Why Gaga needs to cancel her show in Israel

[Rainbowgynous 0]

"that fan" will have the right to enter Israel the moment its homeland won't call for Israel's annihilation & won't target its civilian centers with rockets. Simple as that. :roll:

 

Point, you have one. Not on the fan, or any individual... But on the rocket target stuff, there is indeed a serious threat from the "segregated side" which might* (partly) justify the cautions taken. People over there are actually accustomed to running for the bomb shelter at all hours (I have friends in many corners of the world, I get these tales first hand) and that's not falling from the sky (well, it is, but someone shot it up there first).

 

I'm not taking sides because it is IMPOSSIBLE to take sides here. If it were possible to do that, someone would already have wiped out the "wrong" side and the "right" ones would be living in peace.

 

But I am saying this thread is sounding pretty biassed.

[Lets Party 0]

Politics should not be mixed with art. Your opinion is very narrow-minded and sometimes even ignorant, any discussion will be pointless.

 

You claim my opinion is narrow minded and ignorant, yet you post propaganda pictures from your government. You are so brainwahsed by your own country that you have no way to see the truth, you just believe what you are taught to believe. The only ones who said there were weapons were YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT, hmmm i wonder why. The UN even stated that there were kitchen knives and wooden slingshots yet your soldiers shot and killed around 10 of them? You will justify this somehow won't you, its all you do. I have no agenda to spread, whereas it is your duty isn't it. 

[Rainbowgynous 0]

You claim my opinion is narrow minded and ignorant, yet you post propaganda pictures from your government. You are so brainwahsed by your own country that you have no way to see the truth, you just believe what you are taught to believe. The only ones who said there were weapons were YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT, hmmm i wonder why. The UN even stated that there were kitchen knives and wooden slingshots yet your soldiers shot and killed around 10 of them? You will justify this somehow won't you, its all you do. I have no agenda to spread, whereas it is your duty isn't it. 

 

Both sides are brainwashed, I know people who went there and came back absolutely flabergasted at how firmly people, little children and grown adults alike, on each side believe that what they've been told is true... Even if it's the polar opposite from each other. These kids have known NOTHING but "that truth".

 

Wish they could just go have a cup of tea together and see they're both human...

 

But you seem pretty biassed yourself.

[Lets Party 0]

Both sides are brainwashed, I know people who went there and came back absolutely flabergasted at how firmly people, little children and grown adults alike, on each side believe that what they've been told is true... Even if it's the polar opposite from each other. These kids have known NOTHING but "that truth".

 

Wish they could just go have a cup of tea together and see they're both human...

 

But you seem pretty biassed yourself.

 

Honestly this is what i would love more than anything. But there is arrogance on both sides.  Whether that arrogance is warranted or not we can only speculate ourselves. One thing i do know though, is Israel is the  captor in the situation and that is something that we should be made aware of.  Hopefully Gaga will cancel , at least until apartheid is ended in that country.

[Dolev 866]

You claim my opinion is narrow minded and ignorant, yet you post propaganda pictures from your government. You are so brainwahsed by your own country that you have no way to see the truth, you just believe what you are taught to believe. The only ones who said there were weapons were YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT, hmmm i wonder why. The UN even stated that there were kitchen knives and wooden slingshots yet your soldiers shot and killed around 10 of them? You will justify this somehow won't you, its all you do. I have no agenda to spread, whereas it is your duty isn't it. 

You know, I could have said the same about you, that's why any discussion between us is pointless - you seem very one-sided.

OFC my government was the only one the say there were weapons aboard... they were the one who captured the ship. Logic.

I am not brainwashed as I do recognize the other side right for a state and I am aware of the injustice that's been done by both sides. Can we say the same for you?

[Lets Party 0]

You know, I could have said the same about you, that's why any discussion between us is pointless - you seem very one-sided.

OFC my government was the only one the say there were weapons aboard... they were the one who captured the ship. Logic.

I am not brainwashed as I do recognize the other side right for a state and I am aware of the injustice that's been done by both sides. Can we say the same for you?

 

You are from Israel, what you have been taught is what you believe. Here in the west we aren't made to pick sides as you are. Funny how it's always Israel who claims to have found weapons , don't you see anything suspicious in that? At all? 

 

You're right there is injustice on both sides, but your country has done far more to Palestine and is doing far more to Palestine than Palestine has ever done to you. You claim both sides are as bad as eachother?

 

 

Please tell me who is the aggressor here?

 

Both sides have bad people i 100 percent agree with you, but one side is currently committing war crimes against the other and is in breach of many human right violations. 

[craig 680]

Being against the apartheid state of Israel doesn't make us anti-Semitic. You are so quick to throw that word around when it comes to any criticism or your countries treatment towards the Palestinians. 

 

 

 

Israel was created largely in response in European anti-semitism. They felt they needed their own ethnic majority state to be safe.

 

Interesting that Jews still face more Anti-Semitism in continental Europe than North America, while Europeans tend to be less supportive of Israel.

 

Gaga comes from the city with the largest Jewish population outside Israel, where Jews are considered like like any other white European immigrant group.

 

Please tell me who is the aggressor here?

 

Well, lots more Germans and Japanese died in WW2 than British and Americans. Casualties figures don't prove who is ultimate aggressor.

[Lets Party 0]

Well, lots more Germans and Japanese died in WW2 than British and Americans. Casualties figures don't prove who is ultimate aggressor.

 

Israel are the ones who are sanctioning the daily lives of the Palestinians it is not the other way around. How anyone could think gaza is the aggressor in this situation is beyond me when they are the ones being held under apartheid.. 

[Dolev 866]

You are from Israel, what you have been taught is what you believe. Here in the west we aren't made to pick sides as you are. Funny how it's always Israel who claims to have found weapons , don't you see anything suspicious in that? At all? 

 

You're right there is injustice on both sides, but your country has done far more to Palestine and is doing far more to Palestine than Palestine has ever done to you. You claim both sides are as bad as eachother?

 

 

Please tell me who is the aggressor here?

 

Both sides have bad people i 100 percent agree with you, but one side is currently committing war crimes against the other and is in breach of many human right violations. 

I am indeed from Israel, but just like you in the west - I live in a democracy where anyone has the right to express their opinions.

I am not brainwashed, I actually see myself as a part of the left-wing politic parties here. I stand for peace, for 2 countries living right next to each other with a full normalization of this whole region. I am not a big fan of my current government and I am an activist who is in mixed-youth committees for coexistent. Excuse me, but you know nothing about me or about Israel to call me "brainwashed" or to conclude such things when there are many other people like me here.

 

There is no way to measure how bad each side is. Does the numbers you showed, probably provided by biased organizations, are real? I doubt it just like you doubt my government's credibility. Anyway, both sides are responsible for "war-crimes", as both strikes civilian centers. Could you please tell me when was the last time an Israeli citizen exploded at bus full of people in Gaza? Bombed a commercial center? burned down a chapel? Each side with its available sources, both cruel.

[Lets Party 0]

I am indeed from Israel, but just like you in the west - I live in a democracy where anyone has the right to express their opinions.

I am not brainwashed, I actually see myself as a part of the left-wing politic parties here. I stand for peace, for 2 countries living right next to each other with a full normalization of this whole region. I am not a big fan of my current government and I am an activist who is in mixed-youth committees for coexistent. Excuse me, but you know nothing about me or about Israel to call me "brainwashed" or to conclude such things when there are many other people like me here.

 

There is no way to measure how bad each side is. Does the numbers you showed, probably provided by biased organizations, are real? I doubt it just like you doubt my government's credibility. Anyway, both sides are responsible for "war-crimes", as both strikes civilian centers. Could you please tell me when was the last time an Israeli citizen exploded at bus full of people in Gaza? Bombed a commercial center? burned down a chapel? Each side with its available sources, both cruel.

 

You say you live in a democracy ? For who? You? Because the Palestinians sure as hell dont. Why can't they vote? Why are they made to drive on separate roads? Why can't they return to their houses after israelis have kicked them out? Is this your definition of a democracy?

 

There are statistics published by the united nations, they have no reason to lie, check them out if you want to. 

 

Your argument about you having to hide from bombs etc kind of reminds me of this guy on cnn. He's sat in his comfy house complaining about he is under threat yet the Palestine is literally getting bombed live on air by your air forces. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqc-rIAyzY4

 

I'm glad you stand for peace as you said, it is what we should all strive for in the end. Many people are against how israel is treating Palestine and i'm sure if you want peace you would also be against it

[lego 44,165]

Except Gaga is not allowed in Russia after 2012. That's not the case with Israel.

Politics should not be mixed with art. Your opinion is very narrow-minded and sometimes even ignorant, any discussion will be pointless.

 

Are you even aware of what was found on the Mavi Marmara back at 2010?!

 

 

 

Like really... get you facts straight!   Spreading biased and false information is not cool.

 

agreed with the bold parts.

"that fan" will have the right to enter Israel the moment its homeland won't call for Israel's annihilation & won't target its civilian centers with rockets. Simple as that. :roll:

Yeah, Gaga is not allowed in Russia and probably won't be allowed in Israel too if she publicly speaks about this issue in Tel Aviv. She called for boycotting Olympics in Russia.  Why would she stay blind to violating of human rights in Israel?

 

That is your country's propaganda you are fed. I knew some pics will arise to justify your army's doing. Like some kitchen knives and rusty saws are weapons they brought against your army? Seriously?  And that justifies shooting people to die, who came from the west, with white flag, with medical aid, maybe those were construction tools since you know, you bombed their homes?

 

 

And you didn't understand, ''that fan'' could be citizen of Sweden or UK, but for whatever reason he's travelling through Lebanon. Maybe as a tourist? So it's not like his homeland has anything against jewish state. That poor fan has a stamp in passport and he won't be allowed to enter Israel. How is that just? That was just one example.

[CannaeDrive 3,412]

That **** began more than a century ago, so Gaga going or not going would make no difference. But fans and the public have the right to go to her concert, be it in Israel or Indonesia or Russia. Stop spreading your propaganda, it just spreads more hate, this forum don't need that.

[RileyMint 564]

There are extremely unjust and illegal laws put in place to stop Palestinians from entering Israel. They are being held captive in their own land

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement#Freedom_of_movement_of_Israeli_citizens

That's because many Palestine's hate the Jews in Israel and vow to blow the place off the map and kill every Jew on Earth. If you actually listened to extreme Islamic leaders you would know why Israel protects itself. It is surrounded by people who hate them. Israelis want to live in peace in the promise land. Do you realize how small Israel is? Wow, you truly believe everything you hear from the media...

[lego 44,165]

That's because many Palestine's hate the Jews in Israel and vow to blow the place off the map and kill every Jew on Earth. If you actually listened to extreme Islamic leaders you would know why Israel protects itself. It is surrounded by people who hate them. Israelis want to live in peace in the promise land. Do you realize how small Israel is? Wow, you truly believe everything you hear from the media...

 

 

Promised by who? God, isn't it?

You are generalizing, not every Palestinian is an evil extremist who would blow himself up, that trend started with a minor sect within Muslims. Most of them do not approve such way of warfare. Didn't you see that small kids are throwing stones, while your soldiers go at them with tanks? And they are big threat?  

[RileyMint 564]

Also, at least Gaga is welcome in Israel GEEZE are you seriously that ignorant about Sharia Law??? Gaga would be stoned to death in extremist regions that hate Israel as well. What is discrimination? How about hanging homos-xuals? How about stoning women to death for not covering their face. Do some research...