EXCXSXE 0 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 The OP was changed last night to show only the mod disclaimer though so it doesn't have any bias or content at all Hooray! As it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Hooray! As it should be. I agree, I just don't understand the timing or logic of Noam's post Also; http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global-europe/european-parliament-vote-recognising-palestinian-state-310276 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I agree, I just don't understand the timing or logic of Noam's post Also; http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global-europe/european-parliament-vote-recognising-palestinian-state-310276 his logic was pretty good tho And if Europe recognise it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Europe will really want to recognize this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 his logic was pretty good tho And if Europe recognise it His logic was stated after the change to the OP and after about 4 other people had pointed out the biased OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Well, I tried. Would have been nice if you'd actually quoted me or acknowledged my whole post, but this is great too. Yes indeed, you tried. It was just easier to reply to part which I felt it needed a reply. You saw it yesterday anyway, you came back to check the thread, Please go back to our earlier discussions where you and many others quote all of my post but reply only to one point and ignore the rest. Hooray! As it should be. I already said in previous post There is a charity link in my signature and one in the end of first article in OP (now it's moved to 2nd post). So you knew that I edited it last night (Idk your timezone), why you act so surprised now? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 "Fear Effect: Arab Workers Being Fired Nationwide" - lead headline in Israel's best-selling Yedioth Ahronoth https://twitter.com/AmiKaufman/status/484297981047619584 Jerusalem posters call to ban Arab workers ‘Jews only employ Jews’ poster in Jerusalem, Nov 21, 2014 (Photo: Guy Butavia) Above the slogan in smaller letters, at the top of the Israeli flag-shaped poster, it reads: “Biblical law determines†and at the bottom it reads: “Did you know?! The terrorists that committed the massacre in Har Nof – were employed in the synagogue and its surroundings.†One of the attackers indeed was reported to have worked in a grocery store next to the synagogue. Whoever crafted the racist message grounded it in both religious scripture and practical empiricism. Another poster found in the same area reads: “Employed an Arab? You endangered a Jew!†“Employed an Arab? You endangered a Jew!’ Poster in Jerusalem (Photo: Guy Butavia) These messages echo the decision by the mayor of the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon a day earlier to ban Israeli Arab construction workers from jobs in and around schools in the name of security. The legality of his decision is in question and politicians from across the right-wing spectrum were quick to denounce the move as unacceptable. Prime Minister Netanyahu said discrimination won’t be tolerated, while Minister of the Economy Naftali Bennett said that 99.9 percent of Israeli Arab citizens are loyal (read: reliable cheap labor). Reactions were so strong and across the board that it honestly felt at one point as if the mayor’s ban was a ploy to enable all these politicians the opportunity to resolutely declare to the Israeli public that the country is not anti-Arab – even as it prepares to push forward on Sunday the “Jewish nation state†bill in a version that does not guarantee equal rights for its non-Jewish citizens (the 20 percent of the population that is Palestinian). However, a poll by Israel’s Channel 10 showed that 58 percent of Israelis supported the move (with 32 percent against), and several Ashkelon residents told TV reporters they are in favor. One young mother said she felt the move made her feel safer dropping her kids off at school, adding: “I have no problem with the Arab sector. Some of them are perfectly fine.†Another said, “I’d rather be racist than be a victim.†UPDATE: I discovered a Facebook page called “Fighting for our country, for ourselves†which is filled with anti-Arab messaging, including this photo taken at a store (location unknown) with a sign reading: “Arabs not employed here.†Many comments from Israelis on the photo express disgust and disdain, and while the photo has over 8,500 likes, the page itself only has around 600. ‘We don’t employ Arabs here,’ photo of sign uploaded to Facebook page. http://972mag.com/jerusalem-posters-call-to-ban-arab-workers/99060/ Druze IDF soldier denied entry to northern Israeli pub Ran Abu Dolah fought during Operation Protective Edge and injured by an anti-tank missile but was not allowed entry to a pub in northern Israel over the weekend because he is not Jewish, 'Apparently, they are good enough to fight in Gaza but not to enter a pub,' says a friend of Dolah. Even though the sign outside the pub says the establishment is a “member's only club,†Kalfon claimed that this was a “lie and deceit†and the club is “open to everyone.†“My friends and I have gone there and we are not members,†Kalfon said. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595177,00.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-X9SNJvWxg This video has English subtitles. Click "CC" to view them. This video was collected from Facebook, where it was uploaded on 18 November 2014. It shows a group of Israelis in a supermarket. They fill shopping carts with goods and take them to the checkout line. Several ask supermarket staff "Do you employ Arabs here?" When they are told that the store does hire Arabs they say "Bye" and abandon the filled shopping carts. The Facebook user who posted the video posted it along with the comment: ""Spontaneous protests are gaining momentum on the web. Don't buy if they employ our enemies." Disgusting racism FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Israeli teacher sends students image of 'good Arabs' in graves Ashkelon math teacher sends photo of Muslim cemetery to students via WhatsApp, says it was meant for other group of contacts. One day before the mayor of Ashkelon decided to ban Arab construction workers from kindergartens, a high school teacher in the city sent a group of students an image of a Muslim cemetery with the caption, "In times like these, it's important to remember there are also good Arabs! And they can be found here." The teacher sent the image on Wednesday to a group of 11th and 12th graders via the social messaging service WhatsApp, Ynet reported. The math teacher reportedly regretted sending the image to his students, saying he sent it to them accidentally and that it was intended for a different group on WhatsApp, according to Ynet. After receiving the image, one student responded that it was inappropriate to send such an image to students. The Education Ministry called the incident "extremely grave" and told Ynet that the image "goes against the values of the Education Ministry and the country." It added that local authorities in Ashkelon would be summoning the teacher for disciplinary action. The ministry said it would continue to follow the case to ensure the correct disciplinary measures are taken, but told Ynet that "it should be noted the teacher apologized to his students and expressed regret for his actions." http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.627527 He kept his job, right? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 "Fear Effect: Arab Workers Being Fired Nationwide" - lead headline in Israel's best-selling Yedioth Ahronoth https://twitter.com/AmiKaufman/status/484297981047619584 Jerusalem posters call to ban Arab workers ‘Jews only employ Jews’ poster in Jerusalem, Nov 21, 2014 (Photo: Guy Butavia) Above the slogan in smaller letters, at the top of the Israeli flag-shaped poster, it reads: “Biblical law determines†and at the bottom it reads: “Did you know?! The terrorists that committed the massacre in Har Nof – were employed in the synagogue and its surroundings.†One of the attackers indeed was reported to have worked in a grocery store next to the synagogue. Whoever crafted the racist message grounded it in both religious scripture and practical empiricism. Another poster found in the same area reads: “Employed an Arab? You endangered a Jew!†“Employed an Arab? You endangered a Jew!’ Poster in Jerusalem (Photo: Guy Butavia) These messages echo the decision by the mayor of the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon a day earlier to ban Israeli Arab construction workers from jobs in and around schools in the name of security. The legality of his decision is in question and politicians from across the right-wing spectrum were quick to denounce the move as unacceptable. Prime Minister Netanyahu said discrimination won’t be tolerated, while Minister of the Economy Naftali Bennett said that 99.9 percent of Israeli Arab citizens are loyal (read: reliable cheap labor). Reactions were so strong and across the board that it honestly felt at one point as if the mayor’s ban was a ploy to enable all these politicians the opportunity to resolutely declare to the Israeli public that the country is not anti-Arab – even as it prepares to push forward on Sunday the “Jewish nation state†bill in a version that does not guarantee equal rights for its non-Jewish citizens (the 20 percent of the population that is Palestinian). However, a poll by Israel’s Channel 10 showed that 58 percent of Israelis supported the move (with 32 percent against), and several Ashkelon residents told TV reporters they are in favor. One young mother said she felt the move made her feel safer dropping her kids off at school, adding: “I have no problem with the Arab sector. Some of them are perfectly fine.†Another said, “I’d rather be racist than be a victim.†UPDATE: I discovered a Facebook page called “Fighting for our country, for ourselves†which is filled with anti-Arab messaging, including this photo taken at a store (location unknown) with a sign reading: “Arabs not employed here.†Many comments from Israelis on the photo express disgust and disdain, and while the photo has over 8,500 likes, the page itself only has around 600. ‘We don’t employ Arabs here,’ photo of sign uploaded to Facebook page. http://972mag.com/jerusalem-posters-call-to-ban-arab-workers/99060/ Druze IDF soldier denied entry to northern Israeli pub Ran Abu Dolah fought during Operation Protective Edge and injured by an anti-tank missile but was not allowed entry to a pub in northern Israel over the weekend because he is not Jewish, 'Apparently, they are good enough to fight in Gaza but not to enter a pub,' says a friend of Dolah. Even though the sign outside the pub says the establishment is a “member's only club,†Kalfon claimed that this was a “lie and deceit†and the club is “open to everyone.†“My friends and I have gone there and we are not members,†Kalfon said. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595177,00.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-X9SNJvWxg Disgusting racism ok, so you give these examples of people who are extremists? People have the right to think and act the way they want, and yes, it means you can share your thoughts on Instagram, Facebook etc. You just seem to give random photos of 1 out of uncountable number of kiosks that exist in Israel that bans Arab from working.. Should I give any example from the other side? I think the ones that Simon posted above are more than enough, and these sayings coming from "important" people that the Palestinians appreciate.. The OP was changed last night to show only the mod disclaimer though so it doesn't have any bias or content at all sorry, didn't notice :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 ok, so you give these examples of people who are extremists? People have the right to think and act the way they want, and yes, it means you can share your thoughts on Instagram, Facebook etc. You just seem to give random photos of 1 out of uncountable number of kiosks that exist in Israel that bans Arab from working.. Should I give any example from the other side? I think the ones that Simon posted above are more than enough, and these sayings coming from "important" people that the Palestinians appreciate.. sorry, didn't notice :) You cannot give example from other side as Palestine is not occupying Israel, Palestine doesn't have a "democratic" state or state at all and Palestine doesn't have 20% of Jewish citizens. People have right to be racist and discriminate based on race and religion? They should lose their licence to work, but they won't. That teacher who sent image of muslim graves to show where the "good Arabs" are, keep track on it and tell us did he get to keep his job. If you want from "important" people, in that same quote there is a story of mayor of Ashkelon who wants to fire all Arab workers, and even some politicians condemned it(fearing to lose cheap labour), the poll from channel 10 shows 58% Israelis AGREE with him, so... that's a lot of people. I don't need to bring some Rabbi's quote, do I? Anti-Arab incitement comes from important political and religious figures. And you forgot to mention a new law which makes all non-Jews as second rate citizens in Israel. Even your long time friend USA is not happy about it. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 ok, so you give these examples of people who are extremists? People have the right to think and act the way they want, and yes, it means you can share your thoughts on Instagram, Facebook etc. This is wrong on so many levels, but it's worth to note that this is allowed only if you're an Israeli Jew, otherwise you might get arrested. "Israel has threatened to arrest the Palestinian activists who post anti-Israeli remarks on Facebook, Press TV reports. In the latest wave of crackdown on Palestinian activists, Tel Aviv has vowed to take legal against those who post anti-Israeli remarks on Facebook. Last week, 32-year-old Mahmoud Asila from the Old City of al-Quds was arrested for what the Israeli regime called incitement and spreading violent propaganda." http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/11/26/387548/israel-to-nab-online-palestine-activists/ But this is ok https://twitter.com/Talkoholic/status/536014431944052737 https://twitter.com/Talkoholic/status/536019903505891328 https://m.facebook.com/richard.silverstein/posts/10152779486217850 https://twitter.com/davidsheen/status/534369039422746624 https://twitter.com/davidsheen/status/532673717340348417 FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXCXSXE 0 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 You cannot give example from other side as Palestine is not occupying Israel, Palestine doesn't have a "democratic" state or state at all and Palestine doesn't have 20% of Jewish citizens. People have right to be racist and discriminate based on race and religion? They should lose their licence to work, but they won't. That teacher who sent image of muslim graves to show where the "good Arabs" are, keep track on it and tell us did he get to keep his job. If you want from "important" people, in that same quote there is a story of mayor of Ashkelon who wants to fire all Arab workers, and even some politicians condemned it(fearing to lose cheap labour), the poll from channel 10 shows 58% Israelis AGREE with him, so... that's a lot of people. I don't need to bring some Rabbi's quote, do I? Anti-Arab incitement comes from important political and religious figures. And you forgot to mention a new law which makes all non-Jews as second rate citizens in Israel. Even your long time friend USA is not happy about it. That Ashkelon mayor is a disgrace. I don't believe that can actually pass. There were a ton of articles about the outrage from that suggestion... We'll see if he wins his next election I guess. In any case, his views are a lot more moderate than the ones shared in Simon post, which is quite scary. They're all nuts. :cry: That poll was also 58% of people in Ashkelon, which is very different from "Israel", since they have been a major target from rockets, and I believe the more rural communities tend to be less moderate, as in the US. Terribly sad about the teacher, though; he should definitely lose his job. I will be watching that story quite carefully. Calling it a "new law" is incredibly misleading because it has not passed, and is very unlikely to. ;) Careful about your phrasing! Israel is also far more democratic than Hamas, so using "democracy" in quotes is totally meaningless. You should really stop posting cases of individual racism and thinking it strengthens your argument. How does that strengthen your argument when there are racist individuals everywhere in this world? If you want to prove a point, you should try to use politicians at least or people who actually matter, and I'm sure that won't be hard for you to find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 That Ashkelon mayor is a disgrace. I don't believe that can actually pass. There were a ton of articles about the outrage from that suggestion... We'll see if he wins his next election I guess. In any case, his views are a lot more moderate than the ones shared in Simon post, which is quite scary. They're all nuts. :cry: That poll was also 58% of people in Ashkelon, which is very different from "Israel", since they have been a major target from rockets, and I believe the more rural communities tend to be less moderate, as in the US. Terribly sad about the teacher, though; he should definitely lose his job. I will be watching that story quite carefully. Calling it a "new law" is incredibly misleading because it has not passed, and is very unlikely to. ;) Careful about your phrasing! Israel is also far more democratic than Hamas, so using "democracy" in quotes is totally meaningless. You should really stop posting cases of individual racism and thinking it strengthens your argument. How does that strengthen your argument when there are racist individuals everywhere in this world? If you want to prove a point, you should try to use politicians at least or people who actually matter, and I'm sure that won't be hard for you to find. Tbh though, most of the arguments on either side are incredibly weak when they delve into tit for tat arguments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXCXSXE 0 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Tbh though, most of the arguments on either side are incredibly weak when they delve into tit for tat arguments I absolutely agree. This debate is far below the university level and reaching below the high school level at points. I am only referencing those who refuse to acknowledge that there are two sides. It is arguing for the sake of arguing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I ask myself where was David Sheen when 5 Israelis were butcherd last week. Some people are so obssesed with hating on Israel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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