Ayo 300 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
migamiga 12,101 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I didn't finish reading but I disagree. She can't help whenever a creative idea comes up her. She can plan it out be like "oh let me save this for later so they're spread out". A career in this business is never guaranteed. You could be on top one day and gone tomorrow. So with that being said, she should give every idea as if it were her last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan Heart 7,382 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Every artist is their own enemy. (I 'm not sure if I wrote it correctly.. oh well.. ) They say it's the last song. They don't know us, you see. It's only the last song if we let it be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebe 158 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Thank you so much for replying in a respective way and actually discussing your thoughts unlike others in this thread. I agree with you 100 percent and maybe saying gaga is her own enemy is too harsh but I do think everything happened too quickly however regardless it happened too quicjly, she'll always have her talent and people will still talk avout her. That being said, many artists face the same issue its just I noticed it in gaga too. People are going to expect her next jazz record to outdo cheek to cheek and if it doesnt then people will complain and say she will never top cheek to cheek in terms of jazz albums. So would you rather have Gaga one amazing performance and then a few medicore ones, and then another amazing performance and so on? Why not have an amazing performance after an amazing performance? Gaga CAN do it, she's very creative, she just needs to get her **** together. The woman doesn't need much to give us greatness. Give her a piano and she will blow you away. And we all know what she can do with a huge stage and multiple props and dancers. Also, your perspective would be completely different if ARTPOP would have seen the success of TFM or even BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Computer 10,973 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I agree that her career is frontloaded with impact and success. Partly I think that's when her biggest ambitions were unleashed and she did everything to win over the public. I think she takes more risks now with more emphasis on being true to whatever vision she has than with building her empire of success and power. But partly it's the natural trajectory for an artist that was new and is now established. She still does interesting performances at a fast pace, the media coverage is just less enthusiastic because she's not news, she's known. I think she's going to enter a really good phase of being known and appreciated but still very exciting. Especially now that the overexposure backlash which unfortunately coincided with ARTPOP, will have subsided. 💚💛💕❣⭕💢💢 | ⓜⓔⓡⓡⓨ ©ⓗⓡⓘⓢⓣⓜⓐⓢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miley Ray Cyrus 26 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 kk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Primavera 13 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulorcraft 170 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 your saying that the best is behind her and that she's already created her best work. I dont believe this at all. You think a fire bra is the best that she can do. If anything we haven't seen nothing yet. The swine performance should have told you that. Do not underestimate her creativity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJeff 2 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 She's working with Tony Bennett, Diane Warren, and Nile Rodgers. She's worked with other influential, iconic, and incredibly talented artists who've all given her countless amounts of praise. In addition to this, she's still one of the most talked about musicians and while ARTPOP didn't see success like her first albums, it still was overall a success. To look at what Gaga has accomplished and what she currently has going for her and interpret it as failing or Gaga being her own enemy is, in my opinion, too harsh. She should be extremely proud of herself, and we should recognize she's done more with her life and career in the last five years than any of the people posting here will do in the next twenty of their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewkah 48 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Gaga's biggest downfall was thus: she peaked too early. She was this force... this monstrous whirlwind of creativity, drive, and genius. She literally took over the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGoneGaga 86 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I completely disagree. The people who I know who aren't all that into Gaga & the theatrics that come with her have been raving about Cheek to Cheek. A few of them actually think its her best work so far. There's a certain inherent validity and warmth given to music using real instrumentals as opposed to electronic ones. There's no denying her voice here because they didn't layer any crazy effects over it. Look at GUY (which I do enjoy) vs Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye. Both have softer vocals, but one showcases whereas the other filters. What makes her performances so alluring now is less about the theatrics, its about what she's been trying to do for the last 5 years...prove to people that she can actually sing (because the GP doesn't associate pop with good singers). If anything she's raising the bar for her next album. She's working with Tony Bennett, Diane Warren, and Nile Rodgers. She's worked with other influential, iconic, and incredibly talented artists who've all given her countless amounts of praise. In addition to this, she's still one of the most talked about musicians and while ARTPOP didn't see success like her first albums, it still was overall a success. To look at what Gaga has accomplished and what she currently has going for her and interpret it as failing or Gaga being her own enemy is, in my opinion, too harsh. She should be extremely proud of herself, and we should recognize she's done more with her life and career in the last five years than any of the people posting here will do in the next twenty of their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colours 128 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 The main issue is she didn't grow or evolve as an artist. She was a very creative mind when she was younger and it's quite obvious fame and money robbed her of it, and as much as I hate to sound like a broken record, it's true. It's almost insane how history repeats itself, in that sense. But you can just tell she's that type of woman and it's unfortunate that she is living this life now where she has to make all these claims about how all these different "legends" or celebrities are "saving her" from whatever it is she thinks she needs to be saved from. Of course you're going to have fans that are like "She's so much better now! She's grown so much and she is such a strong woman, you don't know what you're talking about!!" then a year or two down the road once Gaga herself admits how unstable she was, THEN it's ok for them to say so. That's cute and all but I've been here since the beginning so you don't know ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernier 3,786 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 A very interesting and fascenaten story :yes: Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOriginalOne 10,734 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 She's her own enemy because no one else can compete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 the OP doesn't even make sense. The problem with this fan base is that they claim they want her to be "creative" as long as it's exactly the same "creative" as during TF/M, which is basically not being creative at all it's just repeating a formula. Gaga is not her own worst enemy, she's trying new things and moving her creativity in new directions that are often times not understood by her fans. Her fans are the enemy for being stuck on a particular idea of what "creative" means. The main issue is she didn't grow or evolve as an artist. S thats a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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