Drowning, Not Waving: The Bitter End of Lady Gaga's Career

[Bye 3,947]

This was a great read, and I agree with the vast majority of it.

 

Also I think she became a little bit full of herself, feeling untouchable.

And why do you think this? When has she ever given any indication that she thinks she's untouchable?

[Pop 4,541]

Another sensationalistic piece by a bad journalist trying to cash in on Gaga's low moment.

[soundwave 193]

Even when Gaga sells extremely similar numbers to the pop girls on top at the moment, she's called a flop. I don't get it, I just don't get it, I've already forgotten even though you just said it

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

*facepalm*

 

The sooner that people realize "My ARTPOP could mean anything" is one of the most prophetic, perfect lines Gaga has ever written the sooner they will stop calling it Pretentious. 

 

ART is not just paintings, finesse, and elegance. Its open to Interpretation. The Good-Sis Gags will hold strong to her beliefs.I can't at people holding on to the want for her to name Act II something different not associated with ARTPOP. 

 

The people claiming that there is no "ART" in ARTPOP need to free their minds and explore new ideas of what "ART" can mean. Gags has talked about it a ton this era and i think shes gotten to the point (which peaked during the DWUW semi-era) where shes stopped trying to explain the concept because she knows some people get the beauty of it. I think not even 20% of the GP really understands the concept. Its kind of sneaky, but at the same time its blatant and obvious and ambiguous. Some people see an empty box as an empty box, other people see a home, a castle, a thing to use for storage, a thing you have s-x in  .

That line really kind of explains "my ARTPOP could mean anything" perfectly.. at least from how I understand it.

 

 

I love you all #ARTPOP  

[Runway 27,876]

Still getting them inbreds pressed and obsessed though

[Zilla 13,384]

Not news and just posted in news to get attention, just like this article.

I've grown to not care anyway. Article is biased and written to garner attention and it already has

[Celina 118]

Gaga has an amazing voice and the latent, AP isn't a bad album but she needs to drop all the other stuff and just focus on the music again rather than banging on about grand art concepts (or whatever AP is supposed to be)- which simply no-one is buying into

 

She has been focusing on the art since the beginning, though. She said herself that "ARTPOP" is not exactly a new concept. She has never solely focused on music and left it at that - it has always been about the full package with her. Asking her to drop "all the other stuff" is basically asking her to drop a huge part of herself and who she is as an artist.

Exactly ! It's just...her worst idea. It sounds pretentious and the music really is just pop music, there's nothing artsy in it. And let's not talk about her "explanations" for her latest works.

 

The point was never to stray from making pop music though.

[lairofhk 934]

My artists friends all find Gaga unbearable now whenever she talks about her "art." She is very naive and isn't being taken seriously by the artistic community. Koons, Abramovic, and the vomit chick are clearly just jumping on the ride for self-promotional reasons.

Pretty much, yea. It has absolutely no substance. Which sucks because Gaga's work really did use to have substance - like it was commenting on something, or poking fun at something, etc. Now it's just pretty much her being like "Oh Im such an artist, I live for my art, I'm so spiritual", blah blah blah. Def not the Gaga we all knew and loved. Honestly though at the Roseland shows, she seemed kind of how she used to be - more relatable and just fun, not too pretentious or anything. Hopefully she starts doing that more, she really just needs to drop the "Art" shtick, it's stupid. 

[Eighteen 5,430]

Um...actually the whole "art" thing is quite potentially the reason her career has taken a severe nosedive and why ARTPOP turned off a lot of people, including a lot of her fans. The pretentiousness/pseudo-intellectualism has GOT to go. Like...its much harder to relate to her as a person when she's babbling away about weird intellectual/abstract artistic concepts that honestly make no sense. She's a pop star for a reason, and its what she does best. Of course it's important for her to evolve, but the whole "art" thing is honestly her being kind of full of herself and her being out of touch with reality. So, actually, I hope Gaga listens to fans who are GROUNDED and see through the bull****...and not to fans like you who can't seem to think for yourselves. 

 

this is a bit harsh and misguided tbh. the music is different which is why the reception, while still good, hasn't been as good as it usually is. i also see nothing wrong with supporting gaga no matter what and your criticism of that is also kind of harsh. 

[Dann 354]

We all know ARTPOP has fail most of us. For me at this time it does. She not having what she used to have, Of course she's amazing and we love her BUT BE REAL AND ADMIT ARTPOP do horrible.

[Celina 118]

*facepalm*

 

The sooner that people realize "My ARTPOP could mean anything" is one of the most prophetic, perfect lines Gaga has ever written the sooner they will stop calling it Pretentious. 

 

ART is not just paintings, finesse, and elegance. Its open to Interpretation. The Good-Sis Gags will hold strong to her beliefs.I can't at people holding on to the want for her to name Act II something different not associated with ARTPOP. 

 

The people claiming that there is no "ART" in ARTPOP need to free their minds and explore new ideas of what "ART" can mean. Gags has talked about it a ton this era and i think shes gotten to the point (which peaked during the DWUW semi-era) where shes stopped trying to explain the concept because she knows some people get the beauty of it. I think not even 20% of the GP really understands the concept. Its kind of sneaky, but at the same time its blatant and obvious and ambiguous. Some people see an empty box as an empty box, other people see a home, a castle, a thing to use for storage, a thing you have s-x in  .

That line really kind of explains "my ARTPOP could mean anything" perfectly.. at least from how I understand it.

 

 

I love you all #ARTPOP  

 

[lairofhk 934]

this is a bit harsh and misguided tbh. the music is different which is why the reception, while still good, hasn't been as good as it usually is. i also see nothing wrong with supporting gaga no matter what and your criticism of that is also kind of harsh. 

Of course I still support her and her well being, her success, etc. I just really disagree with the direction she's gone in, and believe she has made some pretty awful decisions artistically in the past couple years or so, and that some of them have caused her to become less likable. Of course i cant tell her what to do but Im allowed to have my own opinion as a fan. I'm not going to blindly agree with everything she says or does. I just feel she needs some fresh perspective, she seems like trapped in her own mind or something. Like...if you listen to interviews of her talking about "Art" and whatever, she legitimately makes zero sense. Personally I think she herself doesn't quite know where to take her career at this point. 

[Neal 768]

*facepalm*

 

The sooner that people realize "My ARTPOP could mean anything" is one of the most prophetic, perfect lines Gaga has ever written the sooner they will stop calling it Pretentious. 

 

ART is not just paintings, finesse, and elegance. Its open to Interpretation. The Good-Sis Gags will hold strong to her beliefs.I can't at people holding on to the want for her to name Act II something different not associated with ARTPOP. 

 

The people claiming that there is no "ART" in ARTPOP need to free their minds and explore new ideas of what "ART" can mean. Gags has talked about it a ton this era and i think shes gotten to the point (which peaked during the DWUW semi-era) where shes stopped trying to explain the concept because she knows some people get the beauty of it. I think not even 20% of the GP really understands the concept. Its kind of sneaky, but at the same time its blatant and obvious and ambiguous. Some people see an empty box as an empty box, other people see a home, a castle, a thing to use for storage, a thing you have s-x in  .

That line really kind of explains "my ARTPOP could mean anything" perfectly.. at least from how I understand it.

 

 

I love you all #ARTPOP  

Well said.

 

And keep educating the misguided ones, Biotic. 

[Antidote 95]

 

 

And why do you think this? When has she ever given any indication that she thinks she's untouchable?

For example with some of her speeches between the songs on stage at some performances.

I can't really put it into words, maybe also my english fails there, I don't know how to say it

I always loved her emotional and powerful speeches but the last time (also at the last festival she did) she talked like her words are the full truth and it came across a little bit full of herself, that's how I felt about it. Like she loves to hear herself talk a little bit too much. Also the speeches about "art in pop" etc. she just tries to hard...

It seemed to me that when there's so many people (fans, critics, also around her on her team)around you who praise you for everything you do, you become arrogant. We all would probably

It's healthy if you have someone who tells you honestly what's not good and maybe that was missing when she reached her peak and was so successful.

For example Zedd once said in an interview that when he told her that a song isn't album material Gaga just silenced and he felt that she wasn't used to this...but he thinks that this is important to make a good album. Maybe she could have needed more honest people around her at some time.

 

I don't know how to explain it it's just a feeling that I have, but in the end we will never know what' s going on behind the scenes

[Haunts 7]

Exactly. A different title would make a world of difference. She's never been able to coherently explain why she named this album like that. "My ARTPOP could mean anything" - too bad it means nothing instead.

Sorry I just opened the page and your comment was there, this conversation is interesting. I was just thinking about that the other day and how the expectations for ARTPOP were to be literally about art, the way ARTPOP (song) talks about the process of art.

 

ARTPOP is much more interesting because it could mean ANYTHING. And that's the way art is. If she made an album with songs that were easily understood, it would not have served the art part of the record, it would have been an exposé about art. Was it Adam Levine who called her an art teacher? If ARTPOP were explicitely about art, by like talking about it or making (even smart) statements about art, it wouldn't have been art, she would have been an art teacher.

The greatest thing about ARTPOP is that it could mean anything. You could link all the songs to feminism, to identity, to s-xuality... among other themes. If she named the album "Applause" explaining that the record is about who she is as a jester, giving you a view into her mind, process and identity, it would have made perfect sense. She could have named it Addictions and every song would have fit that theme: addiction to s-x, to attention, to d--gs... In the same way, it could have been named something related to passions or obsessions (remember the manifesto talking about the celebration of obsession). She could have named it Adrenaline because of the different rushes you feel listening to it...

Born This Way and The Fame (+Monster) were titled that way so that you could see a recuring theme, a thread that made the album coherent. But how are LoveGame, Just Dance or Eh Eh about Fame? Don't think of ARTPOP as defining the content of the album, think of it as defining the concept of the record.

 

She made an album that is purposefully bluring its own meaning, so that you have to immerse yourself in it. The title ARTPOP does not define the album, so that she does not tell you what to focus on. When you listen to The Fame Monster you have that urge to think about the darker implications of the songs, because you know it's about Monsters and the after Fame life. When you listen to Born This Way you wonder how that song relates to identity, being yourself or finding who you are. You are enclined to search for the inspiring part of the song. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, on the contrary, it guides you to find the most interesting parts of the record.

But now with ARTPOP, she does not confine you to think about anything when listening. If anything, she tells you to appreciate the artistry that went in it.

 

The album is so smart because the songs are exploring the full spectrum of pop music (whether it is pop ballads, pop r'n'b, electro pop, pop rock or creatively mixing genres) while the lyrics and structures are full-on art (up to a plethora of different interpretations) without purposefully talking ABOUT art. It is ART-POP.

The only song talking about Art is ARTPOP and it's right in the center of the album for a reason. It's a reminder to get your head in this art space, to feel what you're listening while keeping in mind the process of it. It's like "You're listening to Art, I've made it understanding all its implications, tuning every single second of every layer of sound. I'm self aware of what I've made, you may not understand it but it is not a random fit of songs." She's basically saying she knows what she's doing. ARTPOP the song is also so musically different because, as I said before, by talking about art it's not art. It's an inferno, it doesn't follow a progression, it's just there as a guide.

I see people saying she's bull****ting when she says that ARTPOP is about breeding creativity but ARTPOP (song) tells you to love the process of creating. I don't remember her ever talking so much about the process of creating the songs. I find it fascinating that the first song she produced by herself is about the goddess of feminity and love. How Sexxx Dreams was that 10+ hours psychedelic labor or love with only her getting the concept, or how I Wanna Be With U found its right voice once she got clean and is now so much better as Dope.

She even performed purposefully altered/demo versions of songs 2 months before the launch of the album so that you could see the different steps of creation. She has never ever shared an unfinished version of an official song with us before. The iTunes fest had so much significance. Dropping instrumentals at the Versace Versus show, putting music from the "ARTPOP experience" in her septum piercing video... It's all part of it.

This theme of highlighting the process is also there in her fashion. You have her wearing a paper dress, highlighting the craftmanship of it, same with the plastic Gareth Pugh dress or even the ARTPOP chair. That's also where the significance of the dreads come from, that **** is hand crafted and that's the first thing you think of when you see dreads, how the hair was made into dreads.

I mean, the booklet of ARTPOP is the behind the scenes shoot of the cover. The ARTPOP film, the leaked footage from the ARTPOP shoot with Inez & Vinoodh, taking off her wig, taking off her makeup... Sharing the blueprints of Volantis, showing her in her first beta testing... The Abramovic method video and how it helped her shift her mind to a purer place.

We even saw the inside of her ****ing NYC appartment, when has Gaga shared so much about her process? She started a pretty profound discussion about creativity there, whether you realized it or not.

 

Sorry, I wrote more than I wanted but it irks me when the artistic part of ARTPOP is so underminded. I need people to stop saying ARTPOP is about nothing and finding the nuance between "nothing" and "anything". It is a very new concept but we're gonna look back on this era in a big way, I'm sure of it.