Is the Gaga hate a trend or a consequence?

[tokyodisko 0]

Yeah, you intentionally missed the point with that one, but I kind of expect that.  ;)

 

Campy/Sexy Gaga was four years ago. She isn't coming back, not in that way. True artists grow and evolve and that's what Gaga has done.

 

Luckily, for you, there are tons of campy/s-xy pop girls out there! You can now spend your time on their fan sites!! What a

treat!!!!

Ugh, where is a Liz Lemon eye roll emoticon when I need one? 

 

I think she will be back, obviously not identical. I don't want her to be. Yes, artists change and grow, but I think she can do better than this incoherency. I like that she changes herself and her sound, but she should keep some of what she is established from- that's why most people liked her in the first place. 

 

But back to the point of the thread- yes, her "change" is hurting her image, not because she is being bullied on a media trend. She makes the choices and just gets negative reactions for it. Monsters aren't too keen on that is all and inflate it, because how dare their Gaga do any wrong? 

Every pops star is attacked by media. Miley's headlines were more offensive than Gaga's this past year tbh. They attacked her character, not her music. Boiling Miley down to her s-xuality and saying she is on the verge of a breakdown. Negative headlines just come with the pop star package, no matter how mainstream they are- really, just look at Britney. She was made for mainstream and still got ****. 

[Jeff Kunst 0]

It was both, of course.

I haven't seen or heard any hate for her recently at all though. People outside of here even reacted positively to the vomit performance.

[HYPERCRUSH 42]

ARTPOP*

[Ursula Buffay 73]

I think....... I Think that it's not the media's fault, cuz Miley got way more load of crap within this new era but she succeeded at FORCING people to like her music.

 

I really think it's all about the music, thus, I'd have to say that Gaga hate is a consequence to her bad choices. And in my own fcking opinion, the single chronology for this era is a mess : Applause - Dope (promo) - DWUW - G.U.Y.

 

Anyway, bay bay

[tokyodisko 0]

The hype could've been avoided, maybe not announce the title a whole year before, surprise release like Beyoncé. But still, she tried not to hype it like BTW and fans still overhyped themselves, that's their own fault, yeah Gaga has some blame too but the fans like to blame everything on Gaga

 

Very true. I think the album title announcement was premature too, even if she hadn't hurt herself during the tour. 

A single, album title, and promo about two months before an album release would be great and would have controlled meltdowns. 

 

Nah, just the natural progression of an artist. Like gaga said at SXSW:

 

"I don't really fit in pop music in a way, but I came in through it and I'd like to think that I've changed it in some way so that you don't have to feel like you have to fit into a mold. I didn't have to fit into a mold."

But she wasn't even in a mold back when she made JD and PF. She just extended it further now and she is finding out her limits musically and lyrically. I think she would prefer to be a rock star, but she's better at pop tbh. 

[Miel 15,009]

She definitely had the advantage of "new"/"it" girl during TF/M. She rode that out brilliantly, what with the huge contrast between imagery (I don't know, people love seeing the light go dark, even if Gaga has been kind of odd the whole time [weird thing to point out, people/GP (to use the term loosely) pay attention only at face value, and I think that's why so much of TF/M was successful; it satisfied at face value, while also was deep enough for people who wanted to a--lyze]).

 

When she tries to go bold, in terms of themes and messages, though, it really turns people off. For one, people just don't want to make the effort to understand. That in itself is understandable (kind of?); people see (pop) music as a means of escape and enjoyment, not something meant to be a protest or deep metaphor.

 

Coming off of that, I feel like so many people want to put pop stars, in particular, Gaga, in a sort of box. Whether it be fans, the general public, anybody- Gaga can be weird, but not too weird; bold, but not too bold; so long as their general perception of a pop star isn't destroyed (GP), or as long as their fave is still slaying (stans). On that note, of the stans, I feel it's kind of horrible that people only like Gaga when she's 'cool', or when she's on top- the moment she falls off, she becomes an easy target of scrutiny. "She got too weird", "she got too gay and didn't appeal enough to a straight audience/made me feel uncomfortable because people automatically associated me with queer culture and s-xuality", and such.

 

In that sense, I think Gaga hate is a consequence, but a generally unjustifiable one. Some moments I do understand a "dropping of the stan card". For example, ARTPOP's initial start. Don't get me wrong, it all makes fits together in retrospect, that Gaga was going through a rough time, professionally and personally. But, I have to be honest, it was a very frustrating time as a fan. It really opened my eyes not just to other fans' perceptions and expectations of and towards Gaga, but also of my own.

 

But, I think it's also a trend, also unjustifiable, for the most part. The Perez/Cheng/Buchanan and co. debacle? That was a spectacular example of slander and overall destruction of public perception of Gaga. The worst part? It worked. No person deserves that kind of continuous treatment.

 

OT: On the subject of BTW's hype, I feel like I was the only person who felt that it actually exceeded the hype. I think that's what made it so great for me. I didn't expect the next Bad Romance of TFM or anything (though at the time, that's what I wanted), just something immense. And Gaga delivered exactly just that, and then some.

 

BTW era was messy as fück, but it is also my favorite. G.U.Y./Roseland is definitely creeping up there, though. The last month was a very good time in Gaga land, SXSW and Jimmy Fallon performance included.

[tokyodisko 0]

It was both, of course.

I haven't seen or heard any hate for her recently at all though. People outside of here even reacted positively to the vomit performance.

Really? O.O Where? I only heard negative things about it, aside from a couple theatre kids I know. haha 

But I've only seen good stuff about GUY so far. I think the issue is getting the GP to warm up to her again. 

I think....... I Think that it's not the media's fault, cuz Miley got way more load of crap within this new era but she succeeded at FORCING people to like her music.

 

I really think it's all about the music, thus, I'd have to say that Gaga hate is a consequence to her bad choices. And in my own fcking opinion, the single chronology for this era is a mess : Applause - Dope (promo) - DWUW - G.U.Y.

 

Anyway, bay bay

I agree with all of thiiiiis. 

[Redstreak 6,653]

She didn't need to have someone vomit on her to break boundaries. 

She shouldn't repeat herself, but it's a terrible idea to do something that will get basically zero positive press and expect to do well. 

 

It's not like the logical jump is from equality through music and message to injecting Boticelli into pop music to being puked on to represent expelling negativity in life.

 

We live in a fascinating world and Gaga is a smart girl she could have done something else. But it's what she wanted, and that's why I don't think she is a victim at all. 

If she does that kind of thing, she will get negative reactions.

she didn't have to do anything she did to break boundaries, there are literally limitless options. It sounds like you're basically boiling down her options for validation and only what gets her good press counts. Back in her heyday, the vomit thing would have worked in her favor, you can bet on it. But now that we're in a lull, she can only do wrong. The highlights of her career that fans hold on pedestals would be ripped to pieces if done today. It's just the time were in.

[tokyodisko 0]

She definitely had the advantage of "new"/"it" girl during TF/M. She rode that out brilliantly, what with the huge contrast between imagery (I don't know, people love seeing the light go dark, even if Gaga has been kind of odd the whole time [weird thing to point out, people/GP (to use the term loosely) pay attention only at face value, and I think that's why so much of TF/M was successful; it satisfied at face value, while also was deep enough for people who wanted to a--lyze]).

 

When she tries to go bold, in terms of themes and messages, though, it really turns people off. For one, people just don't want to make the effort to understand. That in itself is understandable (kind of?); people see (pop) music as a means of escape and enjoyment, not something meant to be a protest or deep metaphor.

 

Coming off of that, I feel like so many people want to put pop stars, in particular, Gaga, in a sort of box. Whether it be fans, the general public, anybody- Gaga can be weird, but not too weird; bold, but not too bold; so long as their general perception of a pop star isn't destroyed (GP), or as long as their fave is still slaying (stans). On that note, of the stans, I feel it's kind of horrible that people only like Gaga when she's 'cool', or when she's on top- the moment she falls off, she becomes an easy target of scrutiny. "She got too weird", "she got too gay and didn't appeal enough to a straight audience/made me feel uncomfortable because people automatically associated me with queer culture and s-xuality", and such.

 

In that sense, I think Gaga hate is a consequence, but a generally unjustifiable one. Some moments I do understand a "dropping of the stan card". For example, ARTPOP's initial start. Don't get me wrong, it all makes fits together in retrospect, that Gaga was going through a rough time, professionally and personally. But, I have to be honest, it was a very frustrating time as a fan. It really opened my eyes not just to other fans' perceptions and expectations of and towards Gaga, but also of my own.

 

But, I think it's also a trend, also unjustifiable, for the most part. The Perez/Cheng/Buchanan and co. debacle? That was a spectacular example of slander and overall destruction of public perception of Gaga. The worst part? It worked. No person deserves that kind of continuous treatment.

This is well written, thanks! 

 

I agree with a lot of it. The only thing I can really say is that I think because she is a pop star, that she really should live up to her face value expectations- on at least most of the album. She can still have her messages and themes, but present them "better". 

People loved her music, craved it, but still knew she was weird. I like commercialGa. I just rewatched the Telephone video and it's absolutely brilliant. Her details she included were so thought out- that's why I really liked GUY as well. But on the surface they just looked like kind of out there, pretty pictures. I liked the dichotomy of uniquely s-xy pop star and a girl with a dirty, difficult mission and message. I think she might be channeling that again and I'm very excited. 

[dragqueenshego 106]

It's a major trend. I wouldn't say it's a consequence because that makes it sound like Gaga did something wrong prior to the album's release to cause people to hate her. If people got tired of her, that's not her fault; she's just doing her thing. And if people got tired of her and continued to down her after, it's a trend, not a consequence.

I disagree. Gaga did make some mistakes (maybe not explicit). Her interviews have become too preachy about being a victim, about being a 'real' artist, and overall her attitude is snobby in some ways which tires/annoys ppl. She used to be more friendly, approachable, funny but now it's a lot more, she takes herself too seriously.

[Whispering 18,865]

Ugh, where is a Liz Lemon eye roll emoticon when I need one? 

 

I think she will be back, obviously not identical. I don't want her to be. Yes, artists change and grow, but I think she can do better than this incoherency. I like that she changes herself and her sound, but she should keep some of what she is established from- that's why most people liked her in the first place. 

 

But back to the point of the thread- yes, her "change" is hurting her image, not because she is being bullied on a media trend. She makes the choices and just gets negative reactions for it.

 

People liked her when she was throwing out fun dance tracks and they didn't know about her weird, artistic views and her deep commitment to the LGBT community. That's when it all started changing. She can't go back, she doesn't want to and I don't want her to!

 

Also from SXSW:

 

"With success, comes expectations. I will stop, I will quit. I will retire from the commercial market if I have to do something other than be myself," Gaga said. The Fame Monster artist also said that she would be happy making music downtown without the pressures of success. "I don't need all of that if it means negativity," she said.

 

Gaga's end goal is not what you want her end goal to be. Sadly, I do believe Gaga is destined to disappoint you over and over and over, for four more years. :cry:

 

Why waste anymore time?! Life is way too short...and Miley has an extremely active fan base! She is so awesome and so brilliantly talented and is sure to make ALL the right choices over the next few years!!

[Celina 118]

Partly a trend, partly ignorance. To sensible people, Gaga hasn't done anything hate-worthy.

[tokyodisko 0]

she didn't have to do anything she did to break boundaries, there are literally limitless options. It sounds like you're basically boiling down her options for validation and only what gets her good press counts. Back in her heyday, the vomit thing would have worked in her favor, you can bet on it. But now that we're in a lull, she can only do wrong. The highlights of her career that fans hold on pedestals would be ripped to pieces if done today. It's just the time were in.

 

I don't think it would have worked in her favor at all, BUT I do think people would have been more likely to over look it. I'm talking about her image and PR. That's what this thread is kind of about. It's not self validation if the majority of people don't like what Gaga is selling. But yes, I also think that Gaga does need good press, but this era until the GUY video, I don't think she deserved it, not entirely her fault, but she didn't help at all with her attitude. 

Yeah, we are in a different time, but if you follow that logic in another four or five years what is next? She doesn't need to jump to doing something that will have bad press to express her point. 

[Whispering 18,865]

I disagree. Gaga did make some mistakes (maybe not explicit). Her interviews have become too preachy about being a victim, about being a 'real' artist, and overall her attitude is snobby in some ways which tires/annoys ppl. She used to be more friendly, approachable, funny but now it's a lot more, she takes herself too seriously.

 

Riiight, like those b---hy interviews from the TF days or the one from the Barbara Walter's Special/ TFM era where she took off her glasses "just for Barbara".

 

Or all the weird interviews from the BTW era where she explained that those horns in her face were implanted there or she looked like some kind of alien?

 

Little monsters and their selective memories!

[tokyodisko 0]

People liked her when she was throwing out fun dance tracks and they didn't know about her weird, artistic views and her deep commitment to the LGBT community. That's when it all started changing. She can't go back, she doesn't want to and I don't want her to!

 

Also from SXSW:

 

"With success, comes expectations. I will stop, I will quit. I will retire from the commercial market if I have to do something other than be myself," Gaga said. The Fame Monster artist also said that she would be happy making music downtown without the pressures of success. "I don't need all of that if it means negativity," she said.

 

Gaga's end goal is not what you want her end goal to be. Sadly, I do believe Gaga is destined to disappoint you over and over and over, for four more years. :cry:

 

Why waste anymore time?! Life is way too short...and Miley has an extremely active fan base! She is so awesome and so brilliantly talented and is sure to make ALL the right choices over the next few years!!

I think anyone who didn't live under a rock was well aware Gaga was all about the gays and having a deep artistry. Why do you think there are so many fans from TF/M?

I don't think Gaga has ever been anyone but herself. She was just riding the high of a festival tbh. She is a commercial pop star. She will not stop being a commercial pop star. She just says this so people will lap it up and naively believe she will actually leave the mainstream pop community. She won't. Damage control exists for a reason, so I don't think I'm always going to be disappointed in her. That's also not what this thread is about. It's about her ability or deficiency to have a good image and headline and what caused it. Not my personal views on the issue, which extend far beyond the OP. 

 

The "stan" for someone else thing is so overused and such bull**** in this fan base. I don't understand why anyone would even have to pick one artist to follow. And while you mention Miley, my opinion is that she is more herself than Gaga has been in about a very long time.   I just don't like most of her music.