mcphee 1,778 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Wow. I respect her so much more now. Why is this guy still getting work though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear 7,515 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'm not taking any sides because I don't know the facts. I'd hope that no one could lie about such a thing, so I am inclined to believe her- but nothing is certain until we are aware of the evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 15,880 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 And many people clearly are doubting the female victim who has much more to lose and believing the powerful male whos career probably wont be affected by this. It has nothing to do with liking Kesha or disliking katy (wtf?), its about giving the victim the benefit of the doubt. Of course the general rule is 'innocent until proven guilty' but with instances of s-xual abuse i think its different, its damaging to people who have been through s-xual abuse to fear that if they bring it up then they will be accused of lying and nothing will come of it, so i believe with cases like these, until the final verdict is given, the victim should be given the benefit of the doubt. plus, he is/was basically in charge of her whole career, he could/can ruin her in this industry, so no wonder it took a long time for her to come forward. we far too often blame the victim. absolutely agreed. she has way more to lose in this situation. if she doesn't win this lawsuit, he can do everything he threatened to do, pretty much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman 4,660 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I feel the story about the fingering was added to make him look more like a monster. Like was it really that necessary? Here's my take: There's definitely truth to the story, but they're doing any and everything to make Dr. Luke look like the sickest man alive in order for Kesha to get out of her contract. It's science, bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Adrenaline 1,518 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 they are stil dragging this mess :madge: It's much more fun to have hizophrenia... u never get lonely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Heart 4,400 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 The industry is not "controlled by men". That is far from true. I wouldn't say either s-x even has control over the industry because a lot of acts are females and they're what keeps the music indurtry alive (I'm talking about the acts, not the s-x) and they may be the corporate male business men keeping the industry in order. But no one has control. And Kesha is FAR from defensless. I hear she has Michael Jacksons lawyers? And not to mention, with all these statments she's releasing, she already has everyone eating out her hands feeling so sorry for her. It just goes to show that if Kesha wasn't Kesha, a lot of people wouldn't care about what happened to her or even doubt the legitimicy of her accusations. And I choose to look at it like that... A normal guy and a normal girl. The guy is the employer and the girl is the employee. The girl has a lot of reasons to twist the truth. I'd rather we not rush to make any accusations until further evidence is brought to the table, period. Because what do we have now? A supposed victim who says she was abused? And a guy who says the mother and girl are trying to sabotage his contract? He-says-she-says type of thing rn. And just because she's a supposed victim to s-xual abuse, doesn't mean we should just give her the benefit of the doubt just because of what she says. We should look at what both parties have brought to the table and identify the motives and statements. Not just "err, well, she says she has been violated so yeah I'll just follow her." That's manipulation at it's finest. And if Kesha lost she'd still be approached. Why? Because she's a mega pop star. No matter what happens in the future of this case, she still has all those hits under her belt and her fanbase so anybody will be lucky to work with her. I really dont mean this in a rude way, but i dont think you know what the industry is like. Yes a lot of the acts are female, but the people at the top ? the people behind the scenes, the decision makers? All male, all deciding what would make them the most money versus what is best for the artist. Your saying we should wait to make an informed decision and until we have all the facts to completely realise our stance, which i completely agree with, because it very well could be that Kesha is making up false allegations. However, this is where i disagree with you 'He-says-she-says type of thing rn. And just because she's a supposed victim to s-xual abuse, doesn't mean we should just give her the benefit of the doubt just because of what she says. We should look at what both parties have brought to the table and identify the motives and statements. Not just "err, well, she says she has been violated so yeah I'll just follow her." That's manipulation at it's finest.' Your saying we shouldnt give anyone the benefit of the doubt, when you are clearly giving him the benefit of the doubt with statements like 'she already has everyone eating out her hands feeling so sorry for her' why should we give the accoused aggressor of the crimes the benefit of the doubt over the victim? This is where i have an issue, because I believe that when there is no clear evidence or proof ( as of now, to our knowledge, as the public) that we shouldnt jump to the defense of the supposed rapist. Why ? I mean isnt the usual accepted process 'innocent until proven guilty?' Yes. However, i think it is different when it comes to victims of s-xual abuse, there are so many reasons why people who are abused dont come forward at the time, and one of the biggest is because they can be deemed as lying to try and gain something/destroy someones reputation. Its an incredibly damaging thing to victims to have their story, at the very beginning thrown into doubt because of the 'innocence until proven guilty' rule. I feel like with a high profile case like this, people should be on the side of the supposed victim, in order to give hope to everyday normal people who have been abused to come forward too. 'And if Kesha lost she'd still be approached. Why? Because she's a mega pop star. No matter what happens in the future of this case, she still has all those hits under her belt and her fanbase so anybody will be lucky to work with her.' I completely disagree. Kesha as a brand is successful and of course has people wanting to work with her but her music is literally all him, the hits? All made by him. If she lost, any ties to Dr Luke would completely blacklist her and other places would blacklist her simply because she wouldve been deemed a liar, why would the work with someone who could possibly sue them in the future. Sure she could be a small independent artist, but not the level shes at right now. 'Not just "err, well, she says she has been violated so yeah I'll just follow her." That's manipulation at it's finest.' Thats not the point im making at all. "GGD IS NOT FOR YOU" - Admin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexy 3,135 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Despicable. I hope she wins. Why is Luke referred to by his stage name in these documents? Seems unprofessional for legal docs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WH0RE 1 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 inb4 gaga works with dr luke on her next album.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 15,880 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'm ****ing fuming reading this. This is absolutely repulsive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy 495 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I feel the story about the fingering was added to make him look more like a monster. Like was it really that necessary? Here's my take: There's definitely truth to the story, but they're doing any and everything to make Dr. Luke look like the sickest man alive in order for Kesha to get out of her contract. If he indeed s-xually abused her he should be punished for it, end of story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelduuh 319 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 This is actually real? I can't believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALX 170 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 The industry is not "controlled by men". That is far from true. I wouldn't say either s-x even has control over the industry because a lot of acts are females and they're what keeps the music indurtry alive (I'm talking about the acts, not the s-x) and they may be the corporate male business men keeping the industry in order. But no one has control. And Kesha is FAR from defensless. I hear she has Michael Jacksons lawyers? And not to mention, with all these statments she's releasing, she already has everyone eating out her hands feeling so sorry for her. It just goes to show that if Kesha wasn't Kesha, a lot of people wouldn't care about what happened to her or even doubt the legitimicy of her accusations. And I choose to look at it like that... A normal guy and a normal girl. The guy is the employer and the girl is the employee. The girl has a lot of reasons to twist the truth. I'd rather we not rush to make any accusations until further evidence is brought to the table, period. Because what do we have now? A supposed victim who says she was abused? And a guy who says the mother and girl are trying to sabotage his contract? He-says-she-says type of thing rn. And just because she's a supposed victim to s-xual abuse, doesn't mean we should just give her the benefit of the doubt just because of what she says. We should look at what both parties have brought to the table and identify the motives and statements. Not just "err, well, she says she has been violated so yeah I'll just follow her." That's manipulation at it's finest. And if Kesha lost she'd still be approached. Why? Because she's a mega pop star. No matter what happens in the future of this case, she still has all those hits under her belt and her fanbase so anybody will be lucky to work with her. you're saying it's a lot easier to blame the girl for twisting the truth than accepting the inherent truth the male has committed some form of immoral or illegal action. I absolutely can not with some of the misogynist answers you're giving to support yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Mouth 322 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://explore.noodle.com/post/100024137118/the-story-of-cassandra-the-woman-who-told-the?utm_content=bufferf06c0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer The story of Cassandra, the woman who told the truth but was not believed, is not nearly as embedded in our culture as that of the Boy Who Cried Wolfâ€â€that is, the boy who was believed the first few times he told the same lie. Perhaps it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Gangsta 6,693 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Inbefore Luke goes to the jail, he doesnt produce katy next album &she flops xD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 101,316 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Vile man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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