boneknuckleskin 776 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 No, it was just a fun topic to write about. Haha. Eh. You were ****ty at coming from me. Yes! I was one of those who criticized the SXSW performance. I'm flattered you remember. Pity, I don't remember you at all though. Maybe I will next time you can't handle my opinion. Nevertheless, your comments are cute. I'm sure you think your opinion is right and mine is wrong. At the end of the day, they're just opinions and they can't be "right" or "wrong". If it makes you feel better, sure, you can be "right". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 spill that tea. I'm diggin all of your posts right now. She should know better. I feel bad for the fans who may be strongly triggered by such scary implications, and insult to injury to have your idol promoting it. The implications man, the implications. I worship Gaga. Absolutely adore her and have a ARTPOP zone ticket. But I was a victim of s-xual assault and Im finding it hard to like her right now. I don't like to make myself a victim so its not a big deal to me but it hurts that Gaga would do a video like this. The video is most definitely NOT about promoting rape. I see why would the media and random people pick up on that, but I can't believe some Little Monsters are jumping on that train! It's so clear to me the video represents the part of her life when she was injured and vulnerable, and needed a time to heal, but the media, her management, and all the people around her kept pushing her to start work asap, turning her life into mess. The rape connotations are just representing something she was forced to do against her will. She was feeling like a puppet in their hands. I'm sure this was her idea for the video, it even includes some comical elements ffs. I think it works great with the song and it's message - she surrenders her body, but her mind can never be controlled. I can understand the true meaning behind the video but because of lack of planning it comes across in a bad way. This video should have been destroyed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I think she's a lovely person. I admire her so much for her compassion and her strong statements for the de-stigmatization of mental health. She is someone who truly wants to be a force for good in this world and I admire that so much. That's why this video bothers me so much. Not only does it make her look bad, but it's just not in line with the values and messages that she's championed in the past. She's just better than this. I know that if she ever met with victims of s-xual assault, she would be so sensitive and compassionate and empathetic. This video is just not an accurate representation of her and what she stands for and that bothers me. It's almost the opposite. Your posts are awesome and intelligently written. Thank you for explaining my thoughts much better than I can. :laughga: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boneknuckleskin 776 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I worship Gaga. Absolutely adore her and have a ARTPOP zone ticket. But I was a victim of s-xual assault and Im finding it hard to like her right now. So was I. I can't at the sensitivity of this Generation Wuss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
filsns 173 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I can understand the true meaning behind the video but because of lack of planning it comes across in a bad way. This video should have been destroyed. That's all I was trying to say. It was shelved because it comes across in a bad way for most people, but it's important to understand the true meaning behind the video concept and Gaga's original idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Draco 2,531 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I think people have forgotten that neither R. Kelly or Terry Richardson were ever actually found guilty for any charges against them. 1. A jury of R. Kelly's peers found him not-guilty in a fair trial. He was never proven guilty therefore if Gaga didnt work with him because of the trial then she'd be discriminating against people falsely accused of raping others and there are people who were. I think that's a reason why he was on the song tbh, he's innocent but the media trashes. His life goes well with DWUW 2. Terry Richardson has very little evidence against him, a few models trashed while some of his other clients spoke very favorably of him. So these two men as far as you know or can prove are both innocent. This so much. Thank you for typing so much so I don't have to. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So was I. I can't at the sensitivity of this Generation Wuss. Everyone can handle things in their own way. Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it's wrong if it bothers someone else. Furthermore, if you have something to say to me, say it. Stop hiding behind passive aggressive pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BricksNStrings 231 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I think a lot of people, fans especially, are not understanding that Gaga's intentions were not to trivialize rape, but to make a commentary about agency over one's body - as a woman, as a public figure, as a symbol of s-xuality to be devoured. I think R Kelly and Terry were chosen for this very reason. The video was, if anything, the exact OPPOSITE of an endorsement of rape. Saying it is would be like saying Marry the Night is an endorsement of whatever happened to her there, or that Swine is. Gaga probably was not happy with how the intentions of the video came across....or, she was, and this is a very clever way of garnering more publicity for this performance art piece she's pulling off. Either way, Gaga either was attempting to make a statement and decided not to because it was too likely to be misunderstood, or she is attempting to make a statement and risking being misunderstood. The former is probably wiser but the second is braver, and I can't fault her for either. I will say I don't think she's an idiot, and I think fans saying she didn't (at any point) understand the possible ramifications are underestimating both her intelligence and her ethics as an artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbuHassan1992 766 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 It might not be rape in the non-consensual way but if you disregard the known meaning of the song, the lyrics and video make it seem like she is allowing herself to be used as a s-x object. I think if she was going to stick with the song's official meaning that she should have abandoned the s-xual theme. It is disturbing and makes people uncomfortable. I believe that Gaga should push boundaries but she should be empowering women, not encouraging them to allow themselves to be objectified. This is the way I see it anyway. I can understand that this is a way for them to hit back at the media but Gaga needs to look at herself and wonder why she is allowing 2 perverts to use her as a way to get their message across. I'm not her for gaga being PC so that she can be a perfect rolemodel or someting. This concept is interesting, and I'd like to see the whole thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORRORHOLIC 104 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 what exactly did r kelly do with children? He raped dozens of underage girls over the years. He hung out at schools, bought them stuff, paid off their parents, bullied and threatened them and their family etc... And before you say he was found not guilty, you need to understand there were a lot of different tapes and it was settled out of court. Before they could testify he even sent one of the girls family on vacation for half a year and gave the father credit for playing bass on his album when the man didn't even play bass. There have been suicide attempts and many lives ruined because of what he did. The most famous of the videos was leaked and it was with a then 13 year old Reshona Edwards from the band 4 The Cause and cousin of singer Sparkle who Kelly had performed with in the past. The video not only shows Kelly having s-x with her but he actually pisses on her at one point. A lot of people were saying it was Sparkle that was pimping her out to him too. There were several other videos with underage girls found in his home but they couldn't be used as evidence because there wasn't a proper search warrant. It was all technical BS. But one of the girls did identify herself, R. Kelly and the other girl in the video (it was her best friend) as being the girls shown in the video. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxckk 959 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 i dont even understand how people are saying "the video is about rape" "she gets raped" "shes glorifying rape" when we haven't even seen the full thing, most of you also do realize that TMZ have picked these clips out deliberately so that they can report that she is promoting rape. For all we know, the rest of the video is tame, my understanding of the video was that she goes unconscious in surgery and dreams about HAVING SEX (NOT BEING RAPED) by R.Kelly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpadesToStart 3,460 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I see where people are coming from with the whole unconscious thing, but ultimately the lyrics "do what you want with my body" are a resounding form of consent. If there's consent, no matter what happens, it's not rape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The problem is everyone is conjecturing based on an in incomplete product. You all are making up a story about the video which may be completely false if you saw the whole thing. At worst she's using rape as a metaphor to illuminate the songs meaning and societies rape of artistic soul and celebrity. As usual though many can't be bothered to look below the surface even if the song spells it out explicitly. It's not the job of the artist to worry if they are offending someone's sensitivities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopBitch 1,218 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The article that called this video an "ad for rape" came out RIGHT before the leak (which is super bizarre because you know MORE places than just TMZ have it if Page Six was releasing rumors about it yesterday). It refers to this section that wasn't in the :33 second teaser : But even if that didn't exist. YOU'RE STILL FEATURING ALLEGED RAPISTS IN A MUSIC VIDEO ABOUT SEX AND RELINQUISHING CONTROL. It's just so... insensitive. It makes her look terrible. She's cultivated an image of caring about people and being strong and doing the right thing and being compassionate... and then works with two notorious alleged s-xual predators. At best, it makes her look stupid and desperate. At worst, it makes her look like she's trivializing victims. Bingo on all of your points. And I have been on sites where these men were mentioned and I am stunned by how many young women, children, teens have been s-xually molested, assaulted, groomed. It can be strangers, family members, trusted family friends, people in power. Their stories are heartbreaking and affect them for years to come, even their whole life, their self-esteem, issues in relationoships, s-x. The statistic is one in six females will be a victim of attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. And then there is Gaga with two s-xual predators, of all collaborators, making this type of video where she is being d--gged and objectified and used by them, fantasy or not.. Insensitive is an understatement coming from someone who is all about empowerment and self-esteem and wanting herself to be viewed as a strong female. I would expect something so insensitive and desperate coming from Miley Cyrus, not Gaga of all people. Really bizarre considering R. Kelly's victim was d--gged. The video in court, the description of the younger teen was her eyes were vacant, not there. He married Aaliyah when she was 14 or 15. until the mom got it annulled. Her mother said he ruined her daughter's life. It's who she worked with on this type of video that is disturbing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boneknuckleskin 776 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Everyone can handle things in their own way. Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it's wrong if it bothers someone else. Furthermore, if you have something to say to me, say it. Stop hiding behind passive aggressive pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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