Is the Gaga hate a trend or a consequence?

[tokyodisko 0]

If you wanna stay, stay. If you wanna leave, Leave. Same as for Lady Gaga, and simple as that. I don't see anyone with a gun forcing you to love her as an artist. even for hate, each is horrible anyhow.

 

lol No. I don't hate her. If you think I do, you need to lighten up your attachment to Gaga and reread my posts. 

Emilie Autumn's music literally saved my life, but I think her last album was dull as hell. 

Doesn't make me any less of a fan. 

 

Why do you always have to write in your threads with how much you dislike ARTPOP and take always as a fact that it is not good enough? There are people who love it here and we find it offensive you know. I thought you wanted our opinions so why do you take yours as a fact?

As for the OP I have to disagree. It is no coincidence that when she was the IT girl everyone was kissing her ass and sudenly everyone disliked everything. It IS a trend to hate Lady Gaga because she is controversial and she seems untouchable so people forget that she is also a human. People are creul, they want to see successful people decay and fall from one day to anothe and the opposite. The Lady Gaga of TF era was not less co controversial, she was just new back then and she could do no wrong. This Gaga evolved, this is the healthy course of things and everything alive on this world evolved, only constructed things remain the same. Anyway Gaga has made her choices and she chose to be who she is. The day that the media will kiss her ass again will return sooner or later and for some sunny reason the same will happen with the fans, her biggest critics.

 

Well, first of all I said "I think" a lot in the OP, and well, like most people, you should be able to draw that is implying it's my opinion alone, I said nothing about my word being factual. It is opinion and observation. I like to raise ugly questions and have discussions- this is a message board, no?

Second, I don't hate ARTPOP. I do think that a several of the songs are really bad though(Donatella, verses in Aura) and could have been cut from the album or rewritten. A lot of people seem to feel that way about at least a couple of them tracks, varying from person to person. It's natural with an album with 15 tracks to have some duds. I really love half of the record a lot, but the other half seemed like it was missing something imo. 

The media have always posted **** about her, she was like Miley back in the day- it's just the cycle of pop music, but I don't think the media is solely to blame. Most of her positive articles were about her voice and style, when she was still using some conventional looks.

I find her marketing strategies and persona very interesting, so I don't think anyone should be talked down to for expressing how sometimes it doesn't work and why it might not be working. This thread asked for everyone's opinion, yeah? Yes, it did. 

 

this too.

 

I LOVE ARTPOP. I listen to this album everyday. If you personally don't like it, then just leave.

 

Gurl, no. 

I like some of it. Just because I have some disagreements on the album and Gaga doesn't mean I don't stan for her. Lbr, my ringtone is Sexxx Dreams. 

 

 

Because he thinks his opinions are facts. That's how he presents his opinions.

 

I agree, she has been doing the same things since the first of her career. They build you up...to tear you down!

 

So true! The fans really are her worst critics!

 

Read above, kiddo. "I think" is not factual at all. 

SpadesToStart, on 10 Apr 2014 - 13:49, said:

I'm pretty sure Miley decided to wh*re herself out and do whatever it took to make headlines and be the "it" girl.  All the Miley crap that happened in the 2nd half of 2013 wasn't "Miley finally expressing herself and being free", it was "Miley using her status as a former child star to manipulate the media and the country into talking about her".

Is that bad? That was brilliant marketing. lol

It would have been inevitable anyway, since our society is so against female s-xuality, especially one who they watched grow up.

Gaga used her s-xuality and bis-xuality in Pokerface to work her way up too. Miley was just more shocking this year for some people. 

Mythos, on 10 Apr 2014 - 14:03, said:

I dont see that much hate tbh as you guys, maybe i'm not following any magazines that talk trash about celebrities, but what exactly are we talking about?

The things i know about are:

- the 25 million marketing budget

- the fight with katy

- ARTPOP underperforming

- fans talking **** about Gaga

Is there more?

I have thought a lot about ARTPOP and this whole Era, and i have to say, it wasn't easy for anyone and imo the whole "hate" she got was just a consequence of bad choices she and her team made.

While so many fans talk **** about BTW and blame it for everything, especially for making one Gay song, which is more than ridiculous, she was still selling songs and many people who never liked Gaga before adore TEOG and YAI. And i remember people here in Germany talking **** about her all the time during TFM and BTW Era, but her Music was on point, it was totally with the time, fresh and exciting. The same goes with BTW, it was new, i had to get used to her new sound but it was an adventure i wouldn't want to miss out.

ARTPOP on the other hand is good, i got used after 6 months to many songs, but i know that in few years there will be just two songs i will remember from this album and those are DWUW and Applause, so i'm not wondering of this Album "underperforming" and not being welcomed from the GP like they probably expected.

Another thing that got me so annoyed this Era was the whole hypocrisy. "I make music for my fans and not for the bling, but please buy it as much as possible and gift it to your friends and watch my video as much as possible, here is even a link where you can watch it for 30 times at once" "monsters, dont be bothered by perez... omg, he is at my appartment, help me monsters..." and so on and on and on.

This was for me a shock personally, cause i was used to this strong, independent and mysterious woman and seeing her in totally different light was something i disliked at first and hat to learn to overcome and to ignore tbh.

Well, press loves to gossip but she delivered them many stories, but of course there are some made up, like that 25 million budget thing.

 

 

Thiiiis! I was horrified that she was whoring Applause so much. It came across as so desperate. If she hadn't done that and the song flopped I would still be rooting for her, but she showed a very ugly side to herself this era that completely contradicted the "music not the bling" nonsense, which I don't believe anyway. I'm sure it was circumstances that caused it, because she was depressed, but that shows that sometimes the record label should step in to help her, because she cannot do it alone. People who think she doesn't want to be successful are delusional. She wants to be number one, but she wants to do it in her own way and she needs a support system and some PR help with it.

[MillieBrown 0]

Her new music is just awful.

[tokyodisko 0]

It's niether, people don't hate her at all. It's just a lack of interest.

That's also a good point. Do you think that's a trend or a consequence as well? I think it played into both bits of it. 

Like there is a stigma around Gaga, but also that she did too much too fast and pushed people away. Then left for BTWB and didn't really keep things going between MTN and Applause. A buzz single would have been a good idea, even if it wasn't an album track, while she was recovering from surgery. 

I disagree.  If Gaga had released another album similar to Born This Way, I would have jumped ship. I signed up for dance-pop not stadium rock.  ARTPOP made me believe in her again.

I think a lot of people did, which is why she switched back, but that also caused some BTW fans to leave and her attitude had been very off putting to some fans too. 

[theotherside 0]

Definitely backlash from BTW. It was controversial and not planned out well. Releasing a song entitled Born This Way definitely pushed away SOME people. I'm not saying it ruined her, but there were definitely people who who listened and didn't like the message. Then Judas. The religious references were very unfriendly to many people. And to top it off, it's rough on the ears at first. TEOG and YUYI were good choices imo. She should have ended it there, but she continued with MTN which was her biggest flop yet. Then she was too controversial with things like weed and fur clothing. Now the media just loves to bash her. A decent amount of what they're saying is wrong/twisted. So I guess I'd say it's a combination of both. But I think her problem now is that she's just trying too hard. She just needs to relax and let things come naturally. Besides DWUW I think this era has gone pretty well though. (Not including the charts)

[tokyodisko 0]

In my opinion, it's kind of both. The media loves to build people up and then knock them down, they do it with all major celebs, some more than others. Whilst I'm not trying to say that Gaga does anything with her music that's completely 'out-there' and obscure (it is still pop music at the end of the day), she does have some fairly significant differences in her music compared to most of her contemporaries which means whilst they're pretty much assured hit after hit, Gaga's songs as a whole are more 'hit and miss'. EG. Bad Romance was a colossal hit, but most people can't deny that when they first heard it they would've thought something along the lines of "this is F*cking weird". Alas it was picked up fairly quickly and became huge, so despite not completely adhering to the safe norms of pop music, it didn't affect her or leave her with any 'weak spots' for the media to pick up on. Hence why until present, any negativity about Gaga in the media would've been based on her outfits or things that she's said rather than her music. However, ARTPOP and the singles from it haven't had that same positive effect from 'risk taking' in terms of pop music and that's just how things go sometimes. ARTPOP is no worse than Gaga's previous albums, just circumstances relating to what radio wants at this time have meant it hasn't gotten the same level of 'acclaim' as her previous works, and this is picked up by the media and intensified by their need for 'scandal' in the tabloids.

 

I believe Gaga could've very easily put out an album which catered to exactly what radio wants and could've had a string of assured hits, which does in a way mean that the hate towards her is a consequence, but not because of Gaga's inability to create work that is not on par with her previous works as I believe ARTPOP very much is on par with her older works. I also agree with what I said at the start of this post about the media building you up to knock you down, Gaga had been 'on-top' for a long time, so I guess in a way she was 'over-due' for a slew of hate, so to speak, which does also lead it to being a trend. 

I agree with this. I don't think she will ever put out something typical for top 40, but I don't think people were interested in the music, because she played it safe and the GP had already lost a lot of interest. YaI to Applause was a long gap in the pop industry with a product unique like Gaga's. 

I woud have put a mixed option, but I think too many people pick that instead of actually thinking about one or the other. lol

[tokyodisko 0]

Definitely backlash from BTW. It was controversial and not planned out well. Releasing a song entitled Born This Way definitely pushed away SOME people. I'm not saying it ruined her, but there were definitely people who who listened and didn't like the message. Then Judas. The religious references were very unfriendly to many people. And to top it off, it's rough on the ears at first. TEOG and YUYI were good choices imo. She should have ended it there, but she continued with MTN which was her biggest flop yet. Then she was too controversial with things like weed and fur clothing. Now the media just loves to bash her. A decent amount of what they're saying is wrong/twisted. So I guess I'd say it's a combination of both. But I think her problem now is that she's just trying too hard. She just needs to relax and let things come naturally. Besides DWUW I think this era has gone pretty well though. (Not including the charts)

I think the weed may have helped her image tbh. lol I know some friends who love Stache and MJH, but aren't too keen on most of Gaga's work past TFM. 

TEOG and YUYI were definitely good choices. Judas would have done well as just a club single I think. Hair actually got played on the radio here more than Judas ever did. I think she could have kept it light, while still representing her message. 

Media is media, so that's expected, but I didn't expect Gaga to play into their fight so much, it really made me disappointed and I think that reflected poorly on her, once again I think it was because of her circumstances, but it still hurt her. Switching from DWUW to Venus really screwed her over. :/ And then the R.Kelly backlash made it impossible to recover. I think it was kind of foolish to have him involved anyway tbh, especially when he is promoting an album, because of course the allegations will be dug up again. 

[Born To Slay 10,996]

That's also a good point. Do you think that's a trend or a consequence as well? I think it played into both bits of it. 

Like there is a stigma around Gaga, but also that she did too much too fast and pushed people away. Then left for BTWB and didn't really keep things going between MTN and Applause. A buzz single would have been a good idea, even if it wasn't an album track, while she was recovering from surgery. 

I think a lot of people did, which is why she switched back, but that also caused some BTW fans to leave and her attitude had been very off putting to some fans too.

It's just a decline, no one stays on top forever. That's the unwritten rule of pop music. Gaga's peak 2009-2011 is longer then most artists peaks tbh.

But it's not a trend or consequence because everyone declines. It doesn't many they won't last a long time or anything.

Britney's peak is very comparable to Gaga's tbh, they both reached mega-popularity with there first and second albums but with the third, they declined in popularity simply because the public was getting bored and by the fourth album (both 5 years after debut), the public was just done. It happens to all huge artists and will happen Katy and Miley too.

[tokyodisko 0]

It's just a decline, no one stays on top forever. That's the unwritten rule of pop music. Gaga's peak 2009-2011 is longer then most artists peaks tbh.

But it's not a trend or consequence because everyone declines. It doesn't many they won't last a long time or anything.

Britney's peak is very comparable to Gaga's tbh, they both reached mega-popularity with there first and second albums but with the third, they declined in popularity simply because the public was getting bored and by the fourth album (both 5 years after debut), the public was just done. It happens to all huge artists and will happen Katy and Miley too.

I think so too, but to be honestly I think Miley could have a longer "on top" career, because she has such musical versatility under her belt already and country music, especially country "party" music, is very lucrative. 

[Born To Slay 10,996]

I think so too, but to be honestly I think Miley could have a longer "on top" career, because she has such musical versatility under her belt already and country music, especially country "party" music, is very lucrative.

No, she won't because all people care about is her clothes or lack of. And Bangerz is on par with ARTPOP WW, so Gaga's still in her league.

[tokyodisko 0]

No, she won't because all people care about is her clothes or lack of. And Bangerz is on par with ARTPOP WW, so Gaga's still in her league.

Haha, well people really do talk about her antics, which is why people like her new image. But she's already done so much that has been successful. I mean, even she had her "flop" with Can't Be Tamed. 

I think sales wise, Gaga is in Miley's league and they'll usually stay in the same area, but media coverage for Miley is definitely out of this league with Miley. Same with Gaga in 2009/10/11, so it's not a huge deal. It'll come and go, but the problem is getting people to open up to Gaga again. I think ARTPOP could have done a little better, but not too much better than it did. 

[Whispering 18,865]

UGHHHHHHHH THANK YOU SO MUCH..

 

I am so over this forum and everyone always being nostalgic and caring what other people think. The charts thread is a mess and should be closed in my opinion. Anyways, I think if you like Gaga (which obviously you do since you're on a forum about her) then you should just listen to the music. If you didn't like ARTPOP, okay big deal. State your opinion and drop it. WHy are there always so many threads about negativity or how unpopular she is now. WHO CARES. the internet has made everything so accessible that everything needs to be a--lyzed so much, to the point that people forget what they were critiquing in the first place. 

 

 

It's basically the same people. Haven't you noticed that? They think they are "fooling people" with their "I'm just not into the last era...or last two eras" threads they make, but they are not! I've seen the exact same threads and comments, from the exact same people over and over. No one is fooled by them. We all know who the trolls are!

 

Do you ever notice how they lay low when good things are happening, but the SECOND a temporary weakness seems to pop up or there is an article full of lies about Gaga's charity, they POP UP, ready to start threads and post endlessly for days and days!!

Then, if things turn around or the negative article full of lies, they are so hell bent on promoting, turns out to be false, they "have a life" and don't have time to read the positive news!

 

It is the same handful of people with the same patterns. Everyone knows their game!

[tokyodisko 0]

It's basically the same people. Haven't you noticed that? They think they are "fooling people" with their "I'm just not into the last era...or last two eras" threads they make, but they are not! I've seen the exact same threads and comments, from the exact same people over and over. No one is fooled by them. We all know who the trolls are!

 

Do you ever notice how they lay low when good things are happening, but the SECOND a temporary weakness seems to pop up or there is an article full of lies about Gaga's charity, they POP UP, ready to start threads and post endlessly for days and days!!

Then, if things turn around or the negative article full of lies, they are so hell bent on promoting, turns out to be false, they "have a life" and don't have time to read the positive news!

 

It is the same handful of people with the same patterns. Everyone knows their game!

 

You figured me out. I never compliment Gaga when she does something great. Ew gross. 

[Jenniferella 2,774]

I really don't believe it's a trend...

 

I feel like some of us were just a little bit disappointed by the album and other things she said/done since the era began. 

Something with ARTPOP just sounds off to me but it's just me. I just don't feel the vibes I felt when I listened to TFM or BTW, even older stuff like Paparazzi for example. I sure like many of the songs off the album but not enough to listen to them every day.

The whole DWUW video drama didn't help. I didn't and still don't care about the song (R Kelly ergh) but I feel bad for all of the people in here waiting for it to come out. The fashion has been incredible so far though and I feel like the tour will be great (the 3D stage thing she posted looks really good and the Roseland Show seemed like so much fun). 

 

I just hope she gets rid of this media obsession she's been feeding herself with for months now and just focus on what she likes to do

[tokyodisko 0]

I just hope she gets rid of this media obsession she's been feeding herself with for months now and just focus on what she likes to do

Mhm, I think she is slowly getting over it. She cannot get upset when the media targets her like she did. That becomes a sour taste. 

[Tycho 3,694]

I think it's trendy to hate Gaga.

 

For an artist who is very against the grain its a surprise that she's come as far and be as successful as she has. Yes, she's a genuine star who is very talented BUT she doesn't follow typical conduct of modern day artists. She doesn't fall under the celebrity category, all people can really report about is her crazy fashion. You don't see her breakups or whatever in the papers. She's a classical artist in that way. Almost everything she does is a big pill to swallow for someone who isn't used to it there for a lot of people don't give her a chance or care enough to look up the meaning behind it. I think a lot of people write her off as being fake quite quickly also when really she's being genuine. She has powerful but unpopular opinions. I could go on but I think you get my point by now.