C2C is "just" covers

[giskardsb 12,565]

In Rock music, everyone is expected to write their own material and compose it.  It's part of the Genre.

 

In Pop and Country, its much more common for writing teams and independent songwriters to write songs that are then sung by pop vocalists.  it's much rarer to have someone like Gaga who writes her material.  The vast majority of time that a pop singer performs a song, they are "covering" a song written by a songwriter.    I come from a rock background, therefore I prefer artists like Gaga.  However, Elton John is a legend, and just about every song he sings was written by Bernie Taupin.  Elton John is not diminished because he "covered" Bernies work.

 

Jazz has a much different tradition, and it's a much older genre.  Jazz recognizes both the song writing and the performance of it as individual art forms.  There are song writers of course and composers.  Many jazz songs came from other "popular" music of the day and were jazzed up, or were written for stage productions or film musicals.  

 

In Jazz, the interpretation of the song is just as important, if not more, than the writing of it.  Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennet, Bilie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald,  none of these people were songwriters.  They "covered" songs, and put their own emotion and feeling behind them.  The same is true for many contemporary Jazz artists, Diana Krall, Norah Jones, Diane Shure, all exemplary vocalists.  Diana and Norah write material as well, but they also have covered tons of standards themselves.

 

There is not a single Jazz artist who looks down on somebody for covering standards, it's part of the genre.

 

So quit with the "C2C is just covers" statements.  Whats important is how Gaga interprets those songs, because that is her job as the vocalist covering them.  Listen to Lush Life, and how she performs that song with her very soul, and you can see that the fact that she didn't physically write that song means nothing.  It's still fantastic.  

 

And I also find it kinda funny that this complaint is coming from people that have probably never heard these songs in the first place.

 

/rant.

 

[Chic 20,830]

It literally is just covers. It's a base statement and factual no matter how philosophical you'd like to be about it.

And I also find it kinda funny that this complaint is coming from people that have probably never heard these songs in the first place.

See that? That is an assumption. Are you saying this out of spite or because you personally know the people who complain have never heard of these jazz standards before?

And don't tell people to quit it. This thread was obviously more about telling people that they're wrong than informing people what's right, no matter how many facts you put in there. The intentions of this thread and many of your others are the same: You can't change other people's opinions, so you use your handy dandy little pedestal to shame them and say their opinion is wrong due to circumstances such as lack of knowledge, to justify why Gaga is doing the right thing. It's obvious you do a lot of research and advocate for her. Like I said in the other thread, be critical. Not particularly negative, but someone with your intelligence shouldn't be limiting yourself to only saying good things about her. The negativity overpowers nothing here, there are tons of overly positive people here who don't know how to explain themselves as well as you and you should be broadening your ranges of discussion beyond "Bow down to queen Gagz"

[Pandemiya 61]

/rant here too.

 

 

If her jazz sequel is just covers too........ 

[Gagz 2,579]

People aren't wrong when they say it's just covers. It's a fact, regardless of whether or not it's traditional.

[Cruelty 6,172]

[giskardsb 12,565]

People aren't wrong when they say it's just covers. It's a fact, regardless of whether or not it's traditional.

 

when most people here say it is "just" covers they are doing it in a way to denigrate it, which just proves ignorance of the genre and also denigrates many jazz greats along the way.  It's annoying.

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

Good point. A lot of the most respected singers from the Golden Era of Hollywood never wrote one song. If Gaga can bring a powerful, unique delivery and perspective to these songs, the album will be great.

[Desperado 2,439]

when most people here say it is "just" covers they are doing it in a way to denigrate it, which just proves ignorance of the genre and also denigrates many jazz greats along the way.  It's annoying.

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[SpaceAce 1,058]

It literally is just covers. It's a base statement and factual no matter how philosophical you'd like to be about it.

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People aren't wrong when they say it's just covers. It's a fact, regardless of whether or not it's traditional.

 

You two have no idea what you're talking about. I've posted this elsewhere:

 

I'm judging everyone who's underestimating the amount of work and creativity Gaga has put into her jazz album. So many good artists have covered the same standards since their conception and she now has to create something unique and exceptional with them. Does anyone think fans of jazz, or even just more mature listeners, are going to like this album if it sounds like something they've heard multiple times before? Even though we have good reason to call her one, she really isn't a jazz artist yet until that album comes out and she proves it. She's worked hard in the studio and loved recording this album, so I'm assuming she'd want it to stand out visually as well. They've filmed a lot of promo and some people have already written great things about the PBS special. She's clearly put more work and thought into this "side-project" than Katy "Straight From The Pages Of Tumblr" Perry has with her own damn pop album. Have some respect for your fave.

 

The amount of creativity and artistry it takes to interpret these songs is on another level. The two released tracks alone are vocally superior to anything she's put out before. This isn't like Rihanna mimicking Sia's demo vocals or Britney Spears covering "I Love Rock N Roll". There's actual interpretation, phrasing and improvisation involved with this album.

[Willy Wonka 4]

when most people here say it is "just" covers they are doing it in a way to denigrate it, which just proves ignorance of the genre and also denigrates many jazz greats along the way.  It's annoying.

[Benji 20,113]

Once again you're taking digs at members without even quoting them, I called you on this yesterday and you didn't reply. You're once again ignoring a giant bulk of the conversation in the other thread, assuming things about these members, getting wound up and then going on a rant.

I'm very aware it's normal for current jazz albums to comprise of covers, do I have to find that interesting though? No. I'm not that interested as so far the covers have been pretty basic, good but nothing to blow me away at all.

I love Gaga's original music, hence why I stan for her. Is that a crime that I would prefer original music over covers from a genre I'm not that interested in?

Seriously, there's more fans having a b---h fit over defending the whole jazz album(s) than there are really against it.

[Red 97,985]

This such a great BS, it is not like there is a limit of jazz songs that can exist and none can be made anymore

[SpaceAce 1,058]

when most people here say it is "just" covers they are doing it in a way to denigrate it, which just proves ignorance of the genre and also denigrates many jazz greats along the way.  It's annoying.

[Chic 20,830]

You two have no idea what you're talking about. I've posted this elsewhere:

I'm judging everyone who's underestimating the amount of work and creativity Gaga has put into her jazz album. So many good artists have covered the same standards since their conception and she now has to create something unique and exceptional with them. Does anyone think fans of jazz, or even just more mature listeners, are going to like this album if it sounds like something they've heard multiple times before? Even though we have good reason to call her one, she really isn't a jazz artist yet until that album comes out and she proves it. She's worked hard in the studio and loved recording this album, so I'm assuming she'd want it to stand out visually as well. They've filmed a lot of promo and some people have already written great things about the PBS special. She's clearly put more work and thought into this "side-project" than Katy "Straight From The Pages Of Tumblr" Perry has with her own damn pop album. Have some respect for your fave.

The amount of creativity and artistry it takes to interpret these songs is on another level. The two released tracks alone are vocally superior to anything she's put out before. This isn't like Rihanna mimicking Sia's demo vocals or Britney Spears covering "I Love Rock N Roll". There's actual interpretation, phrasing and improvisation involved with this album.

You have no idea what you're talking about. It is, BY DEFINITION, an album of covers. Are there any original songs here? No. Then they are covers.

It doesn't matter if covers are the standard in Jazz music. That doesn't change the fact they're covers.

[Weasel 12,525]

Uhm I think this should be seen more as a compliment. We are not used to Gaga doing covers. Fact is, they are covers and yes I wanted to hear Paradise :koons: