J.Cole: Iggy, Macklemore, JT, Em "snatced the sound" of black music

[MahoganySnitch 67]

but we can't act like all races are equal and stuff, like there's so much inequality, like how can we say it's double standards to let black people sing typical white music and not let white people rap, when an abundance of young black men are being slaughtered by the police? you can't have this blatent inequality and then pretend everyone has the same privilege  

Especially when you have pundits like Rivera from Fox telling the Trayvons of the world to not wear hoodies to not look "thuggish." Interesting how the onus in on the Black youth to not "look like" a thug, and not on the society that continues to propagate it. 

 

Like WIlly said, there's a lot more at play here. 

[Pablo 7,380]

i can appreciate your perspective, but you have to realize there's a lot more to it than just that. there's a lot more racial politics that play into it that have fostered racial tension within certain music genres. this isn't an attack, but rather just a metaphor: i see your perspective as sort of focusing on the symptoms rather than the cause. yes, you can perceive the r&b/hip-hop/rap community as being exclusionary, but why might that be the case?

I agree. We've seen a lot in the US happen recently and it makes the tensions rise higher and higher.

 

I think people just use race as an excuse to call someone bad. 

[ALX 170]

also can I just say that I'm glad everyone is approaching this issue carefully and mostly respectful/open to others points of views

 

that's rare on here

[Pablo 7,380]

also can I just say that I'm glad everyone is approaching this issue carefully and mostly respectful/open to others points of views

 

that's rare on here

[Chromatislaps 34,759]

So White people just shouldnt make any music at all, black people invented every genre! 

This black culture appropriation thing exists since decades, maybe centuries and no popular genres is now the property of a so called culture. Boundaries are gone. Now we are in another logic that people seem to ignore on purpose or they are not aware of it: globalization and cultural standardization. Rap isnt an american thing now. 

« The domain of popular music illustrates how difficult it is to unravel cultural systems in the contemporary world: Is rock music a universal language? Do reggae and ska have the same meaning to young people everywhere? American-inspired hip-hop (rap) swept through Brazil, Britain, France, China, and Japan in the 1990s. Yet Japanese rappers developed their own, localized versions of this art form. Much of the music of hip-hop, grounded in urban African American experience, is defiantly antiestablishment, but the Japanese lyric content is decidedly mild, celebrating youthful solidarity and exuberance. Similar “translations†between form and content have occurred in the pop music of Indonesia, Mexico, and Korea. Even a casual listener of U.S. radio can hear the profound effects that Brazilian, South African, Indian, and Cuban forms have had on the contemporary American pop scene. An earlier example of splashbackâ€â€when a cultural innovation returns, somewhat transformed, to the place of its originâ€â€was the British Invasion of the American popular music market in the mid-1960s. Forged in the United States from blues and country music, rock and roll crossed the Atlantic in the 1950s to captivate a generation of young Britons who, forming bands such as the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, made the music their own, then reintroduced it to American audiences with tremendous success. The flow of popular culture is rarely, if ever, unidirectional. »

 

do you hear me say that? No. I just explained in a subliminal way, why some Afro american people feel attacked or discontent by people not native to their culture/genres, "stealing" away their culture....

[Dann 354]

Only Em is legend from that whatever it is tho. fack da rest

[Fish 6,086]

do you hear me say that? No. I just explained in a subliminal way, why some Afro american people feel attacked or discontent by people not native to their culture/genres, "stealing" away their culture....

I know, but with some people's logic, that should be their valid conclusion, which is erroneous. 

[Versace 7,897]

Black people don't own hip hop/rap just cause you're really good at it. Hip hop/rap were inspired  by previous genres. Music and all it's genres  have to be multi-cultural/racial in order to expand on diversity thus creating certain connections and evoking emotions with//from all audiences regardless of race, nationality, gender, age, religion ,s-xuality , wealth and personal beliefs. conclusion: Music should have no boundaries   

[Whispering 18,865]

So by saying this, you think what the lyricist is saying is possible, except the other way around? And what examples do you have of that? 

 

 

Charlie Pride, won countless Country Music awards, including three Grammy awards in Country categories. Inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame in 2000. He had twenty-nine #1 country songs.

 

Darius Rucker, won countless Country Music awards, including a Grammy for Best Country Solo Performance.

Inducted as a member of the Grand Ole Opry in 2012, Rucker has had five No. 1 hits and received the honor of Best New Artist at the Country Music Association Awards.

[Andreyw 4,285]

Music should liberate us. It should be for EVERYONE. 

[Willy Wonka 4]

Charlie Pride, won countless Country Music awards, including three Grammy awards in Country categories. Inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame in 2000. He had twenty-nine #1 country songs.

 

Darius Rucker, won countless Country Music awards, including a Grammy for Best Country Solo Performance.

Inducted as a member of the Grand Ole Opry in 2012, Rucker has had five No. 1 hits and received the honor of Best New Artist at the Country Music Association Awards.

Not to try to argue, but african-americans contributed HEAVILY to the creation of country music. Without the influence of african-americans, country music would probably not be what it is today.

[Whispering 18,865]

Not to try to argue, but african-americans contributed HEAVILY to the creation of country music. Without the influence of african-americans, country music would probably not be what it is today.

 

Only 2% of the listening audience in Country is made up of Black listeners.

 

Country music today remains the most homogeneous of all musical genres.

 

The OP asked for an example of the opposite occurring and I gave two examples. The are valid examples, in a genre that is more one-sided racially than any other popular music genre in the US.

[cometoogg 0]

Only 2% of the listening audience in Country is made up of Black listeners.

 

Country music today remains the most homogeneous of all musical genres.

 

The OP asked for an example of the opposite occurring and I gave two examples. The are valid examples, in a genre that is more one-sided racially than any other popular music genre in the US.

 

Not to try to argue, but african-americans contributed HEAVILY to the creation of country music. Without the influence of african-americans, country music would probably not be what it is today.

[Willy Wonka 4]

Only 2% of the listening audience in Country is made up of Black listeners.

 

Country music today remains the most homogeneous of all musical genres.

 

The OP asked for an example of the opposite occurring and I gave two examples. The are valid examples, in a genre that is more one-sided racially than any other popular music genre in the US.

Ah okay, I get your point now. The issue is that there's really no genre that has been created in America independent of heavy Black influence, but I would agree that Country music would be probably the closest we have to that.

 

I still see a lot of aspects in which the parallels between the two examples don't exist, but I see where you were coming from now.

[Whispering 18,865]

 

 

Once again, the OP asked for an example of black artists succeeding in a genre that is primarily occupied by a race outside of that. I gave two examples from a genre that has very few black artists and an extremely low percentage of black listeners.

 

I'm not making judgments on any issue here, just stating the example that I personally know of.

The lack of black artists does exist in country music. There are only a handful of black artists who have managed to have any kind of career in that genre.