Art is open to interpretation, yeah?

[Crash 11]

I wouldn't say they're wrong. I would think they are wrong, but it's their thought process that lead them to calling her a slut. 

That example could apply to both Demi and the LM who mocked her opinion. 

 

And, yes, it was a load of assumptions and stereotypes. If it's a mid torso up it is still relatively easy to figure out most of the time. As for straight guys being trolls- totally true! But I don't think most straight guys would hunt down negative comments on a Gaga article and saying "wow ur fat" to the girls who think Demi was correct. Have you read the forums here? Gay guys are brutal about looks, because mainstream gay culture says that is how we should be. 

Also, you and Demi might want to keep this in mind, from the horse's mouth:

 

https://twitter.com/ddlovato/status/377597544203026433

[tokyodisko 0]

Also, you and Demi might want to keep this in mind, from the horse's mouth:

 

https://twitter.com/ddlovato/status/377597544203026433

lol it is funny that she tweeted that, but I don't see how i'm being judgmental. I'm taking into account the likelihood of someone being gay. I'm not hurting or dismissing anyone for it. I just wanted to draw a connection to eating disorders in the gay community since they are indeed a very real issue that mostly goes unnoticed, because it is ingrained. It'd be hard to deny that the stereotypical gay image not what I had mentioned. Maybe add in some A&F or Hollister? I don't know what the kids are wearing these days. haha

[MikeyMoonShine 0]

I don't see where that would fit into the definition at. 

 

Maybe the term needs redefined?

 

We don't have an agreed upon definition in society though- we do in a dictionary, but that's not exactly the same thing since language and definition evolve constantly. 

 

Well all art seeks attention that isn't really part of the art at all that's part of the reason for creating the art and so is shock value. 

 

"the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power"

 

It's creating work for people to pay attention too and the word "Primarily" opens up other aspects that can be appreciated. I guess some art isn't meant to be appreciated so you could call that a flaw in that particular definition. 

 

Anyway we do have some sort of agreed upon definition in society though, otherwise nobody would know what art was. This is my point, there is a definition but obviously arguing with you about that is pointless. 

 

Oh and don't think I even agreed with the idea that the performance was merely for attention or for shock value. If you are truly saying that then you are just doing the same thing Demi did, trashing gaga with your own interpretation of her work. 

[tokyodisko 0]

Well all art seeks attention that isn't really part of the art at all that's part of the reason for creating the art and so is shock value. 

 

"the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power"

 

It's creating work for people to pay attention too and the word "Primarily" opens up other aspects that can be appreciated. I guess some art isn't meant to be appreciated so you could call that a flaw in that particular definition. 

 

Anyway we do have some sort of agreed upon definition in society though, otherwise nobody would know what art was. This is my point, there is a definition but obviously arguing with you about that is pointless. 

 

Oh and don't think I even agreed with the idea that the performance was merely for attention or for shock value. If you are truly saying that then you are just doing the same thing Demi did, trashing gaga with your own interpretation of her work. 

I didn't say I think that. There are people who did think that. 

 

I don't think all art is made for attention or appreciation. Some people just make it for fun and because they enjoy it. 

I have a few paintings and charcoals in my room that I've never felt like entering in art shows, despite thinking some of them are my best work. That opens the door to whether are has integrity or or just for the attention in the celebrity world. 

 

I think I just found my new paper topic. ha

[MikeyMoonShine 0]

I didn't say I think that. There are people who did think that. 

 

I don't think all art is made for attention or appreciation. Some people just make it for fun and because they enjoy it. 

I have a few paintings and charcoals in my room that I've never felt like entering in art shows, despite thinking some of them are my best work. That opens the door to whether are has integrity or or just for the attention in the celebrity world. 

 

I think I just found my new paper topic. ha

 

Well it's made to be viewed even if it's just by the artist. 

 

Not gonna pretend to be too keen on the idea of you writing a paper about this considering the way you have responded. I went to art school so it's a very personal subject to me, but you are entitled to your opinion I guess :/ 

[tokyodisko 0]

Well it's made to be viewed even if it's just by the artist. 

 

Not gonna pretend to be too keen on the idea of you writing a paper about this considering the way you have responded. I went to art school so it's a very personal subject to me, but you are entitled to your opinion I guess :/ 

I did too, we just have opposite responses. 

It'd be a boring paper if we didn't. 

[Tokyo Rose 1,475]

Y'all are exactly what she was speaking out against these past few days.

The idea that she can't claim her art. That she should just be beautiful and shut up.

 

WTF?! Are you on d--gs? Drunk? your post makes no sense. Get help..

 

I was talking about the actual word ART. NOT THE CONCEPT OF SELF EXPRESSION   

 

[Retep 0]

This was the best response to my OP. I don't think she was wrong in her opinion, but I do think looking at what could be the intended meaning would have been good to do. 

But then again she's like 21 and very involved with the issue, so she probably got upset and went directly to twitter just like most human beings- the only difference is she has loads of people reading her thoughts. 

 

I think for many this is where the main issue stems, she rushed into posting a statement and (I don't know for sure) I presume she didn't fully formulate what she was going to say prior to posting it. She has every right to make a comment should she choose to, her tone completely erases her credibility though in addition to her lack on the background of the piece (and Millie as a whole) and ignorance to proclaim what in fact is and was artistic. She has no direct right to say what is art, she can certainly be offended by it but her offense doesn't equate to it not being art for the creator (in this case creators). As I mentioned before I applaud her prior involvement in expressing her issues with her disorder, however in many cases she often finds herself in the awkward position of seemingly being a spokesperson for so many that don't fully agree with what she says. Place that in combination with the perception that she uses it to elevate her personal presence (again completely arguable, i'm just being the devils advocate and trying to demonstrate some peoples feelings) on a consistent basis and that is why many are speaking out against her in addition to her sass within her tweets as well. Again though it doesn't excuse some peoples language and hate speech, they could have very easily made their statement in an attempt to educate Demi on the intention of the piece, Millie's art as a whole, and even how she could be misinterpreted in a much more effective way. Hate + hate does us no good and only elevates us further to being the punchline for many people.

[djBuffoon 12,115]

She is not wrong for not liking it. She is wrong for saying that Millie and Gaga are promoting bulimia when they are not. She didn't express her point of view on art, she expressed how ignorant she in terms of eating disorders.

[LaLuna 12,732]

My question is, why didn't people get their panties all in a bunch about the Monster Ball interlude? It's exactly the same thing, it's Millie puking a green substance all over Gaga. Why is this particular piece of performance art causing such an uproar, especially since the Monster Ball was seen by a lot more people than the SXSW performance?

 

The thing about art is that the way we interpret a certain piece is shaped by our own perception. 1,000 people can see one piece of art 1,000 different ways. Demi Lovato, having struggled with eating disorders, perceived Gaga's performance as a glamorization of bulimia because of her background and personal experiences. Someone else in the audience might have seen it in a completely different way. There is no wrong or right way to perceive a certain piece of art, because at the end of the day, we're all different and we all have different ways to perceive the world.

 

That said, I feel Demi was a little too quick to judge, but since bulimia and everything that disease involves (including puking) is something she's experiences personally, maybe it just hit a little too close to home, which is why she had such a strong reaction. I'm not gonna blame her, but at the same time she shouldn't judge Gaga and her art before knowing what Gaga was trying to achieve.

[Slayer 9,227]

I've always disliked the word "art" because I feel it's too abstract and subjective for describing creative work. But recently, I've come to actually LOATHE the word. It is just too constricting for freedom of expression. People (including Gaga herself) get so caught up in the argument of whether or not something is "art" to the point where they stop talking about the meaning of the performance / painting / song / book, etc. It's like this hierarchy of importance being placed on creativity and it's like a choke-hold on creative works, because it doesn't allow them to just EXIST and BE, without people trying to label them "art" or "not art."

 

Sorry, I know this isn't directly related to the topic, I just had to get it out. The word "art" is pretentious, empty nothingness and I'm getting sick of hearing it constantly banded around like it means something, when in fact it means fvck all.