ryhanna 3,507 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The video does not send a wrong message. Is it telling you that rape is good? No. People trying to find a way to make it seem like it's an ad for rape or that it glamorises rape are being drama queens. Please, almost all of the controversial things she does only the stans defend. Does that make every controversial thing she's done bad? I think not. And good on someone to call out people as the "usual suspects" who like to criticise Gaga every chance they get. No, it's not telling you that rape is good. It's telling you that it's okay to make a song a s-xually charged music video with rape themes starring two alleged rapists. That's the only problem that there is with it, honestly. I can't change the fact that it makes me uncomfortable. I still love Gaga… I just think she went the wrong way this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye 3,947 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Yet you dismiss the possibility that its the stans who are wrong. Because of course. Anyone who says anything that criticizes Gaga must be in the wrong. Anyone who criticises Gaga on most if not all things, I take their view with a pinch of salt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boneknuckleskin 776 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The article that called this video an "ad for rape" came out RIGHT before the leak (which is super bizarre because you know MORE places than just TMZ have it if Page Six was releasing rumors about it yesterday). It refers to this section that wasn't in the :33 second teaser : But even if that didn't exist. YOU'RE STILL FEATURING ALLEGED RAPISTS IN A MUSIC VIDEO ABOUT SEX AND RELINQUISHING CONTROL. It's just so... insensitive. It makes her look terrible. She's cultivated an image of caring about people and being strong and doing the right thing and being compassionate... and then works with two notorious alleged s-xual predators. At best, it makes her look stupid and desperate. At worst, it makes her look like she's trivializing victims. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bye 3,947 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 No, it's not telling you that rape is good. It's telling you that it's okay to make a song a s-xually charged music video with rape themes starring two alleged rapists. That's the only problem that there is with it, honestly. I can't change the fact that it makes me uncomfortable. I still love Gaga… I just think she went the wrong way this time. It doesn't matter who stars in it. Besides are they found guilty of their crimes? I don't blame you guys for your opinions, but the main theme of the music video is addressing all the negativity surrounding you. Yes, Terry's and R. Kelly's issues are more severe than Gaga's, but have you ever thought that the two guys reputation was tarnished in the same manner as Gaga's, but no one cared to defend them. I think all the **** that is said about R.Kelly and Terry Richardson is all bull****, but they know the truth so they don't get wrapped up in the ****-talking, just like Gaga herself has been subjected to? The video is symbolism of all the ****s they give, which is zero. So much so that they are mocking them and calling the GP out for even believing in them which is what (once again) the song is about. "Say what you want" but I know the truth and **** the haters. Like the song the video is about the media and the criticism it makes on stars. People are going up in arms because they either don't understand the song itself of which the video is an extension of or they're drama queens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 It doesn't matter who stars in it. Besides are they found guilty of their crimes? That doesn't matter though. Maybe they aren't guilty. Maybe they're actually great people who are very friendly and kind. It's just that when you combine the allegations against these two particular people with the themes of DWUW and the video, it doesn't really come off well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroe 24 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 That doesn't matter though. Maybe they aren't guilty. Maybe they're actually great people who are very friendly and kind. It's just that when you combine the allegations against these two particular people with the themes of DWUW and the video, it doesn't really come off well. Which is why the video is important, but the GP won't see your view (or mine). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Then I guess everyone except stans who are emotionally invested in defending Gaga are drama queens then. No, just the ones who are making assumptions and pretending to know exactly what happened and exactly what was going on in Gaga's mind at the time. Just the ones who are refusing to factor in the fact that the video was never released and it was Gaga's decision. Just the ones who are refusing to consider Gaga's frame of mind at the time and her ability to make the best decisions. If I really felt all the things, that you said about Gaga, about ANYONE I was a fan of, I would drop them in a New York minute and never look back! If you truly feel all those things, how can you...as a fair, just, compassionate, caring human being, justify being a fan of someone like that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 No one said you had to applaud her. (this is where the hysterics come in...) One day you will understand...or maybe you won't...and maybe no one around you will understand you either. You were basically arguing that it was so generous of Gaga to not release it, because it could have really helped her on the charts. I'm saying that I'm not going to commend her for not releasing something that should have never been made. (That's not hysterical. Neither is the word "applaud" (it's called a pun). Don't try to dismiss me with ad hominem attacks. It's transparent and just sad. If you think you're right, argue it. Don't try and insult me. That's why I'm not calling you a delusional stan who can't even spell the word 'objective'.) But seriously. Cut the ****. What you're saying is that if I planned to rob someone, but then I didn't, I should be celebrated for not doing so because I could have made a ton of money from it. But the reality is I shouldn't have been planning to rob someone in the first place. You don't commend someone for not doing something bad. People just shouldn't do bad things. So no, I don't care if the video could've made DWUW #1. It should have never been made and definitely should have never been released. And honestly, if I ever produced a product, whether it be schoolwork or professional work, that trivialized s-xual assault and supported alleged s-xual predators, I hope people would call me on my ****. I hope people would demand better from me. I hope that people wouldn't just try to excuse it by saying "Oh he meant well" or "But he's a good guy". I hope people would make ME understand. If my product was so widely interpreted with such a rape-associated message, that would mean A) I either did trivialize s-xual assault or B) my product was of such poor quality that no one could actually interpret it correctly. So either way, I have to change how I approach my product. Either way, **** went wrong with this video. Either her execution was so piss poor that it looks like she's supporting R. Kelly and Terry while trivializing their (numerous) s-xual assault allegations. Or she actually did support R. Kelly and Terry while trivializing their (numerous) s-xual assault allegations. Furthermore, if this ever happened to me, I wouldn't be silent on it. I would either learn or I would explain or I would apologize. I would do something to make sure this never happens and to try and remedy the current situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkin 100 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Yall need to stop dismissing people who are genuinely disturbed by the footage we saw. Rape is real s***, its real life, it happens every few seconds. It is mentally and physically damaging, it destroys lives. This conversation and the implications of her work is way bigger than a simple music video. It doesn't exist in a vacuum. It doesn't matter what her intended message was when it has such widespread exposure potential, people are going to take it for face value. That in itself is a problem. It perpetuates the whole blurred lines aspect of consent. Don't overestimate the GP's ability to read between the lines, because they won't. There will be people out there who subconsciously internalize and reinforce false ideas about rape and consent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 You were basically arguing that it was so generous of Gaga to not release it, because it could have really helped her on the charts. I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Anyone who criticises Gaga on most if not all things, I take their view with a pinch of salt. But anyone who thinks that she rarely or has never made a mistake, they are way more credible. I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth. What she did do, though, is keep the video from being sent out...even though it kept her from getting a BB Top 10 in the US. It also would have helped the song tremendously outside of the US...probably sent it to #1 in Canada and all over Europe. So what were you saying when you said this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Which is why the video is important, but the GP won't see your view (or mine). Sorry, could you please explain what you mean? I don't understand what you're trying to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So what were you saying when you said this? That she did the right thing. She pulled it and took responsibility for not sending it out. That's it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 No, just the ones who are making assumptions and pretending to know exactly what happened and exactly what was going on in Gaga's mind at the time. Just the ones who are refusing to factor in the fact that the video was never released and it was Gaga's decision. Just the ones who are refusing to consider Gaga's frame of mind at the time and her ability to make the best decisions. Let's start with this. You are saying that the people who pretend to know "exactly what was going on in Gaga's mind at the time" are drama queens. You ALSO say that "the ones who are refusing to consider Gaga's frame of mind at the time and her ability to make the best decisions" are drama queens. Do you need me to explain how contradictory that is or can you just tell? If I really felt all the things, that you said about Gaga, about ANYONE I was a fan of, I would drop them in a New York minute and never look back! If you truly feel all those things, how can you...as a fair, just, compassionate, caring human being, justify being a fan of someone like that? Because she IS better than this. That's why I'm not defending her on this. She is above this type of product, message, and theme. She is smarter than this. She is more sensitive than this. She is more compassionate than this. This is not indicative of her personality. And that is why I'm not just going to explain it away or excuse it or be an apologist. It's out now and she needs to respond to the video. That she did the right thing. She pulled it and took responsibility for not sending it out. That's it. Even though it could've been really beneficial for her, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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