GagaSavedMe 12 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Great interview but Gaga took so many vague jabs at Troy like he didnt help catapult her success Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 There isn't an easy medical fix for depression. I'd rather that she be real and express her feelings, than some d--gged fembot with a fake smile pretending everything is okay, Exactly! The worst thing she could have done during this last year was keep it all to herself and "smile through it all". People that pretend that everything is okay end up with MUCH BIGGER problems on down the line. All the issues end up building and building on top of each other and that's when you end up with someone who completely loses touch with reality or decides it is all too much. :cry: Stuffing your pain away is NOT HEALTHY in any way! Problems or secrets, kept in the dark, just get worse. It is only when you are completely honest with yourself and everyone else, that you can start to really heal and start feeling like yourself again. And yes, that process may take place over a year, or longer. Depression is usually a long time coming and it takes a while to fully work through it all. I hope Gaga continues to be open and honest and isn't ashamed of how she feels. As fans, we will end up with a healthier and happier Gaga on down the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wecouldbeARTPOP 0 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Halfway Feb. Thank you thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antidote 95 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Wow seems like she really suffered/suffers from a depression. I think and hope the artRave tour will cheer her up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive 1 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I hope it never gets to the point where she cant find that last molecule of light again , like it sounds like a close call what would happen if she got that way again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 There isn't an easy medical fix for depression. I'd rather that she be real and express her feelings, than some d--gged fembot with a fake smile pretending everything is okay, Did I ever say there was? I'm saying that it isn't healthy for her or her career for her to be publicly lashing out at people or for her to make victimizing comments. She needs to privately see a therapist. I'd rather have her take another blackout and come back with the confidence and self-assurance she needs and deserves. My issue is that she is letting these issues manifest themselves publicly. Not that these issues exist. There is no shame in addressing these issues. I'm proud that she is such a strong advocate for mental health and she is so open about her struggles. I have my own mental health issues and I certainly understand how difficult it can be to deal with. I also understand that she may have particular moments of weakness when she feels the world is against her. But this narrative has been constant and unwavering since she has come back. She clearly wasn't emotionally prepared to come back. It concerns me to see her like this. It's not a healthy way to think. More distressing is that she's lost the mindset of "Let me prove them wrong" and has adopted the mindset of "Why is everyone against me?" She's not herself. Her victimization is a way for her to avoid her problems. Instead of asking herself why criticism is suddenly affecting her so much, she is shifting the blame to everyone else for causing her to be depressed. While she certainly is a victim in a way, this isn't a rational response. Why this is such a taboo topic in this fandom, I'll never understand. This isn't a criticism of her. This isn't offensive. There is nothing shameful about needing professional help. There is nothing shameful about going through an emotionally overwhelming time. There is nothing shameful about struggling. But she's been down for a long time and is showing no signs of being able to get up on her own. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to buy into this cult-like mentality that there's nothing wrong with her behavior and no one should say anything about it. It's problematic and needs to be addressed. Exactly! The worst thing she could have done during this last year was keep it all to herself and "smile through it all". People that pretend that everything is okay end up with MUCH BIGGER problems on down the line. All the issues end up building and building on top of each other and that's when you end up with someone who completely loses touch with reality or decides it is all too much. :cry: Stuffing your pain away is NOT HEALTHY in any way! Problems or secrets, kept in the dark, just get worse. It is only when you are completely honest with yourself and everyone else, that you can start to really heal and start feeling like yourself again. And yes, that process may take place over a year, or longer. Depression is usually a long time coming and it takes a while to fully work through it all. I hope Gaga continues to be open and honest and isn't ashamed of how she feels. As fans, we will end up with a healthier and happier Gaga on down the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Did I ever say there was? I'm saying that it isn't healthy for her or her career for her to be publicly lashing out at people or for her to make victimizing comments. She needs to privately see a therapist. I'd rather have her take another blackout and come back with the confidence and self-assurance she needs and deserves. My issue is that she is letting these issues manifest themselves publicly. Not that these issues exist. There is no shame in addressing these issues. I'm proud that she is such a strong advocate for mental health and she is so open about her struggles. I have my own mental health issues and I certainly understand how difficult it can be to deal with. I also understand that she may have particular moments of weakness when she feels the world is against her. But this narrative has been constant and unwavering since she has come back. She clearly wasn't emotionally prepared to come back. It concerns me to see her like this. It's not a healthy way to think. More distressing is that she's lost the mindset of "Let me prove them wrong" and has adopted the mindset of "Why is everyone against me?" She's not herself. Her victimization is a way for her to avoid her problems. Instead of asking herself why criticism is suddenly affecting her so much, she is shifting the blame to everyone else for causing her to be depressed. While she certainly is a victim in a way, this isn't a rational response. Why this is such a taboo topic in this fandom, I'll never understand. This isn't a criticism of her. This isn't offensive. There is nothing shameful about needing professional help. There is nothing shameful about going through an emotionally overwhelming time. There is nothing shameful about struggling. But she's been down for a long time and is showing no signs of being able to get up on her own. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to buy into this cult-like mentality that there's nothing wrong with her behavior and no one should say anything about it. It's problematic and needs to be addressed. Addressed by whom? You? How much time have you spent with Gaga to know her state of mind and where she is at currently? Do you know that she hasn't seen someone professionally or that she isn't taking medicine for depression, or hasn't done either of these things in the past? What mental health degree do you have, where you can outline a treatment plan? If you have a degree, have you meet with Gaga to make a formal assessment of what treatment plan is best for her individualized needs? You say you have struggled with mental health issues, but are you in the exact same position Gaga is in? Are you a female, in her 20s, dealing with some type of past s-xual harassment? Did you just go through a possible career ending injury, where you were worried that you might end up in a wheelchair? Did you go through major surgery and have to lay flat n your back for weeks? Did you feel that you let hundreds of thousands of people, who looked up to you, down? Do you feel responsible somewhat for thousands upon thousands of people younger than you? Did a young boy send you a text that said goodbye to you and then kill himself? Did your friends betray you and leave you when you needed them most? Did you deal with multiple addictions and try to overcome those? Did you feel that you failed at your job or school, even though you poured your heart, soul and all your energy into it? Even if you could walk away and still feel good about your effort, did people constantly (24 hours a day) tell you how you had failed? Did you not have the resources to carry out this project or job and that made you feel constantly frustrated? Did you have to stop in the middle of this project that you poured your heart into, and restructure and redo everything behind the scenes? Did you have to do this while you where feeling the impact of depression, where you felt like you were underwater trying to run? Most importantly, did you do all of this in front of the whole world? Did media around the world spin your struggles into headlines for hits? And did they add lies on top of your struggles...just for FUN and GIGGLES?! If you were in this situation, you might feel that your fans deserved to know your struggles and deserved to know, as much as you could share. about the problems you've encountered during this time. People who are clinically depressed are not themselves- that much is accurate. What isn't accurate is some notion that Gaga should handle her depression the way you handle yours or that she should work through it the way you, or any one else, wants her to do. Individuals are not the same. They handle the highs and lows in their life differently. The "right way" to handle depression for Gaga is whatever works for her. It may not have been right for you, but then again, you aren't in her position! If talking about it in the light of day makes Gaga feel better and moves her forward, there is no wrong in that plan! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Addressed by whom? You? How much time have you spent with Gaga to know her state of mind and where she is at currently? Do you know that she hasn't seen someone professionally or that she isn't taking medicine for depression, or hasn't done either of these things in the past? What mental health degree do you have, where you can outline a treatment plan? If you have a degree, have you meet with Gaga to make a formal assessment of what treatment plan is best for her individualized needs? You say you have struggled with mental health issues, but are you in the exact same position Gaga is in? Are you a female, in her 20s, dealing with some type of past s-xual harassment? Did you just go through a possible career ending injury, where you were worried that you might end up in a wheelchair? Did you go through major surgery and have to lay flat n your back for weeks? Did you feel that you let hundreds of thousands of people, who looked up to you, down? Do you feel responsible somewhat for thousands upon thousands of people younger than you? Did a young boy send you a text that said goodbye to you and then kill himself? Did your friends betray you and leave you when you needed them most? Did you deal with multiple addictions and try to overcome those? Did you feel that you failed at your job or school, even though you poured your heart, soul and all your energy into it? Even if you could walk away and still feel good about your effort, did people constantly (24 hours a day) tell you how you had failed? Did you not have the resources to carry out this project or job and that made you feel constantly frustrated? Did you have to stop in the middle of this project that you poured your heart into, and restructure and redo everything behind the scenes? Did you have to do this while you where feeling the impact of depression, where you felt like you were underwater trying to run? Most importantly, did you do all of this in front of the whole world? Did media around the world spin your struggles into headlines for hits? And did they add lies on top of your struggles...just for FUN and GIGGLES?! If you were in this situation, you might feel that your fans deserved to know your struggles and deserved to know, as much as you could share. about the problems you've encountered during this time. People who are clinically depressed are not themselves- that much is accurate. What isn't accurate is some notion that Gaga should handle her depression the way you handle yours or that she should work through it the way you, or any one else, wants her to do. Individuals are not the same. They handle the highs and lows in their life differently. The "right way" to handle depression for Gaga is whatever works for her. It may not have been right for you, but then again, you aren't in her position! If talking about it in the light of day makes Gaga feel better and moves her forward, there is no wrong in that plan! Absolutely not by me. She needs to address her issues herself. I can do nothing about it. Nowhere am I giving her a treatment plan. Nowhere was I implying I know her personally. It was pretty generic statements. The inferences I DID make were based upon public statements she's made. Of course she can talk about it! You're missing what I'm saying. Please. I hope she continues to talk about it. But there's a difference between expressing her feelings and demonstrating her feelings. I think it's a great idea if she wants to write a weekly post on LM.com about how she felt and how she coped and everything. That seems like it could be therapeutic and helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Absolutely not by me. She needs to address her issues herself. I can do nothing about it. Nowhere am I giving her a treatment plan. Nowhere was I implying I know her personally. It was pretty generic statements. The inferences I DID make were based upon public statements she's made. Of course she can talk about it! You're missing what I'm saying. Please. I hope she continues to talk about it. But there's a difference between expressing her feelings and demonstrating her feelings. I think it's a great idea if she wants to write a weekly post on LM.com about how she felt and how she coped and everything. That seems like it could be therapeutic and helpful. That's what she is doing- in her way, for what is best for her. Your way and your plan will not be right for Gaga, because you are not her! You do not have her unique circumstances and you may be an entirely different person than she is. Her personality and the way she is needing to come out of major clinical depression could be completely different than you and what you want you would need to do to get healthy. "Your way" may not be the best way for her. The bottom line is Gaga needs to do what is best for her to get healthy, in whatever way is best for her, and only she knows what that way is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 That's what she is doing- in her way, for what is best for her. Your way and your plan will not be right for Gaga, because you are not her! You do not have her unique circumstances and you may be an entirely different person than she is. Her personality and the way she is needing to come out of major clinical depression could be completely different than you and what you want you would need to do to get healthy. "Your way" may not be the best way for her. The bottom line is Gaga needs to do what is best for her to get healthy, in whatever way is best for her, and only she knows what that way is. You're not getting what I'm saying at all. You're talking to me like I'm ignorant when I'm really not. I don't know how else to explain this to you. It's not "my way." With all due respect to you, I think your desire to defend her is blinding you to what I'm actually saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle 2,056 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 You're not getting what I'm saying at all. You're talking to me like I'm ignorant when I'm really not. I don't know how else to explain this to you. It's not "my way." With all due respect to you, I think your desire to defend her is blinding you to what I'm actually saying. I agree with you.I'll leave it at that.You spoke very POLITELY and clearly and NOT HATEFUL as some may be saying.I think people get so hell bent on defending her EVEN WHEN SHE DOESN'T NEED IT (like now.You weren't saying anything that needed defending) that they don't see what your saying.They just see "red" I applaud people defending her as I do the same thing just as it is OK to talk about faults we may see. Ok I prob made no sense.I'm on the car babbling... plus with no sleep for like 24 plus hours Lets go take a howl at that moon🌙 -Crowley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Great interview but Gaga took so many vague jabs at Troy like he didnt help catapult her success Your correct ... Troy was instrumental in her early success.... But as her answers illude , she felt that he was a trusted friend, and found out later that he was merely using her for personal gain. I think she is hurt and decided not to allow people with hidden agendas use her. I think this falling out came to light with the sales figures @ the release of ARTPOP. The thing that strikes me here is that the other songs released at the same time didn't really fair much better, and in some cases not as well. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zae 1 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Love this interview and honesty. Honestly though, I know something was very wrong when she started listening to the critics and inhaling their funk. If they don't believe you or your craft, leave them to die and feed everyone else at the kitchen table. It concerns me how aware she has become of the world outside her work ethic. I never thought I'd see the day, but she's just a human at the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarly2014 0 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Great interview! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wet Fire 6,866 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 ILY GAGA :hug: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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