Art is open to interpretation, yeah?

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She just doesn't think Gaga should do it. She isn't going to stop Gaga from doing what she does. I don't think she said anything wrong at all. It was just her opinion. 

 

Her tone within the tweets she posted was very snarky, that's how I read them. I understand she has experienced issues in the past (as have I), but she opened up the can of worms when she sassily tweeted what she did. Her next mistake was saying it wasn't art, that's what I think pissed a lot of people off the most. Was it right for people to reply in some of the disgusting ways they did? Not at all, she just should've worded her concerns more effectively to be taken in a much more serious light. 

 

 

Side note: I think a lot of peoples additional issues is that Demi often uses her past as a way to obtain more press and in a way to gain some sympathy, not saying in general she shouldn't be vocal about the issues; if anything she should be a proponent and leader to help solve them. But her use of it in the ways she has publicly has worn people down I think.

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It's in this thread.

Oh, I thought you meant Gaga.

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But her opinion is wrong, it's art by definition 

 

I highly doubt that is the case because it's nothing like any eating disorder I have ever heard of. Artists will go to extreme lengths for their work sometimes. Besides she only doesn't eat around the time she is doing it so that she isn't actually vomiting real vomit. 

 

See, I think art isn't art by definition, it's based on personal thoughts. But either way, no harm done. I just do not see how she is wrong. 

 

I realize that bit, but some people with eating disorders will go to great lengths to cover them up as well. Who knows. 

 

 

Coming from someone who was defending Miley Cyrus' VMA stunt as a commentary on s-xuality lol

You know this how?

Yea, I did. I actually wrote a whole paper on Miley Cyrus and her feminist antics. If you paid any attention to what she says, then you'd probably be surprised rather than blindly hating on her.

And I "know" that because I assumed. There is a gay stereotype for a reason, and when accompanied with a photo it's fairly definite. Besides do straight guys think it's "in" to act like a cold, callous b---h? Not really. That's a gay fad. 

Her tone within the tweets she posted was very snarky, that's how I read them. I understand she has experienced issues in the past (as have I), but she opened up the can of worms when she sassily tweeted what she did. Her next mistake was saying it wasn't art, that's what I think pissed a lot of people off the most. Was it right for people to reply in some of the disgusting ways they did? Not at all, she just should've worded her concerns more effectively to be taken in a much more serious light. 

 

 

Side note: I think a lot of peoples additional issues is that Demi often uses her past as a way to obtain more press and in a way to gain some sympathy, not saying in general she shouldn't be vocal about the issues; if anything she should be a proponent and leader to help solve them. But her use of it in the ways she has publicly has worn people down I think.

Okay, so what is different from people here saying Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus don't do any art? How is that okay, but Demi should get slammed for it?

 

I don't think she was after headlines like other people say, she is a former Disney girl- they can get headlines when they want them. 

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Her tone within the tweets she posted was very snarky, that's how I read them. I understand she has experienced issues in the past (as have I), but she opened up the can of worms when she sassily tweeted what she did. Her next mistake was saying it wasn't art, that's what I think pissed a lot of people off the most. Was it right for people to reply in some of the disgusting ways they did? Not at all, she just should've worded her concerns more effectively to be taken in a much more serious light. 

 

 

Side note: I think a lot of peoples additional issues is that Demi often uses her past as a way to obtain more press and in a way to gain some sympathy, not saying in general she shouldn't be vocal about the issues; if anything she should be a proponent and leader to help solve them. But her use of it in the ways she has publicly has worn people down I think.

 

all of this wonderfully put.

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That's because Demi is not interpreting, she's imposing her standards on us and calling gaga's art "wrong", which is completely absurd in this case.

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See, I think art isn't art by definition, it's based on personal thoughts. But either way, no harm done. I just do not see how she is wrong. 

 

I realize that bit, but some people with eating disorders will go to great lengths to cover them up as well. Who knows. 

 

But it's not, as I explained to you already that would make the word meaningless. Art is defined. 

 

 

"the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power" 

 

Sure it's a loose definition and some things fall into the "is this or isn't this art?" category but this performance doesn't,  It's pretty straight forward performance art and that's not a defense of it either that is just being honest about what it is. 

 

Plus your speculation about Millie seems to me like nothing more than speculation. Would you even be saying this if Demi had not brought up this whole bulimia thing? 

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That's because Demi is not interpreting, she's imposing her standards on us and calling gaga's art "wrong", which is completely absurd in this case.

The problem I have with this is how often GGD posters impose their standards on other artists and call them "wrong". 

But it's not, as I explained pointed out that would make the word meaningless. Art is defined. 

 

 

"the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power" 

 

Sure it's a loose definition and some things fall into the "is this or isn't this art?" category but this performance doesn't,  It's pretty straight forward performance art and that's not a defense of it either that is just being honest about what it is. 

 

Plus your speculation about Millie seems to me like nothing more than speculation. Would you even be saying this if Demi had not brought up this whole bulimia thing? 

 

I wonder how old that definition is though? Art can now be made for a multitude of other reasons, like shock value and attention. 

I think what Gaga did was art, but Demi shouldn't have to.

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The problem I have with this is how often GGD posters impose their standards on other artists and call them "wrong". 

 

 

That's not my problem though and it shouldn't be yours, what I said obviously doesn't apply to everyone but it's universal and what Demi did is a complete opposite of "interpreting" art. Not to mention the fact that she was wrong and selfish about it.

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 Not really. I think anyone can label something as wrong or right, art or otherwise. It's just personal opinions. 

 

Well, then there's some people whose personal opinion is that Demi is wrong for saying what Millie does is not art and for speaking about ED in behalf of all people who suffer ED. That's it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHue-HaXXzg

 

 

 

 

not really. I know it's something worth discussing. I'm just bored

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Yea, I did. I actually wrote a whole paper on Miley Cyrus and her feminist antics. If you paid any attention to what she says, then you'd probably be surprised rather than blindly hating on her.

 

Okay, so what is different from people here saying Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus don't do any art? How is that okay, but Demi should get slammed for it?

 

I don't think she was after headlines like other people say, she is a former Disney girl- they can get headlines when they want them. 

And if anyone were to call her a slut who was only doing it for the attention, you'd disagree and tell them they were wrong, because you have your own interpretation. 

 

And I "know" that because I assumed. There is a gay stereotype for a reason, and when accompanied with a photo it's fairly definite. Besides do straight guys think it's "in" to act like a cold, callous b---h? Not really. That's a gay fad.

 

No, but then just like everyone on the internet, straight guys are capable of being insulting trolls too, unless you think every single insult that has ever been uttered on the internet in regards to a person's appearance has been by a gay guy? And I bet most of these comments you saw probably were not accompanied by pics of these people's bodies, so it's load of assumptions and stereotyping on your part.

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Well, then there's some people whose personal opinion is that Demi is wrong for saying what Millie does is not art and for speaking about ED in behalf of all people who suffer ED. That's it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHue-HaXXzg

 

 

 

 

not really. I know it's something worth discussing. I'm just bored

Getting that Frozen promo. :P

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Okay, so what is different from people here saying Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus don't do any art? How is that okay, but Demi should get slammed for it?

 

I don't think she was after headlines like other people say, she is a former Disney girl- they can get headlines when they want them. 

 

I never excused people here whatsoever, a lot of people go into judging a persons work without truly looking into it. I'm at fault too, the difference though is that I personally look into the artist and their intentions prior to making a comment blindly. I can see Demi's point to an extent however in no way do I think watching it was glamorous. I never sat down and watched it and said, "this is the beyond fabulous and beautiful". The only part I found 'pretty' was the intention behind it. Had Gaga performed Applause or something I'd be on the other side unless she could back it up. The fact is that Swine isn't a pretty song with pretty subject matter. Her visuals made sense and as someone who dealt and is dealing with bulimia I in no way was heart eyed watching it. 

 

Demi's allowed to have an opinion, she should just research it and ensure that her intention is clear rather than being misconstrued by her tone and use of word and emojis.

 

In addition she could have easily researched a statement from Millie all the way back from 2011 where she commented, "Work evokes us to think about a disease that affects so many people; in a way that can raise some awareness". She never found her work to glorify purging, in fact she was blind to that connection being made. When questioned though she stated (back in 2011 again) that maybe if people use the connection it can cause a conversation rather than it being swept under the rug as it is for so many who suffer with it.

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The problem I have with this is how often GGD posters impose their standards on other artists and call them "wrong". 

 

I wonder how old that definition is though? Art can now be made for a multitude of other reasons, like shock value and attention. 

I think what Gaga did was art, but Demi shouldn't have to.

 

How do shock value and attention not fit into that definition?  I will admit it's probably not perfect because the definition of art is vague but there is still a definition because there has to be. 

 

In my opinion that's a failure of communication and would be avoidable if we had a word with a definition that we could all agree upon (like we do)

[tokyodisko 0]

And if anyone were to call her a slut who was only doing it for the attention, you'd disagree and tell them they were wrong, because you have your own interpretation. 

 

No, but then just like everyone on the internet, straight guys are capable of being insulting trolls too, unless you think every single insult that has ever been uttered on the internet in regards to a person's appearance has been by a gay guy? And I bet most of these comments you saw probably were not accompanied by pics of these people's bodies, so it's load of assumptions and stereotyping on your part.

I wouldn't say they're wrong. I would think they are wrong, but it's their thought process that lead them to calling her a slut. 

That example could apply to both Demi and the LM who mocked her opinion. 

 

And, yes, it was a load of assumptions and stereotypes. If it's a mid torso up it is still relatively easy to figure out most of the time. As for straight guys being trolls- totally true! But I don't think most straight guys would hunt down negative comments on a Gaga article and saying "wow ur fat" to the girls who think Demi was correct. Have you read the forums here? Gay guys are brutal about looks, because mainstream gay culture says that is how we should be. 

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I never excused people here whatsoever, a lot of people go into judging a persons work without truly looking into it. I'm at fault too, the difference though is that I personally look into the artist and their intentions prior to making a comment blindly. I can see Demi's point to an extent however in no way do I think watching it was glamorous. I never sat down and watched it and said, "this is the beyond fabulous and beautiful". The only part I found 'pretty' was the intention behind it. Had Gaga performed Applause or something I'd be on the other side unless she could back it up. The fact is that Swine isn't a pretty song with pretty subject matter. Her visuals made sense and as someone who dealt and is dealing with bulimia I in no way was heart eyed watching it. 

 

Demi's allowed to have an opinion, she should just research it and ensure that her intention is clear rather than being misconstrued by her tone and use of word and emojis.

 

In addition she could have easily researched a statement from Millie all the way back from 2011 where she commented, "Work evokes us to think about a disease that affects so many people; in a way that can raise some awareness". She never found her work to glorify purging, in fact she was blind to that connection being made. When questioned though she stated (back in 2011 again) that maybe if people use the connection it can cause a conversation rather than it being swept under the rug as it is for so many who suffer with it.

This was the best response to my OP. I don't think she was wrong in her opinion, but I do think looking at what could be the intended meaning would have been good to do. 

But then again she's like 21 and very involved with the issue, so she probably got upset and went directly to twitter just like most human beings- the only difference is she has loads of people reading her thoughts. 

How do shock value and attention not fit into that definition?  I will admit it's probably not perfect because the definition of art is vague but there is still a definition because there has to be. 

 

In my opinion that's a failure of communication and would be avoidable if we had a word with a definition that we could all agree upon (like we do)

I don't see where that would fit into the definition at. 

 

Maybe the term needs redefined?

 

We don't have an agreed upon definition in society though- we do in a dictionary, but that's not exactly the same thing since language and definition evolve constantly.