or toyed with, or whatever we wont know what exactly went on behind closed doors. i feel like what made the 2009 vma performance so pivotal for her career and why it stuck with so many people was because it was self depricating, a commentary on fame, and she was new. but not everything she does has to revolve around fame and money and the demise of the star. from a vocal and musical perspective, the 2011 and 2013 performances are much better technically, but because she wasnt hanging herself dry for the world to see people didnt view it as shocking. idk im rambling.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHGUY 230 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 I'm happy Gaga crammed all that success in 3 years... It truly was an amazing 3 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 too many good points for me to quote, so ill just say this: gaga should, if anything, learn to trust herself. just because she churned out explosive performances and moments one after the other doesnt mean shes jinxed now because of it, if it was in her once she can do it again, i have complete faith in that. in fact, its not really faith just fact. so i dont think gaga is her own worst enemy, it was her initial idea to do aura the way of the demo version, the much better version that 99% of this fanbase prefers, it was her idea to create an app and visual album with ARTPOP and completely create this multimedia universe surrounding her fan base, and so on. these where her original ideas that along the way where whistle blowed or toyed with, or whatever we wont know what exactly went on behind closed doors. i feel like what made the 2009 vma performance so pivotal for her career and why it stuck with so many people was because it was self depricating, a commentary on fame, and she was new. but not everything she does has to revolve around fame and money and the demise of the star. from a vocal and musical perspective, the 2011 and 2013 performances are much better technically, but because she wasnt hanging herself dry for the world to see people didnt view it as shocking. idk im rambling.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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