NOTHING IS WRONG WITH GAGA.

[mic 1,415]

The general public has never LIKED Gaga.. they were intrigued by her and in most cases made fun of her. She's the girl with a dick and she wore a meat dress and she's worshipped by the gays and copied Madonna... That's been the GP opinion of Gaga but THE FANS were always there to silence them with their efforts to keep her music alive. If the MILLIONS of fans that used to go to bat for her still did the success controversey that this fanbase is consumed with would suddenly disappear.

It sounds a lil bit too dramatic, during TF and TFM era everyone were crazy about her openly or secretly. It was her artistic choices which turnt GP off. So oh well - happened. Also being a fan is not about liking and streaming the **** out of thing that is just not as good as used to be.

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

any musician (or any one with a musical ear and a brain) can certainly tell you alejandro has been surpassed by many many many of her more current songs. youre projecting your personal tastes. 

 

venus, swine, applause, s-x dreams, these all are legit better written than alejandro and many of her fame material. 

Quite the contrary. Check out this article on why her old music was so genius: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/03/lady_gaga_s_bad_romance_owen_pallett_explains_the_pop_diva_s_genius_using.html

[aaronyoji 2,054]

Quite the contrary. Check out this article on why her old music was so genius: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/03/lady_gaga_s_bad_romance_owen_pallett_explains_the_pop_diva_s_genius_using.html

actually it only proves my point, all the songs i listed are in minor key. applause-G minor. s-x dreams- C minor. swine- G minor venus- F minor judas, my favorite- C minor

 

yeah some of her older hits are written in a minor tonality as well, so using the scales as an excuse to say theyre better doesnt work, cuz she has a lot of more current songs in minor tonalities as well. 

 

 

also, there isnt a lot of smarts to that article. it a--lyzes the elements in her hits, but to say they're hits because of those elements based off of a noticeable pattern is near sighted-its like what willy wonka, the member, says: "chronological doesnt mean cause" just because gaga wrote 8th patterned stutter hooks that happened to become hits doesnt mean they are better than using syncopation like how she does now. take born this way for example: "ooh there aint no other way" is syncopated, yet its catchy as hell, and the song happened to go number 1 for six weeks, focusing on those facts alone, it destroys that article's argument. also, using too many 4th/8th type rhythms is nauseating. poker face's verses of "i wanna hold em like they do in texas plays" is too "dun dun dun dun dun dun" its like a hammer and hardly a melody. it will never sound natural, and to me is part of the reason why her early work is very contrived and amateur sounding. 

 

and on the note of bad romance, it became a hit because it's writin gis nothing short of monotone. yeah its the ****, i like the production, theres nothing wrong with the song, but taking into account how well its received by the mainstream (which is not exactly the beacon of taste) does not make the quality of something better. theres many non popular tracks by gaga that are better written than bad romance, but because they didnt become huge and pulsated pop culture, they wont ever be seen that way. 

 

monster for example, i find it to be much better than bad romance, at least the verses/pre chorus. if it had a better chorus and a hoover synth to boot, it would surpass bad romance as a song. 

[XoXoJoanneGaga 629]

I strongly disagree

Being a Gaga fan was actually cool in her earlier years. There were never that many "hardcore" Gaga stans, and especially not today. The devoted Monsters that you say were responsible for the success of Bad Romance and the like were largely made up of casual fans who were buying into her brand at the time because she was cool, and her music was fresh and amazing. I personally know tons of people from high school who used to buy all her songs and now they could care less about her.

 

You're acting like Little Monsters are responsible for the 500m views that Bad Romance got, or the 6m sales in the US. But there were never that many hardcore fans, even in her prime. People wouldn't have bought into her image and music if it hadn't been so good, and fresh, and if she hadn't marketed herself so well. Now the opposite of all that is true. So yes the problem does lie with Gaga, but the good news is that it's on her to turn it around and she's fully capable of doing that.

[Mister G 10,427]

Literally nothing has changed with Lady Gaga. She's still doing what she's been doing. So why has she not been churning out the hits and chart positions and youtube views? Most people are going to say because the general public is over her and she's just the ultimate flop and **** like that. But that's not true. The main reason for this is...........................................................................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Little Monsters have gotten lazy. 

 

Gaga never had the general public. She's always been the outcast doing the things that no one else would dare to do because it was purely suicidal if they tried. For instance. Dance music was not the thing to do in 2008 it was urban pop. Gaga wanted to make a dance record and like she always has been, she was met with criticism from her management and label. The Fame was almost not even allowed to be released because of it's vast differences from what was currently being played and bought. Interscope took a chance because Akon would not shut up about her and Jimmy Iovine being the genius for talent that he is decided to roll the dice after all. But do you blame him for being skeptical? Gaga had zero ZERO notoriety and they were going to put out an experimental dance album. Odds are the album should have flopped but guess what it didn't. It got off to a slow start with a little promo but then something happened. She started a legion. She struck a chord. That chord grew to a melody. That melody became a song. And that song became an album. And that album became a legacy. Almost overnight. Suddenly this woman who carries a glowing Disco Stick and dressed like a hooker is registering for people- the outcasts. The people who were not content with a superficial pop star anymore. The tide was rising and rising fast. Fans (not yet labeled as Little Monsters officially) called radio stations relentlessly and watched her videos over and over and over again because they believed in what they saw and what they were hearing. On a fateful night in 2009 the pop star Lady Gaga became a pop queen with one of the most memorable and shocking performances in VMA history. You all know which one...... This set the stage for a follow up to the album that should have never been. The Fame Monster. To be honest this is when it happened. This is when Gaga became unstoppable. She had dubbed her fans as Little Monsters and herself was Mother Monster... as corny as some people find it now it was truly remarkable at the time because hell, what pop star had ever given her fans a name? 

 

Bad Romance is not a cookie cutter pop song. It was absolutely weighted and doomed- even Jimmy Iovine said this and blasted Gaga and her producer (redone) for wanting it to be the lead single from The Fame Monster. The demo leaked- critics croaked but little monsters said "**** you, watch this". They posted the video on their twitter, fb pages, myspace accounts (damn that was a long time ago eeek!) and once again hounded their stations to play that song. Bad Romance is the only song to ever be certified as diamond by the RIAA (female). Did that happen because people sat around and talked about how much of a flop it was going to be because it was so experimental and because the general public wouldn't like it? NO. It was pure ambition by the fans. Why do you think she loves us so much? This continued and success was just coming because the train was moving full speed ahead. Gaga was a juggernaut. Her peers started altering their wardrobes, videos, and production to try and keep up but she had them covered. 

 

Every time I log into this forum I see everyone clamoring over what she should be doing next or what she's doing wrong. What about what she's doing right? We are the most passionate fanbase in the world.. don't believe me? Look at what we have done so far. We have taken that passion and turned it away from ambition and into cynicism. Gaga can still be great we just have to get back to what brought us here. If all the energy that little monsters put into the backlashes were being put into youtube, requests, sharing, and spreading ARTPOP would still be doing what TF and TFM and yes even BTW did. 

 

Paws up. I'm not going anywhere.

This post is next to godliness :legend:

[jojo Freud 653]

I will attempt I have become more of a micro-manager than a fan. I haven't promoted or suggested songs to radios since the born this way era. I will attempt I have become lazy. GUY is an great song, on the Australian iTunes it was quickly moving up the charts (I think it peaked at 60 dont quote me on that) and that was mainly because of the airplay of that song. Then suddenly radios stopped playing the song, I never hear it again and thats because people dont suggest it anymore. The song went from charting to not even in the top 200 within like a day. Whenever I listen to GUY I cant help think how much this song would have slayed and the blame other people for making it "unsuccessful" when I really should also be blaming myself.  

 

Despite this, I will NEVER leave gaga and Im sure that many people just say this but I mean it with all of my heart and soul.   

[HeavyPunkLover 2,120]

Betrayals is a stan thing, you really think ANYONE in the GP (and believe me I been one of "them" for the longest time, only to turn into a stan with ARTPOP) thinks about any of those things? You only notice it when you follow her.

Video for every song? Never heard of it, Delaying an app? Never knew she even had one. Hype for ARTPOP? Never knew she was supposed to put out a new album.

Stop thinking as a stan for a second and look at the bigger picture.

I was talking about her fanbase... That is shrinking like a penis in cold water

[TheFame Monster 8,944]

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[LilVenusian 579]

 

-Overall I appreciate your sentiment, but everything cant just be blamed on the fans. Its all part of a perfect storm. Even back in the TF/TFM days Gaga herself had such an eye of the tiger and ambition. She literally fought for her place, hustled every club, met with every radio producer etc. You've got to admit shes not serving that kind of ambition anymore and shes becoming kind of content. This is pretty normal though, after earning a spot many many pop stars feel they have nothing all that much to prove anymore and therefore feel no need to keep shoving themselves and their work down the worlds throat, to put it bluntly. At the end of the day whatever will be will be. Maybe some commercial struggle is going to be good for gaga in the larger picture. Maybe it will inspire her to come back with some of that earlier ambition, only time will tell, but blaming everything on the fan base is kind of silly. Every pop star, even with the biggest, most dedicated fans go through lows as well. It just happens, and its usually for a multitude of complex reasons...   

[FGGrayson 9,670]

yaaaas!!!

[Slayer 9,227]

Sorry, I think this is a ridiculous excuse. Gaga just isn't at her peak anymore. It happens to everybody famous. It has nothing to do with fans being "lazy." Her fans have requested songs to be played on radios, they've bought the album, they've handed out freaking flyers on the streets to advertise the album, and one fan recently got his dad to put Gypsy in a slideshow which was shown to 700 people. So don't tell us we're not "doing a good enough job" and don't care as much. The simple fact is Gaga's music doesn't appeal to the public at this moment in time. And like it or not, the public does determine whether she sinks or swims. 

 

But ultimately there's nothing to worry about. Gaga's sold as many albums as her contemporaries this era, she's got a sold-out tour and she still puts on great performances. Every career has its peaks and troughs and currently she's experiencing a bump in the road. It doesn't mean she's come to a dead-end. 

[Karandr 150]

I don't think I agree entirely. You can't blame the poor performance of ARTPOP on the fans -- who else wants the album to succeed more (aside from the artist and their managment) than the fans? 

 

Bad Romance was successful because it was fresh, different, and exciting. That still happens today -- the Gangnam Style video blew up because it was different to anything we had seen, it was crazy, and the song was fresh. But that didn't happen because Little Psy-sters were out on the streets putting posters up and making #GSTYLEVIDEOSOON trend worldwide -- it happened because it was good and it was new, and it just happened.

 

Gaga also just happened. The "Wrecking Ball" video just happened. When things happen -- burst out of nowhere in colour and spectacle and execution and excitement, that's when they blow up, just like Gaga in 2009. 

 

But this era isn't happening. ARTPOP came with two years of build-up, immense hype, promises, "planning" and ideas, but it never happened because the plans were laid bare. It's going to do this, and this, and this, it's amazing, trangressive, it'll even make you coffee. But not all of it happened, and the gaps were very obvious. The app was and continues to be a joke. There was a 6-month gap between music videos despite plans to have one for every song (remember that? oh lordy lordy). The songs themselves were good -- but two-years-in-the-making good? Uninspired collaborations, questionable associations with R Kelly and the ongoing thing with T*rry... it just didn't happen. Nothing could live up to that hype. Compare ARTPOP to Beyonce's surprise album -- there was a mountain of expectation for Bey's new album, but nobody had heard boo from her about it, not even a release date. So when it came out, it just happened.

 

That's my overly-long opinion. Don't blame the fans -- I preordered ARTPOP on iTunes, I bought a physical copy and I got tickets to her show. I posted links to new songs and videos on Facebook and told anyone who would listen that she had new music out, but that didn't make the radio play DWUW or G.U.Y.

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Paws up! I'm gonna stay till the very end!

[iloveit123 130]

You are somewhat wrong on the general population thing not being into Gaga. When my family and friend's families were talking about her in 2009-2010, the general population was into her, lol. This is always my gauge. Also when an assortment of people at work were bringing her up.

 

Yes, they thought she was weird, but they liked her music and listened to it as they drove in their SUV's, and checked out her shows too, out of interest. They ain't listenin to Gaga in their SUV's no more. An artist needs casual listeners too if they want to be really massive.

 

Core fanbase can only get you so far, HOWEVER it is great when an artist can keep that core base because they may not be as massive, but will still be able to do their craft as their career continues toward the end of it's first decade and beyond. And the interesting thing about the casual people is that they sometimes come back on a subsequent release if it can break through that SUV barrier, lol.

[iloveit123 130]

I don't think I agree entirely. You can't blame the poor performance of ARTPOP on the fans -- who else wants the album to succeed more (aside from the artist and their managment) than the fans? 

 

Bad Romance was successful because it was fresh, different, and exciting. That still happens today -- the Gangnam Style video blew up because it was different to anything we had seen, it was crazy, and the song was fresh. But that didn't happen because Little Psy-sters were out on the streets putting posters up and making #GSTYLEVIDEOSOON trend worldwide -- it happened because it was good and it was new, and it just happened.

 

Gaga also just happened. The "Wrecking Ball" video just happened. When things happen -- burst out of nowhere in colour and spectacle and execution and excitement, that's when they blow up, just like Gaga in 2009. 

 

But this era isn't happening. ARTPOP came with two years of build-up, immense hype, promises, "planning" and ideas, but it never happened because the plans were laid bare. It's going to do this, and this, and this, it's amazing, trangressive, it'll even make you coffee. But not all of it happened, and the gaps were very obvious. The app was and continues to be a joke. There was a 6-month gap between music videos despite plans to have one for every song (remember that? oh lordy lordy). The songs themselves were good -- but two-years-in-the-making good? Uninspired collaborations, questionable associations with R Kelly and the ongoing thing with T*rry... it just didn't happen. Nothing could live up to that hype. Compare ARTPOP to Beyonce's surprise album -- there was a mountain of expectation for Bey's new album, but nobody had heard boo from her about it, not even a release date. So when it came out, it just happened.

 

That's my overly-long opinion. Don't blame the fans -- I preordered ARTPOP on iTunes, I bought a physical copy and I got tickets to her show. I posted links to new songs and videos on Facebook and told anyone who would listen that she had new music out, but that didn't make the radio play DWUW or G.U.Y.

 

You are so right on the "surprise" element of things just happening. Sometimes an artist needs to surprise people to get them to wake up. Too much planning and hype can ruin things. I think an artist should definitely try the surprise thing if the overly-planned/hyped stuff starts to fail. And of course the music needs to be good too, so maybe a change up from what was failing before is in order. And at the end of the day, it is impossible to predict what is going to catch on and become massive, but artists definitely need to keep listeners on their toes.