Cody Draco 2,531 Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share Posted May 21, 2014 I made this thread to give Katy Perry and Prism's concept a chance because I didn't want to just dismiss it as a bubble gum pop album without allowing someone to guide me as to what "Let the light in" and "Prism" and "Prismatic" are supposed to mean. I don't understand how I'm being pretentious by making this thread. I'm being open minded. :excuseme: I guess after reading all of the replies there is not a concept really at all and there isn't much art in Prism. Thank you everyone who replied, I appreciate it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 17,817 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I made this thread to give Katy Perry and Prism's concept a chance because I didn't want to just dismiss it as a bubble gum pop album without allowing someone to guide me as to what "Let the light in" and "Prism" and "Prismatic" are supposed to mean. I don't understand how I'm being pretentious by making this thread. I'm being open minded. :excuseme: I guess after reading all of the replies there is not a concept really at all and there isn't much art in Prism. Thank you everyone who replied, I appreciate it. The concept of Prism is about taking the struggle of everyday life and dealing with it maturely. She actually said it in an interview when the album came out, but it's understandable that most members here don't know about that because they hate Katy so why would they watch her interviews About the lyrics and how involved she is in the creative process, she actually talked about it, here it is: Perry said: "As a team we have certain strengths, with Max, it's melody choices, Luke is production and I'm topline and melody. Working with Bonnie McKee is like an emotional abuse session, Bonnie and I argue [like] we're in the ring fighting for the best lyric". Two months later, McKee revealed that Perry and herself wrote four tracks together and added that they were more "grown up". The following month, McKee also stated: "Well, you know, we work with [producers] Dr. Luke and Max Martin, they're like melodic geniuses..... [Luke] and [Max] come back [to us] with the track and we kind of find the story within the track". And about the darkness: She was originally planning a darker sound because she didn't let the light in yet, but along the recording sessions she found the self-help book The Power of Now (hence her song This Moment) which made her change her mind and go into a different direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMTT 160 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Still, I understand what you're saying, but to not recall KATY HERSELF talking about writing is interesting... Yet everyone around her speaks for her on the topic I honestly think you're just looking too much into it. I know there are interviews where's talked about writing songs, but I'm not gonna go looking for them, ya know? Maybe it's like gaga talks too much and katy talks too little haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray of Light 8,134 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 ARTPOP was never really pretentious; Gaga herself was. And Katy, well, there's not much I can say there. I guess technically speaking, ARTPOP was more pretentious than PRISM (knowing that Katy used the dark comments as a joke due to the albums light theme). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman 6,179 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Neither. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Draco 2,531 Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share Posted May 21, 2014 The concept of Prism is about taking the struggle of everyday life and dealing with it maturely. She actually said it in an interview when the album came out, but it's understandable that most members here don't know about that because they hate Katy so why would they watch her interviews About the lyrics and how involved she is in the creative process, she actually talked about it, here it is: And about the darkness: She was originally planning a darker sound because she didn't let the light in yet, but along the recording sessions she found the self-help book The Power of Now (hence her song This Moment) which made her change her mind and go into a different direction. Thank you, this is exactly everything I wanted and needed to know. You are amazing! I don't personally hate Katy, I just don't really care for her music. This shows me how and why she makes music. You are highly appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebe 158 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Neither albums are pretentious but the way Gaga presented ARTPOP was and is pretentious. She had a brilliant idea that was poorly executed. The music is not pretentious at all and both albums are good in their own way. Prism is more mature in terms of themes and sound from Katy's previous work. ARTPOP is...well just Gaga being Gaga. Both albums are good considering the artists that made them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 17,817 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Thank you, this is exactly everything I wanted and needed to know. You are amazing! I don't personally hate Katy, I just don't really care for her music. This shows me how and why she makes music. You are highly appreciated. I'm happy I could help :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Monster 846 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Not that I.m defending Katy Perry. but Picasso said "Every child is an artist. the problem is how to remain a artist once we grow up." That´s actually an interesting thought Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Monster 846 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 not really, we all love Gaga and ARTPOP but stop the delusion please! Well, for me ARTPOP is the best album that I ever heard and I couldn´t even finish listening Prism, cause it´s just so bad... Really, comparing Gaga´s talent, creativity and her musical innovations to an "artist" that struggles to hit every single note and recycles the same song for 5 years... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMTT 160 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well, for me ARTPOP is the best album that I ever heard and I couldn´t even finish listening Prism, cause it´s just so bad... Really, comparing Gaga´s talent, creativity and her musical innovations to an "artist" that struggles to hit every single note and recycles the same song for 5 years... You sound ridiculous though--and rude! Gaga and Katy are equals; they are both pop stars. Gaga has more vocal finesse, yes, but both were born with raw, naturally talented voices. Katy just never perfected hers. You critique katy for rehashing songs, yet.. Poker Face -> Bad Romance -> Judas -> Scheisse -> Venus Same progressions, same structure, everything. Gaga is very, very repetitive with her work, probably more so than even katy. Her eyes are far more distinctive, yes, but that's not always a good thing, when sometimes her unusual metaphors and imagery are just too strange and meaningless. Bottom line, Katy and gaga both worked really, really hard to get to where they are and they both deserve all the success they've gotten. When people are stupid to say/assume otherwise, it pisses me off, because it shows their ignorance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagz 2,579 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Bottom line, Katy and gaga both worked really, really hard to get to where they are and they both deserve all the success they've gotten. :applause: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic 1,098 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well, for me ARTPOP is the best album that I ever heard and I couldn´t even finish listening Prism, cause it´s just so bad... Really, comparing Gaga´s talent, creativity and her musical innovations to an "artist" that struggles to hit every single note and recycles the same song for 5 years... I see what you mean, I could take you, implying Katy's talents are nothing compared to Gaga's (Although Katy is also very talente imo, just not so vocally-educated). My point was to say that their actual STUDIO outcomes do NOT discern much from each other, they both have put out good but SAFE pop music out this time with PRISM and ARTPOP I enjoy ARTPOP more too, I listen to it from start to end, and in your opinion PRISM is very bad but I love tracks 1 through 7, I mostly don't listen to the rest, not because I think it's bad, but I just don't have a connection with Katy's deeper lyrics. However, in that case, I feel like she actually had more meaningful songs than Gaga. So lyrically PRISM 'could be' better than ARTPOP, I don't know if Katy wrote those songs herlself the same way I don't if Gaga did. I didn't have coffee with them during writing sessions like some people here think they did. But ARTPOP only has Dope and Gypsy (Everything else is s-x, fame and fashion). As for the music itself, they both had some of the best producers outhere right now. While Katy plays it safe with catchy classic pop songs, Gaga plays it 'not any riskier' with EDM-influenced sounds that might sound outworldly in our ears but I'm pretty sure they were produced in same planet and even country as Katy's. Neither of them has pulled out yet a 'Ray Of Light' tbh. But look at Beyonce, she really didn't play it safe at all this time and succeeded. Comparing her self-titled album to ARTPOP and PRISM is like comparing Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel Ceiling to 2 high school's final works for art class. And she didn't even have to be pretentious about it and that's what this is all about. Just imo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMTT 160 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 ^^^ I like what you're saying a lot. I hate how people say ARTPOP is deeper than prism, when ARTPOP is literally about s-x, d--gs, and fame (sans dope and gypsy) and prism is about real relationships with two people. Like, what kinda convoluted logic? But as much as I say I dislike ARTPOP's lyrics, I still listen to it quite often. I think it's her catchiest album yet and her most interesting production; it's just a shame 90% of the lyrics are mediocre at best, mostly really bad, because it could've been her best album :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Monster 846 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 ^^^ I like what you're saying a lot. I hate how people say ARTPOP is deeper than prism, when ARTPOP is literally about s-x, d--gs, and fame (sans dope and gypsy) and prism is about real relationships with two people. Like, what kinda convoluted logic? But as much as I say I dislike ARTPOP's lyrics, I still listen to it quite often. I think it's her catchiest album yet and her most interesting production; it's just a shame 90% of the lyrics are mediocre at best, mostly really bad, because it could've been her best album :) I'm sorry but how can you say that ARTPOP is not deep enough??? Really think about Aura, Venus, G.U.Y, Dwyw, ARTPOP, Swine, MJH, Dope, Gypsy, even Applause... Some of her deepest songs ever! How can you not understand all the deep messages in this album??? Because it's not written in a serious way, it doesn't mean that it's not there... Not to start a war here, but I really think that ARTPOP is much better than Prism in every single way... I really don't wanna argue over albums, everyone has some preferences but in terms of quality, it's undenyable that Gaga is far ahead of Katy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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