How is the music video of DWUW "an ad for rape"?!

[Larkin 100]

Like Gaga said she didn't have a lot of time. I get the impression that this was not well thought out AT ALL.

She wasn't in the best place during the time she filmed this as well. It was probably a last minute rushed idea that turned out to be very different from what she imagined. Hopefully the reason that it was pulled was out of a responsible social obligation to her fans and victims of s-xual assault, and not out of obligation or loyalty to Terry and Kelly's careers. But there are a multitude of possible reasons not to show this music video. 

 

Thank you. This is what I meant about "arguing semantics". Yes, she can be giving consent through the lines "do what you want with my body", but consent doesn't really work that way. Consent is an ongoing thing, it's not finite. The moment she is unconscious, she can no longer give consent.

 

@ willy

exactly. for instance the s-xy nurses moving her arms to dance while shes unconscious. it just comes off soooo abusive. 

[ryhanna 3,507]

Thank you. This is what I meant about "arguing semantics". Yes, she can be giving consent through the lines "do what you want with my body", but consent doesn't really work that way. Consent is an ongoing thing, it's not finite. The moment she is unconscious, she can no longer give consent.

 

Plus, we can not ignore the people who she is working with. These are people who are notorious for allegations of s-xual assault. She should have never touched this. 

Absolutely. I love Gaga, and this isn't a "witch hunt" kind of thing, but I think she made a mistake with this video and she should have thought it through more. Not releasing it was the right decision, but who knows if it was Gaga's decision or not? It kind of worries me that there's the possibility that Gaga knew exactly how it looked and still wanted it to be released. 

[Willy Wonka 4]

Absolutely. I love Gaga, and this isn't a "witch hunt" kind of thing, but I think she made a mistake with this video and she should have thought it through more. Not releasing it was the right decision, but who knows if it was Gaga's decision or not? It kind of worries me that there's the possibility that Gaga knew exactly how it looked and still wanted it to be released. 

No. Not at all! This is a "oh the same people are complaining again". No. And exactly, it concerns me that this was ever even filmed. That at no point did she step back and say "Wow, maybe this isn't the best idea." The music video was conceptualized, filmed, edited, and then someone along the lines said "No, we shouldn't release it." Honestly, it upsets me that this was ever even filmed to begin with. I love her and I look up to her so much. She should know better than this. Especially since she's implied that she's been a survivor of s-xual assault herself. This just look so apathetic and insensitive, not to mention flat out unintelligent.

Honestly, no part of this was a good idea.

[Larkin 100]

No. Not at all! This is a "oh the same people are complaining again". No. And exactly, it concerns me that this was ever even filmed. That at no point did she step back and say "Wow, maybe this isn't the best idea." The music video was conceptualized, filmed, edited, and then someone along the lines said "No, we shouldn't release it." Honestly, it upsets me that this was ever even filmed to begin with. I love her and I look up to her so much. She should know better than this. Especially since she's implied that she's been a survivor of s-xual assault herself. This just look so apathetic and insensitive, not to mention flat out unintelligent.

Honestly, no part of this was a good idea.

spill that tea. I'm diggin all of your posts right now. She should know better. I feel bad for the fans who may be strongly triggered by such scary implications, and insult to injury to have your idol promoting it. The implications man, the implications. 

[Whispering 18,865]

The article that called this video an "ad for rape" came out RIGHT before the leak (which is super bizarre because you know MORE places than just TMZ have it if Page Six was releasing rumors about it yesterday). It refers to this section that wasn't in the :33 second teaser :

 

 

But even if that didn't exist. YOU'RE STILL FEATURING ALLEGED RAPISTS IN A MUSIC VIDEO ABOUT SEX AND RELINQUISHING CONTROL. It's just so... insensitive. It makes her look terrible. She's cultivated an image of caring about people and being strong and doing the right thing and being compassionate... and then works with two notorious alleged s-xual predators. At best, it makes her look stupid and desperate. At worst, it makes her look like she's trivializing victims.

 

That rumor isn't confirmed. The video didn't show that exchange.

 

You knew this all along. R. Kelly was always in this video. We've seen the pictures and Gaga "warned us" months ago. You act like this is brand new, shocking information. I guess it is, in essence, for those who tend towards hysterics.

 

Gaga IS caring and compassionate, but that doesn't mean she is perfect. It also doesn't mean there won't be times in her life or career that she will make some decisions that aren't the best. What she did do, though, is keep the video from being sent out...even though it kept her from getting a BB Top 10 in the US. It also would have helped the song tremendously outside of the US...probably sent it to #1 in Canada and all over Europe. She also took responsibility for it, saying that it wasn't her best effort. She didn't blame R. Kelly or the media or anyone else.

 

Also, remember that Gaga was in the middle of clinical Major Depression. No one is thinking through things correctly, when they are in the grips of Major Depression! She ended up making the wise decision, once she saw the results. She wasn't stupid and desperate. She was depressed and trying to communicate the meaning behind her song. When she realized that it wasn't good, for several reasons probably, she did "do the right thing".  

 

If you live long enough, you will end up doing things that will make zero sense when you look back at them. I hope you have people in your life that are mature enough to understand that everyone messes up or does things they regret.

[ryhanna 3,507]

No. Not at all! This is a "oh the same people are complaining again". No. And exactly, it concerns me that this was ever even filmed. That at no point did she step back and say "Wow, maybe this isn't the best idea." The music video was conceptualized, filmed, edited, and then someone along the lines said "No, we shouldn't release it." Honestly, it upsets me that this was ever even filmed to begin with. I love her and I look up to her so much. She should know better than this. Especially since she's implied that she's been a survivor of s-xual assault herself. This just look so apathetic and insensitive, not to mention flat out unintelligent.

Honestly, no part of this was a good idea.

That's what really confuses me. She's implied/alluded to that a few times now, and if she herself has been s-xually assaulted then I just don't understand how she'd be comfortable with this? 

[Bye 3,947]

That's what really confuses me. She's implied/alluded to that a few times now, and if she herself has been s-xually assaulted then I just don't understand how she'd be comfortable with this?

Because even after going through what she did she knows that this was not an ad for rape. It's only drama queens who are not getting it.

[Willy Wonka 4]

That rumor isn't confirmed. The video didn't show that exchange.

 

You knew this all along. R. Kelly was always in this video. We've seen the pictures and Gaga "warned us" months ago. You act like this is brand new, shocking information. I guess it is, in essence, for those who tend towards hysterics.

 

Gaga IS caring and compassionate, but that doesn't mean she is perfect. It also doesn't mean there won't be times in her life or career that she will make some decisions that aren't the best. What she did do, though, is keep the video from being sent out...even though it kept her from getting a BB Top 10 in the US. It also would have helped the song tremendously outside of the US...probably sent it to #1 in Canada and all over Europe. She also took responsibility for it, saying that it wasn't her best effort. She didn't blame R. Kelly or the media or anyone else.

 

Also, remember that Gaga was in the middle of clinical Major Depression. No one is thinking through things correctly, when they are in the grips of Major Depression! She ended up making the wise decision, once she saw the results. She wasn't stupid and desperate. She was depressed and trying to communicate the meaning behind her song. When she realized that it wasn't good, for several reasons probably, she did "do the right thing".  

 

If you live long enough, you will end up doing things that will make zero sense when you look back at them. I hope you have people in your life that are mature enough to understand that everyone messes up or does things they regret.

I'm sorry, this is a little different than when she accidentally said the word "retarded". This was a full blown music video. This wasn't an accident or a slip-up. This was planned and executed. 

 

Furthermore, no. We knew R. Kelly would be in the video. Duh. But all we had seen were pictures of him and Gaga dancing together. I was not aware that he was going to give her anesthesia and then do whatever he wants to her body. That's some next level ****, but it's also cool that you're just trying to dismiss me as hysterical. 

 

No, I'm not going to applaud her for not releasing something that should've never been made to begin with, no matter how much it could help her career. That's not the point and you bringing it up is just a way to defend and celebrate her. 

 

Yes, she was depressed. Yes, people think differently. But I find it hard to believe that no one ever tried to stop her and say "This is a terrible idea." Plus, depression does not just explain everything away. Depression does not make people randomly come up with rapey appearing videos.

 

I love her, but I'm just not going to try and explain this away. I'm not going to try and make excuse after excuse for her. I'm not going to be an apologist. This was wrong on so many levels. It should've never gone as far as it did. It reflects poorly on her and everyone involved.

[ryhanna 3,507]

Because even after going through what she did she knows that this was not an ad for rape. It's only drama queens who are not getting it.

I've already explained what I find uncomfortable about the video and I'm not a drama queen, so no, that's not true. 

[Bye 3,947]

I've already explained what I find uncomfortable about the video and I'm not a drama queen, so no, that's not true.

It's my opinion that it is true, however.

[ryhanna 3,507]

It's my opinion that it is true, however.

So I'm a drama queen for maturely expressing my views on why this video sends the wrong message whilst maintaining the fact that I still love Gaga, but that I felt that her intentions were simply lost in the themes?  

[Willy Wonka 4]

Because even after going through what she did she knows that this was not an ad for rape. It's only drama queens who are not getting it.

 

It's my opinion that it is true, however.

 

Then I guess everyone except stans who are emotionally invested in defending Gaga are drama queens then.

 

Because it's really just the stans defending it. And I think that's the most telling thing about this.

[Bye 3,947]

So I'm a drama queen for maturely expressing my views on why this video sends the wrong message whilst maintaining the fact that I still love Gaga, but that I felt that her intentions were simply lost in the themes?

The video does not send a wrong message. Is it telling you that rape is good? No. People trying to find a way to make it seem like it's an ad for rape or that it glamorises rape are being drama queens.

Then I guess everyone except stans who are emotionally invested in defending Gaga are drama queens then.

 

Because it's really just the stans defending it. And I think that's the most telling thing about this.

Please, almost all of the controversial things she does only the stans defend. Does that make every controversial thing she's done bad? I think not. And good on someone to call out people as the "usual suspects" who like to criticise Gaga every chance they get.

[Whispering 18,865]

I'm sorry, this is a little different than when she accidentally said the word "retarded". This was a full blown music video. This wasn't an accident or a slip-up. This was planned and executed. 

 

Furthermore, no. We knew R. Kelly would be in the video. Duh. But all we had seen were pictures of him and Gaga dancing together. I was not aware that he was going to give her anesthesia and then do whatever he wants to her body. That's some next level ****, but it's also cool that you're just trying to dismiss me as hysterical. 

 

No, I'm not going to applaud her for not releasing something that should've never been made to begin with, no matter how much it could help her career. That's not the point and you bringing it up is just a way to defend and celebrate her. 

 

Yes, she was depressed. Yes, people think differently. But I find it hard to believe that no one ever tried to stop her and say "This is a terrible idea." Plus, depression does not just explain everything away. Depression does not make people randomly come up with rapey appearing videos.

 

I love her, but I'm just not going to try and explain this away. I'm not going to try and make excuse after excuse for her. I'm not going to be an apologist. This was wrong on so many levels. It should've never gone as far as it did. It reflects poorly on her and everyone involved.

 

No one said you had to applaud her.   (this is an example of hysterics)

 

One day you will understand...or maybe you won't...and maybe no one around you will understand you either.

[Willy Wonka 4]

The video does not send a wrong message. Is it telling you that rape is good? No. People trying to find a way to make it seem like it's an ad for rape or that it glamorises rape are being drama queens.

Please, almost all of the controversial things she does only the stans defend. Does that make every controversial thing she's done bad? I think not. And good on someone to call out people as the "usual suspects" who like to criticise Gaga every chance they get.

Yet you dismiss the possibility that its the stans who are wrong.

 

Because of course. Anyone who says anything that criticizes Gaga must be in the wrong.