$4.67 Big Mac can pay for $15/hour workers?

[Economy 52,951]

maybe you should work hard to be a teacher because you want to be a teacher...not because you get paid more...

now back to reality, society would fall apart if u relied on them to work harder for same pay out of the goodness of their hearts

Mcdonalds pays as much as a teacher which requires more skill, years of school and tuition money but because i wanna be a productive citizen im gonna work so much harder for same pay cuz i wanna be useful to society

How many ppl do u think would think that way? Please. Non-sense :roll:

[NewYorkCity 10,536]

so they can afford to live...

so because they don't have a great job they shouldn't be able to have a family? 

maybe you should work hard to be a teacher because you want to be a teacher...not because you get paid more...

 

also..$15 might be too much depending where you live...but minimum wage is way too low in the US for the cost of living.  

 

If people don't want people on welfare, then they need to realize that we can't pay people $7.25 an hour and think that will work. 

 

basically, this is what i'm trying to say:

1. Of course I want to be a teacher, if I wanted more money I would be studying to be a doctor. A doctor gets more money than I, and I am not saying that I have to get the same amount of money as him.

 

2. I was saying 15 dollars because it is what they demand. Anyway, aparently people on this thread have been saying that a lot of teachers get less than that. So I wasn't talking about it being too much, it is about the proportion and the relation of what other people get. 

 

3. I have NEVER looked anyone down because of their profession.

[Whispering 18,865]

so what do u suggest? We start over-paying everyone for low skills jobs?

I guess i should quit my heavy steel job paying $14/h and ill stop learning as an apprentice...

Why should i work hard if working at mcdonalds can pay my bills?

 

 

I suggest that people stop thinking that working full time at a fast food job is easy or just for people who are lazy and don't want a better job. I suggest you actually try to make it on your own with an $8 an hour full time job and then try to support a couple of kids on that same salary. AS I remember, you still live at home. (and yes, I know you pay rent) What if you never had that luxury? What if you had never been able to live with your parents? What if you couldn't get hired at a trade type job? What if you had children to provide for, with absolutely no help from anyone? It's really great that you have a job that had pay increases to get you to a certain income. The full time fast food workers don't have that. They might get a five cent an hour raise every once in a while...maybe. It's a hard job and a dead end job, with no chance of getting a good raise along the way, but it is all that some people can get, so they take it and they work their ass off 40 hours a week.

 

Many of these full time workers are minority women who are single mothers. They have another choice. They COULD be on welfare and not have to do this ****ty job for the rest of their lives, but they choose not to do that. People need to realize that these are not lazy, unmotivated losers.

 

I worked fast food for a few years during high school and it was the hardest damn job I've ever had!

At this fast food establishment, there were four women who came in every morning at 5 a.m. to open the store and do the breakfast and lunch shift. They had to be on the bus at 4 a.m. to make sure they made it across town to be there before 5 a.m. That meant they were getting up around 3 to make sure they got ready and made it to the bus stop. These women worked from 5 until 2 (with an hour for lunch) five days a week. The managers would MAKE SURE they didn't work a minute over 40 hours a week, so they wouldn't go into overtime pay. After work, they would head out to the bus stop to wait for the bus to take them another hour across town. By the time they got home they had been up and standing on their feet, working hard and had just put in 12 hours in their day to  provide for themselves and their family.

A couple of them would go on to their second jobs or they worked on the weekends. A couple of them were single moms who were trying to make it home by the time their kids got home from school so they could take care of them, fix them supper, help with homework and spend time with them. This was the job they had. It was steady income and provided health insurance and a week vacation once a year. (two weeks after five years) They had children, second jobs and even parents of their own to help out. These women didn't live with their parents in a nice house in a nice or even safe part of town, or have the time or money to go to a trade school. They had to find a job so their kids could eat!

 

Not once have I said that the minimum wage should be $15 dollars an hour...not once! However, I do believe we have a whole lot of people in this thread who have certain circumstances and opportunities in their lives that others in this world have never had and will never have. I believe that there are a bunch of people in this thread who don't have any clue what type of people they are referring to when they are talking about full-time fast food workers. They have a picture of a lazy, unmotivated individual who doesn't want a better job and that simply isn't the reality of the situation.

I don't think it would hurt if our government gave a serious look at the pay of full time (40 hours a week) minimum wage adult workers and considered that they are more than likely providing for themselves or a family. If the government is making it easier to be on welfare, and hard for single parents to make enough to put food on the table, then they need to look at that.

[SummerGirl21 787]

please tell me ur kidding

Kids is a big responsibility and u need to care for them. U shouldnt have them if u cant afford them

I'm not saying you should be like "I can't afford a kid...I think I'll have one!"  But if you start to put monetary rules on when people can or cannot have a kid, you start essentially participating in eugenics.  

[Zsolti 2,688]

inb4 new thread

"mcdonalds workers react to GGD's negative bullsh*t"

[SummerGirl21 787]

now back to reality, society would fall apart if u relied on them to work harder for same pay out of the goodness of their hearts

Mcdonalds pays as much as a teacher which requires more skill, years of school and tuition money but because i wanna be a productive citizen im gonna work so much harder for same pay cuz i wanna be useful to society

How many ppl do u think would think that way? Please. Non-sense :roll:

Most teachers do think that way because for they amount of work they do, they get paid very little.  

[SummerGirl21 787]

1. Of course I want to be a teacher, if I wanted more money I would be studying to be a doctor. A doctor gets more money than I, and I am not saying that I have to get the same amount of money as him.

 

2. I was saying 15 dollars because it is what they demand. Anyway, aparently people on this thread have been saying that a lot of teachers get less than that. So I wasn't talking about it being too much, it is about the proportion and the relation of what other people get. 

 

3. I have NEVER looked anyone down because of their profession.

My initial response was probably a little rude or snide.  Sorry.  I guess I just think that people should make a living wage.  They should be able to support a family and work at McDonalds.  Someone has to work there!  They shouldn't have to go on welfare when they actually have a job.  The whole American Dream stuff that people like to talk about has truths but is also full of myths.  People are limited by their circumstances.  I am fortunate to be born in the family I was born into. So I just get annoyed when people say "get another job! go to college!"  That might  not be a possibility for them.  Either way, they are working and contributing to society.  They shouldn't have to live in poverty.   

[Whispering 18,865]

.... people, you make it seem so eassy. Like, I am a teacher, I have been studying during years, paying college and working very hard to get my job. I get paid let's say 15$. 

I mean, If a person working at McDonalds gets the same amount of money as I do, why would I waste years of my life studying when I can get the same just leaving school at 16??

That's one point.

Next point, if you can't afford kids, you don't have kids. That excuse nowadays just makes you seem irresponsible and ignorant.

Another one: as I was saying, If a Mcdonalds worker gets 15$ I want more because I have done a lot more of effort and my job is more important (not saying that their work isn't, but...). So all the workers get payed more money... the prices will increase, and the McDonalds worker would be in the same situation.

 

Try to apply to another job if you don't like the one you have.

These people are not dying on the streets, don't overreact. They can't afford a lot of things? Yeah, but if you want to you have to make a lot of effort, NOTHING has been given to ANYONE for free.

 

Starting teacher salaries for a New York teacher range from $45,530 (bachelor's degree, no prior teaching experience) to teachers who have a master's degree but no teaching experience will at $51,425.

 

That's a long ways from the $15,000 that a minimum wage job brings at this current time. Even if the minimum wage did get raised to $15 dollars an hour, (which it won't) it would still not be close to a teacher's salary. Don't worry, they aren't going to be making as much as you.

 

No one said these people are dying on the streets, but many of them are having a hard time providing for the very basic of needs for themselves and for their families. I hope when you get your teacher's job in NYC, you get hired at some fancy private school where you won't have to deal with the kids who are hungry or who wash their uniform shirt out in the sink each night because they only own one uniform shirt, or come to school without a warm coat, because that is reality for some kids...like it or not!

[Mikebristow 35]

The truth is ... if you think about it, who is "Really" going to end up paying the extra money it costs to pay uneducated low skill workers ? You think the company is going to absorb the cost? Its the same story WE THE PEOPLE end up paying. The price of a Big Mac is going to triple just like gas has in the last 7 years.  Think about it the people are ALWAYS the ones that end up paying.

[SummerGirl21 787]

I suggest that people stop thinking that working full time at a fast food job is easy or just for people who are lazy and don't want a better job. I suggest you actually try to make it on your own with an $8 an hour full time job and then try to support a couple of kids on that same salary. AS I remember, you still live at home. (and yes, I know you pay rent) What if you never had that luxury? What if you had never been able to live with your parents? What if you couldn't get hired at a trade type job? What if you had children to provide for, with absolutely no help from anyone? It's really great that you have a job that had pay increases to get you to a certain income. The full time fast food workers don't have that. They might get a five cent an hour raise every once in a while...maybe. It's a hard job and a dead end job, with no chance of getting a good raise along the way, but it is all that some people can get, so they take it and they work their ass off 40 hours a week.

 

Many of these full time workers are minority women who are single mothers. They have another choice. They COULD be on welfare and not have to do this ****ty job for the rest of their lives, but they choose not to do that. People need to realize that these are not lazy, unmotivated losers.

 

I worked fast food for a few years during high school and it was the hardest damn job I've ever had!

At this fast food establishment, there were four women who came in every morning at 5 a.m. to open the store and do the breakfast and lunch shift. They had to be on the bus at 4 a.m. to make sure they made it across town to be there before 5 a.m. That meant they were getting up around 3 to make sure they got ready and made it to the bus stop. These women worked from 5 until 2 (with an hour for lunch) five days a week. The managers would MAKE SURE they didn't work a minute over 40 hours a week, so they wouldn't go into overtime pay. After work, they would head out to the bus stop to wait for the bus to take them another hour across town. By the time they got home they had been up and standing on their feet, working hard and had just put in 12 hours in their day to  provide for themselves and their family.

A couple of them would go on to their second jobs or they worked on the weekends. A couple of them were single moms who were trying to make it home by the time their kids got home from school so they could take care of them, fix them supper, help with homework and spend time with them. This was the job they had. It was steady income and provided health insurance and a week vacation once a year. (two weeks after five years) They had children, second jobs and even parents of their own to help out. These women didn't live with their parents in a nice house in a nice or even safe part of town, or have the time or money to go to a trade school. They had to find a job so their kids could eat!

 

Not once have I said that the minimum wage should be $15 dollars an hour...not once! However, I do believe we have a whole lot of people in this thread who have certain circumstances and opportunities in their lives that others in this world have never had and will never have. I believe that there are a bunch of people in this thread who don't have any clue what type of people they are referring to when they are talking about full-time fast food workers. They have a picture of a lazy, unmotivated individual who doesn't want a better job and that simply isn't the reality of the situation.

I don't think it would hurt if our government to gave a serious look at the pay of full time (40 hours a week) minimum wage adult workers and considered that they are more than likely providing for themselves or a family. If the government is making it easier to be on welfare, and hard for single parents to make enough to put food on the table, then they need to look at that.

     

[Miel 15,009]

Coming from a pretty low income neighborhood, I see firsthand (in my opinion) the unfairness of economic inequality.

 

To be honest, there are a myriad of factors that play into the whole situation- racial profiling, pre-conceived mindsets on s-xuality and children tying into pre-conceived mindsets on gender and machismo, the general classism of America, and such. I feel like, if those are tackled, then there will be shown effects on the whole minimum wage versus general monetary sustenance situation.

 

I don't know if everybody's experienced it on here, but from where I'm from, sometimes a minimum wage job is all that an individual can get. Sorry to be bring in a whole lot of other issues into it, but being a low-income minority individual in the states is honestly not that easy. 

I suggest that people stop thinking that working full time at a fast food job is easy or just for people who are lazy and don't want a better job. I suggest you actually try to make it on your own with an $8 an hour full time job and then try to support a couple of kids on that same salary. AS I remember, you still live at home. (and yes, I know you pay rent) What if you never had that luxury? What if you had never been able to live with your parents? What if you couldn't get hired at a trade type job? What if you had children to provide for, with absolutely no help from anyone? It's really great that you have a job that had pay increases to get you to a certain income. The full time fast food workers don't have that. They might get a five cent an hour raise every once in a while...maybe. It's a hard job and a dead end job, with no chance of getting a good raise along the way, but it is all that some people can get, so they take it and they work their ass off 40 hours a week.

 

Many of these full time workers are minority women who are single mothers. They have another choice. They COULD be on welfare and not have to do this ****ty job for the rest of their lives, but they choose not to do that. People need to realize that these are not lazy, unmotivated losers.

 

I worked fast food for a few years during high school and it was the hardest damn job I've ever had!

At this fast food establishment, there were four women who came in every morning at 5 a.m. to open the store and do the breakfast and lunch shift. They had to be on the bus at 4 a.m. to make sure they made it across town to be there before 5 a.m. That meant they were getting up around 3 to make sure they got ready and made it to the bus stop. These women worked from 5 until 2 (with an hour for lunch) five days a week. The managers would MAKE SURE they didn't work a minute over 40 hours a week, so they wouldn't go into overtime pay. After work, they would head out to the bus stop to wait for the bus to take them another hour across town. By the time they got home they had been up and standing on their feet, working hard and had just put in 12 hours in their day to  provide for themselves and their family.

A couple of them would go on to their second jobs or they worked on the weekends. A couple of them were single moms who were trying to make it home by the time their kids got home from school so they could take care of them, fix them supper, help with homework and spend time with them. This was the job they had. It was steady income and provided health insurance and a week vacation once a year. (two weeks after five years) They had children, second jobs and even parents of their own to help out. These women didn't live with their parents in a nice house in a nice or even safe part of town, or have the time or money to go to a trade school. They had to find a job so their kids could eat!

 

Not once have I said that the minimum wage should be $15 dollars an hour...not once! However, I do believe we have a whole lot of people in this thread who have certain circumstances and opportunities in their lives that others in this world have never had and will never have. I believe that there are a bunch of people in this thread who don't have any clue what type of people they are referring to when they are talking about full-time fast food workers. They have a picture of a lazy, unmotivated individual who doesn't want a better job and that simply isn't the reality of the situation.

I don't think it would hurt if our government to gave a serious look at the pay of full time (40 hours a week) minimum wage adult workers and considered that they are more than likely providing for themselves or a family. If the government is making it easier to be on welfare, and hard for single parents to make enough to put food on the table, then they need to look at that.

 

I agree.

[Mikebristow 35]

The problem is "One Super Size " (sorry for the pun)  doesn't fit all. The governments problem is they often think that there is one fix that fits everyone....... That is lazy and only gets headlines.  The cost of living in some places like New York ( and the VERY  VERY VERY high tax rate doesnt help ) And LA and other places is sooooooo much higher then say... Easton Maryland or Virginia or half the country.  So people know 50,000 dollars in New York gets u SH%$  ...50,000 dollars in Other places  gets u the American Dream.

[Luc 4,776]

People can't just "get an education" It actually costs money. I am working to save up to go to college. And you have no idea the amount of people who actually can't keep up with working in fast food environments, people get fired all the time where I work for not being fast enough, not being able to do the physical work constantly, etc. Not everyone has a parent who is rich that can afford to send them to school, in case you didn't know that.

That's, sadly, the problems a country like the US brings, and why socialism (to a certain extent) is good. I can't really imagine how it is like. My parents pay $500 for high school a year (which is $300 for a trip to Paris, $100 for an English method that the government doesn't fund or something along those lines, 100$ for other costs like a locker, school trips to theme parks and things like that). My parents also get about $100 a month for each kid they have (2) till they're like 25. For my older brother, they pay about $3000 a year for his university.

 

I can imagine working in a fastfood restaurant is a hard task, but you're easily replaceable. The hardest workers in the world are probably the people in Bangladesh who work 80 hours a week to make clothes for stores like H&M and earn like $0.05 an hour. The world is unfair, and 15$ is a bit too much for McDonalds. 10$ is reasonable.

[Whispering 18,865]

now back to reality, society would fall apart if u relied on them to work harder for same pay out of the goodness of their hearts

Mcdonalds pays as much as a teacher which requires more skill, years of school and tuition money but because i wanna be a productive citizen im gonna work so much harder for same pay cuz i wanna be useful to society

How many ppl do u think would think that way? Please. Non-sense :roll:

 

 

Even at $15 dollars an hour, that wouldn't be more than a teacher's salary in most cities. Even if it was the same, I would pick the teacher's job for sure! A fast food job is a physically exhausting, boring, repetitive, dead end job. Teaching has opportunities for advancement and job security. Also, many professions love to hire teachers with a few years of experience, so there is always those options in the future as well.

 

Look, high school grads and people with their G.E.D.s, who work on assembly lines in factories, are making two and three times as much as teachers, policemen, firemen or servicemen in the armed forces. We pay people more on assembly lines than we do the people who are teaching our children or putting their lives in danger for their community or their country. You don't get more money for making a difference in the world. That's never been the case.

[Luc 4,776]

Yes it is. When people have to work 2-3 jobs to get by then the minimum wage is not great.

What is 'getting by'?

 

Honestly, it's always possible to save money. Stop smoking, stop drinking anything besides tea and water, cut down on electricity, get a water-saving toilet and shower, don't shower more than 5 minutes, get a cheaper mobile phone subscription, don't eat out too much, don't drive a car (buy a second hand bicycle or walk), don't use the taxi, don't spend too much on holidays, get a cheaper houseetc. There's so many ways to save money. If you spend more than 400$ a week with a low income, I think you're doing it wrong (unless you're studying and your education costs too much).