VforVendetta 2,024 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Ok look how angry you're getting. Calm down, everyone else is calm. You're mistaking my opinion that the album is bad as me saying that is fact and that everyone else should think so. You're wrong, I couldnt care less what others think, I'm actually really happy people love the album. Music is music, like what you like! Can you please get off my back? Haha you're the only one fighting, from this point forward especially :) Obviously I was very angry and it was not your opinion that made me angry but they way you expressed it. I found it very rude to the people you were talking to and to Gaga and her work. Maybe I missunderstood your post and I am sorry but its not my fault but yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMTT 160 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Maybe I missunderstood your post but its not my fault but yours. ok? ThT makes no sense, but it needs to be dropped. No point in arguining. Sorry I came off as aggressive in your opinion. Just know that all that I'm saying is opinion, and I was only saying things like "mess" or "delusional" to ignorant, oblivious, and stupid things people were saying--not CALLING them that. Ok? And I won't apologize for being critical of gaga's work. You can think I'm being rude to her, but I'm not, I'm being very fair. Obviously not all fans have to like everything she does, and clearly I don't. She couldn't care any less, so what does it matter if I speak freely about what I believe to be the weakness of ARTPOP ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy scheisse 22,254 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 omg this thread is so much drama :popcorn: anyway, I think that Prism is in no way pretentious. Based on the tracks I've heard, it's just fun pop music. I can see how one would construe ARTPOP to be pretentious...sort of. Like I thought Applause was so pretentious the first time I heard it. After Gaga explained the song, though, I changed my mind. Same goes for the whole "ARTPOP" term. I still don't know exactly what it means lmao, but what I've gathered leads me to believe that Gaga is just rly misunderstood--and she's a boss which comes off as being a b---h since she's a female. Her ARTPOP could mean anything. I rly think she's just an artist that takes herself and her music seriously in a field where she is automatically deemed a brainless-puppet, and she is trying to make other people see that she is not the stereotypical popstar--but ppl dont want that. and instead she comes off as being "Try hard" and "pretentious" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael 533 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 ARTPOP. More pretentious and miles better. I love it for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 The difference is Gaga takes her music seriously so she's deemed pretentious Katy Perry doesn't take her music seriously so it's not considered anything but basic pop Stream my new single, 💜"Heartbeat"💜, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMTT 160 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 The difference is Gaga takes her music seriously so she's deemed pretentious Katy Perry doesn't take her music seriously so it's not considered anything but basic pop My question is this: whether or not gaga takes her music seriously (Katy does as well, btw, the only artist who doesn't care at all is Britney), it doesn't make it good, necessarily. I think it is good, I'm just saying. ARTPOP vs. prism. What makes ARTPOP better than prism? They are both pop, and they both showed evolution for the artists (please don't quote me saying prism isn't mature if you hasn't listened past the first half or past the singles). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Most pretentious Katy lyrics - the line about making out listening to Radiohead in that TD single. Ultimate hipster band. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 My question is this: whether or not gaga takes her music seriously (Katy does as well, btw, the only artist who doesn't care at all is Britney), it doesn't make it good, necessarily. I think it is good, I'm just saying. ARTPOP vs. prism. What makes ARTPOP better than prism? They are both pop, and they both showed evolution for the artists (please don't quote me saying prism isn't mature if you hasn't listened past the first half or past the singles). ARTPOP sonically is much better. Prism is very simple and sounds like TD. ARTPOP is a growth in lyrical writing. Katy doesn't write so... ARTPOP has a message that I find much more deeper and challenging. PRISM... Well... The only thing I keep hearing about Prism is let the light in. I don't hear that message in any song. The ONLY song on Prism that I feel showed any growth compared to TD is Spiritual. Stream my new single, 💜"Heartbeat"💜, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMTT 160 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 ARTPOP sonically is much better. Prism is very simple and sounds like TD. ARTPOP is a growth in lyrical writing. Katy doesn't write so... ARTPOP has a message that I find much more deeper and challenging. PRISM... Well... The only thing I keep hearing about Prism is let the light in. I don't hear that message in any song. The ONLY song on Prism that I feel showed any growth compared to TD is Spiritual. I get the "simple" comment! But only some of it sounds like TD--definitely not the latter half, anyway. You can't expect an artist to completely change every record, that isn't a good idea. She took some of TD's sound for the pop half, and evolved musically (even If just a little) the other half. I don't believe AP is a growth lyrically, not in te slightest. It has some truly horrible lyrics, whereas BTW had some really amazingly written songs. Prism, though not amazing, showed growth in lyrics, at least a little better than TD. I get your idea about the messages. To me, ARTPOP is entirely a feminist record, every song is about s-xuality, strength, and femininity. However I disagree about you not finding prism's theme. How can you not find that concept in the music? Roar, unconditionally, ghost, love me, this moment, double rainbow, BTGOG, ITT, CYB. They all convey that idea. And the other songs that don't necessarily convey tha are all happy and about love. Instead of dwelling on the failure of her marriage, she found even stronger love in another man, and the act reflects that, thus, "let the light in". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I get the "simple" comment! But only some of it sounds like TD--definitely not the latter half, anyway. You can't expect an artist to completely change every record, that isn't a good idea. She took some of TD's sound for the pop half, and evolved musically (even If just a little) the other half. I don't believe AP is a growth lyrically, not in te slightest. It has some truly horrible lyrics, whereas BTW had some really amazingly written songs. Prism, though not amazing, showed growth in lyrics, at least a little better than TD. I get your idea about the messages. To me, ARTPOP is entirely a feminist record, every song is about s-xuality, strength, and femininity. However I disagree about you not finding prism's theme. How can you not find that concept in the music? Roar, unconditionally, ghost, love me, this moment, double rainbow, BTGOG, ITT, CYB. They all convey that idea. And the other songs that don't necessarily convey tha are all happy and about love. Instead of dwelling on the failure of her marriage, she found even stronger love in another man, and the act reflects that, thus, "let the light in". I'm not saying Prism had to be a DRASTIC change, but it's just nothing that immediately tells you she's grown in any way. If anything...she fell from cotton candy heaven and came back down to earth :megaflop: At least ARTPOP was written by Gaga and the lyrics are unique. I can't give Katy credit to the lyrical content and it's "growth" cuz someone else did it for her... Prism's only "pretentious" moment was when she put seeds into the CD packaging... The overall message to me is just as confusing as "ARTPOP could mean anything". You can't really tell what it's exactly about, but I can tell that Gaga put MUCH more thought into ARTPOP's concept and visuals compared to Prism... Stream my new single, 💜"Heartbeat"💜, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMTT 160 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I'm not saying Prism had to be a DRASTIC change, but it's just nothing that immediately tells you she's grown in any way. If anything...she fell from cotton candy heaven and came back down to earth :megaflop: At least ARTPOP was written by Gaga and the lyrics are unique. I can't give Katy credit to the lyrical content and it's "growth" cuz someone else did it for her... Prism's only "pretentious" moment was when she put seeds into the CD packaging... The overall message to me is just as confusing as "ARTPOP could mean anything". You can't really tell what it's exactly about, but I can tell that Gaga put MUCH more thought into ARTPOP's concept and visuals compared to Prism... Lmfao @ your first paragraph's a--logy haha And I hate when people say she doesn't write her songs. You literally have no proof of that whatsoever. For the record, ARTPOP shows more co-writers than prism lol what do you mean "someone else did it for her"? No, she wrote every single song on the album. Sure there were a few co-writers, but I'd rather an artist wrote most of a song herself and get a few other writers tweak it to make it a decent-to-good pop song vs. an an artist who writes the song herself and it makes no seenzs and has stupid lyrics :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyTheNight 5 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well, it´s like comparing Picasso to a two-years-old kid´s drawing on the wall Not that I.m defending Katy Perry. but Picasso said "Every child is an artist. the problem is how to remain a artist once we grow up." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Lmfao @ your first paragraph's a--logy haha And I hate when people say she doesn't write her songs. You literally have no proof of that whatsoever. For the record, ARTPOP shows more co-writers than prism lol what do you mean "someone else did it for her"? No, she wrote every single song on the album. Sure there were a few co-writers, but I'd rather an artist wrote most of a song herself and get a few other writers tweak it to make it a decent-to-good pop song vs. an an artist who writes the song herself and it makes no seenzs and has stupid lyrics :P Let's be real...the co-writers are the producing rights. Gaga does this out of her kindness and appreciation...she doesn't have to. Not that they "wrote" anything and even if they did it was very small. The amount of writers for such a basic song as Roar is amazing to me...the way I see it...Katy probably comes up with the concept/topic/theme and the writers work around that, so the credits say the origin of the song came from Katy. Regardless of how people want to bash Gaga's writing skills, at least she writes her own songs. People will never take that away from her. That's what makes the music more raw and personal. Stream my new single, 💜"Heartbeat"💜, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester 6,306 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I don't think there's a concept behind Prism, I don't think there's Katy Perry behind it either so.... P.S. Welcome to GagaDaily! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauser 1,262 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 ARTPOP is pretentious by definition because she is basically telling people that her music is kind of above the rest instead of letting the music speak for itself. Like someone saying "look at me! look at me! Im an artist". At some point people say "we get it, you're an artist" and it seems really forced. Katy well...she promised a darker sound and era but I cant see that ever happening with her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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