Jimmy Darling 1 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 James Cameron can reboot the series! Explosions everywhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman 6,108 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 The horcruxes are fragments of Voldemort and as such it should be assumed that any physical beings from them are still fragments of Voldemort - so while there could be in theory several Voldemorts at once - they still would all be part of the same entity rather than seperate individuals, almost like a hive mind. [Or maybe he could just absorb them - I don't know.] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 The horcruxes are fragments of Voldemort and as such it should be assumed that any physical beings from them are still fragments of Voldemort - so while there could be in theory several Voldemorts at once - they still would all be part of the same entity rather than seperate individuals, almost like a hive mind. [Or maybe he could just absorb them - I don't know.] Voldemort, the main one, is himself just a fragment. The diary fragment shows that horcruxes, when given life force are able to think and act on their own as if they were separate beings. It's main mission was to open the chamber, but once it obtained enough of Ginny's life force it was able to think on its own and even changed what it's objectives were, all on its own accord. Also the only way the soul fragments could be reunited was by expressing true remorse, which let's face it wouldn't happen. Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 James Cameron can reboot the series! Explosions everywhere Do you mean Michael Bay? Two + Voldemorts would have been a pretty interesting direction for the series. I like the way it turned out, but the power struggle between a fallen dark lord and his own younger self sounds pretty cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEWRJEWR 5,663 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 #JusticeforDobby #BuyDobbionicOnItunes #JusticeForDobby Fear, she's the mother of violence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray of Light 8,134 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 #FreeDraco2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Darling 1 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Do you mean Michael Bay? Two + Voldemorts would have been a pretty interesting direction for the series. I like the way it turned out, but the power struggle between a fallen dark lord and his own younger self sounds pretty cool. Yes omg I had trouble remembering his name and that popped up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop 4,541 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 The worst plot hole in HP are Time-Turners. Honestly, being able to go back in time is the greatest power tool ever and the fact that there were dozens of them and ministry was just giving it away to students so they don't miss their periods? MESS If they could go back in time, why didn't they go back and save Harrys parents? etc So stupid. The Taylor Brigade: KNOCKOUT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavymlover 340 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I think that the diary was particularly different than the rest of the horcruxes, which all have different properties and react differently (the locket shows your fears, the ring damages Dumbledore's hand, and so on). The diary wouldn't be able to bring Voldemort back from the death. As Rowling said, nothing would, not even the resurrection stone. The diary was able to bring back Voldemort's memory, which certainly could be mistaken from bringing back his body from the death. If I understand correctly, the sole purpose of the diary was to re-open the Chamber of the Secrets and purge Hogwarts by posessing an innocent sould, not necessarily bring him back. I could see Rowling missing a few mistakes in that particular plot, though. It's quite complex to develop, especially throughout a 7 book series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavymlover 340 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 The worst plot hole in HP are Time-Turners. Honestly, being able to go back in time is the greatest power tool ever and the fact that there were dozens of them and ministry was just giving it away to students so they don't miss their periods? MESS If they could go back in time, why didn't they go back and save Harrys parents? etc So stupid. That's not a plot hole. Time-turners can only go back in time a few hours, otherwise it would be disastrous. Rowling emphasized it over and over with stories of people who were never seen again by trying to go back in time for more than a couple of hours. Time-turners could've been used in the other books, but Rowling destroyed them all in the fifth book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 I think that the diary was particularly different than the rest of the horcruxes, which all have different properties and react differently (the locket shows your fears, the ring damages Dumbledore's hand, and so on). The diary wouldn't be able to bring Voldemort back from the death. As Rowling said, nothing would, not even the resurrection stone. The diary was able to bring back Voldemort's memory, which certainly could be mistaken from bringing back his body from the death. If I understand correctly, the sole purpose of the diary was to re-open the Chamber of the Secrets and purge Hogwarts by posessing an innocent sould, not necessarily bring him back. I could see Rowling missing a few mistakes in that particular plot, though. It's quite complex to develop, especially throughout a 7 book series. But it kept emphasizing how the figure was becoming more and more corporeal as it kept taking Ginny's life force. It even used the words becoming alive. The sole purpose was to bring back the diary, but as Tom Riddle kept becoming more real, it even says it's changed it's plans and wanted to focus on Harry, showing that it powerful enough to think and act on its own. Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmsy 0 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Why didn't the basilisk fang kill the horcrux in Harry in the Chamber of Secrets? Actually there's a very simple explanation for this- see, when Fawkes healed Harry in the chamber, he also (unintentionally) saved the horcrux that lived in Harry. If Fawkes had cried into the diary ( ) instead of Harry's wound, it can be assumed that the piece of Voldemort's soul would have died along with Harry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmsy 0 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 The worst plot hole in HP are Time-Turners. Honestly, being able to go back in time is the greatest power tool ever and the fact that there were dozens of them and ministry was just giving it away to students so they don't miss their periods? MESS If they could go back in time, why didn't they go back and save Harrys parents? etc So stupid. Because in the grand scheme of the universe Harry Potter's parents just aren't that important. Not to mention that awful things happen to wizards who meddle with time- put it this way: even Voldemort didn't wanna go down that route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmsy 0 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 In J.k. Rowling's book Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, we find that in the end the ultimate goal of the diary was to take Ginny's life force and resurrect itself to open the chamber and whatnot. What if it had kept itself hidden until it had completely overtaken Ginny and resurrected itself? We would have had two Voldemort's running around, the now resurrected Tom Riddle and the Main spirit fragment Voldemort who also trying to find a way to resurrect itself. That leads to a lot of different possibilities with the series. One being, which my friend and I discussed, is that it would have led to young Voldemort trying to gather the death eaters under his leadership. At that point spirit Voldemort is still working to resurrect himself and if he succeeds that means we would have had young voldemort with a growing army and older voldemort starting off with his rag tag support group that helped bring him back. Eventually that would have led to a war between the two voldemorts over supremacy as to who would be the new main voldemort along with their plans to take down Harry and rule the wizarding world which would have completely changed the entire series past Prisoner of Azkaban. Not to mention that if the diary had the ability to bring itself, that means the others did to. What if every horcrux had managed to bring itself back. That's like seven different voldemorts. It gets really messy. Had Tom Riddle's diary been able to resurrect in physical form, it's assumed that Voldemort's main spirit would find the new body, and possess it, like he did with Prof. Quirrell, and some other beings/animals after he first "died." Think of it like a meeting up of sorts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Had Tom Riddle's diary been able to resurrect in physical form, it's assumed that Voldemort's main spirit would find the new body, and possess it, like he did with Prof. Quirrell, and some other beings/animals after he first "died." Think of it like a meeting up of sorts. Could he possess himself though? It's believed the soul fragments could come back together only with remorse so that wouldn't that just technically be a violation. Plus how would he know one of his horcrux fragments came back to life? He doesn't feel when something happens to his horcruxes and at the time he's too busy focusing on bringing himself back. Plus knowing Tom's personality he wouldn't have given up control, even to himself. Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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