US Charts Discussion

[chris777 112]

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I see you are new 

 

welcome to GGD!  :)

[Coop 15,354]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2486960/Lady-Gaga-puts-Taylor-Kinney-break-rumours-bed-PDA-YouTube-Awards.html

Gaga and Taylor are so cute here 

[Luc 4,775]

You live in one of Gaga's worst markets, and it's not even one of the major ones.

Obviously Dutch CD buyers are more Adele oriented than female pop oriented.

G0rl, Holland is like the #8 music market in the world. I consider any Top 10 music market major tbh 

Yeah, I guess so. But it's mostly because of smart marketing - Adele was the first major market where she was a 'major' force (19 went 7x platinum) and that was mostly because she was friends with one of the biggest late-night show presentators who promoted her a lot (kinda like Perez Hilton tbh, he's gay and fat too ). But yeah, Adele's always had a lot of promotion in this country, which is the reason she's so big here. Examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG34Y65S_Rs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fmCoUjOMXU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_I2JGQpkc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-jxjhnQJg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R95x82DxXY0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbMEqRnPXa4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCoFEzZlA7c

[Joschua 532]

Well, tastes differ. A friend in the industry told me once: a hit will clear your history and people will forgive you ANYTHING.

 

I hate to say this, since I am a fan, but this record does not have any songs on it which scream HIT to me. Obviously a matter of taste. DWYW... it is nice and groovy, but doesn't deliver a PUNCH. When I hear PF, Bad Romance, hell even EOG or BTW, I get slight chills, which to me is a sign. ARTPOP doesn't.

 

There's a reason Applause was released first and did so well - because it did do well - it IS a very good pop song, in that regard probably the best on the record. To me, though, the production was heavy handed and it was not mixed properly. The chorus is there, but it's getting lost in the production. However, the problem with Applause was it's subject matter. Coming back with a follow-up and flat out asking for 'Applause' from GP....well.... yeah.

 

Do you want to know why Roar did so well? Kids. Little kids. It entered families, and parents were relieved to hear 6-7 year olds belting out a tune THEY also liked. Hence: hit. Schools, gyms, everywhere. Katie's video? Not too great, but show it to a 7 year old and they LOVE it. Very smart.

 

ARTPOP doesn't have a song like that and Applause while being ultra strong was never that relatable.

 

People didn't really understand Bad Romance at first though. Something about the music video sealed the deal.

 

Gypsy, MANiCURE, and Sex Dreams could enter into similar spots with a really good promo cycle.

[MonsterMum 2,532]

Well, tastes differ. A friend in the industry told me once: a hit will clear your history and people will forgive you ANYTHING.

 

I hate to say this, since I am a fan, but this record does not have any songs on it which scream HIT to me. Obviously a matter of taste. DWYW... it is nice and groovy, but doesn't deliver a PUNCH. When I hear PF, Bad Romance, hell even EOG or BTW, I get slight chills, which to me is a sign. ARTPOP doesn't.

 

There's a reason Applause was released first and did so well - because it did do well - it IS a very good pop song, in that regard probably the best on the record. To me, though, the production was heavy handed and it was not mixed properly. The chorus is there, but it's getting lost in the production. However, the problem with Applause was it's subject matter. Coming back with a follow-up and flat out asking for 'Applause' from GP....well.... yeah.

 

Do you want to know why Roar did so well? Kids. Little kids. It entered families, and parents were relieved to hear 6-7 year olds belting out a tune THEY also liked. Hence: hit. Schools, gyms, everywhere. Katie's video? Not too great, but show it to a 7 year old and they LOVE it. Very smart.

 

ARTPOP doesn't have a song like that and Applause while being ultra strong was never that relatable.

 

Itaita, since you cannot make any threads yet yourself would it be ok to use your post and open a new thread with it? Here's a group of the same people more or less reading all the time. Your posts concern the whole fan base on this forum and maybe slap back some sense. 

I mean the first one that you posted here

[monketsharona 81,686]

  Hoping the video includes Xtina. Can;t believe R Kelly is the reason this single isnt doing well.

Actually a lot of people think the video includes Rick Ross and Christina (and R. Kelly of course)

[itaita 0]

Most of the people were there for BTW era and the results were still mixed. She even let her choreographer / Haus member direct  her videos and we know how much we like that.

 

Yes, but it was GLORIOUS mess. In a way, it was consistent event when it was all over the place. There was a message, and Gaga kept showing up for it.

 

Gaga's problem is her fragile ego. Love the girl, but fragile egos tend towards the most grandiose behavior. They are also quite unable to take criticism, and tend to surround themselves with people who praise them. it's understandable because the world out there is harsh, so you want comfort. And yet, it's dangerous because you lose perspective since ppl close to you start saying to you: YASS QUEEN.... SHOW THEM...YOUR THE BEST DON'T LET THEM DIM YOUR LIGHT DIS BEST SONG/DRESS/IDEA EVERRRR...

 

I think Katy is as manufactured as it gets. But guess what, I met her manager. He is old school and has been around forever. Her team is VERY on point and she defers to them. 

 

On that level of the game, one of the make or break points of an artist's career is learning to DELEGATE and doing it right. It's an art in itself. It's almost more important than anything else - besides the music, of course.

[Bt1 5,213]

Well, tastes differ. A friend in the industry told me once: a hit will clear your history and people will forgive you ANYTHING.

 

I hate to say this, since I am a fan, but this record does not have any songs on it which scream HIT to me. Obviously a matter of taste. DWYW... it is nice and groovy, but doesn't deliver a PUNCH. When I hear PF, Bad Romance, hell even EOG or BTW, I get slight chills, which to me is a sign. ARTPOP doesn't.

 

There's a reason Applause was released first and did so well - because it did do well - it IS a very good pop song, in that regard probably the best on the record. To me, though, the production was heavy handed and it was not mixed properly. The chorus is there, but it's getting lost in the production. However, the problem with Applause was it's subject matter. Coming back with a follow-up and flat out asking for 'Applause' from GP....well.... yeah.

 

Do you want to know why Roar did so well? Kids. Little kids. It entered families, and parents were relieved to hear 6-7 year olds belting out a tune THEY also liked. Hence: hit. Schools, gyms, everywhere. Katie's video? Not too great, but show it to a 7 year old and they LOVE it. Very smart.

 

ARTPOP doesn't have a song like that and Applause while being ultra strong was never that relatable.

What about Gypsy? or MANiCURE? Sexxx dreams?

 

For me, all are better than Roar.

 

I dont want Gaga to create something for a direct public like kids. I want her to create what she wants to create and after that to let people from markething present them smartly. I agree that there is a problem from the markething point of view, but musically not so much. A lot of people said that this is the best album here. Maybe there is a problem with the name. Its true that most of the songs doesnt scream hits from first listen, but there are great songs here and enough songs to make an album succesfull. 21 had only 4 singles and 2 of them didnt even had proper videos and it still sold a lot.

People didn't really understand Bad Romance at first though. Something about the music video sealed the deal.

 

Gypsy, MANiCURE, and Sex Dreams could enter into similar spots with a really good promo cycle.

I choose the same songs.

[itaita 0]

Itaita, since you cannot make any threads yet yourself would it be ok to use your post and open a new thread with it? Here's a group of the same people more or less reading all the time. Your posts concern the whole fan base on this forum and maybe slap back some sense. 

I mean the first one that you posted here

 

Sure darling. I am outta here for now, though. Enjoy your day! Get off the internet!!!!!!!

Go dance a bit around the house or something:) muah to everyone.

 

As a final note, it's all relative. There are ups, there are downs. I am sure the girl will do just fine, it will just time.

 

Perhaps a downswing is a good thing for her. If someone new comes on board she will be more ready to be a partner.

[MonsterMum 2,532]

 

Do you want to know why Roar did so well? Kids. Little kids. It entered families, and parents were relieved to hear 6-7 year olds belting out a tune THEY also liked. Hence: hit. Schools, gyms, everywhere. Katie's video? Not too great, but show it to a 7 year old and they LOVE it. Very smart.

 

 

 

I see your point here but what I just find unattractive is that its no longer about just a song anymore. It's a whole product with markering powers behind it. And I want music to speak for itself rather then having a whole marketing team to deliver a hit if you see what I mean.

I know that on that level you have to, there is a lot of money invested and it needs to get earned back and then some more. 

[Luc 4,775]

I am a fan and  a long time lurker, first time poster, also connected to the industry.

 

Anyway, I thought I would address some of your meltdowns above and set some things relatively straight. I am not here to bash, just to give some info and also put perspective on things.

 

The reason according to my sources why the video is on hold is because, indeed, Terry and Gaga went all out. It's quite, er, suggestive.

 

The problem is that, you may have not paid attention, but there has been a major R.Kelly backlash in the recent couple of weeks. The mainstream has caught on, even though it's Christmas time, and the whole industry, although most people already knew of his reputation, the Village Voice expose with the court documents posted did a lot of damage.

 

Now, you could say that it doesn't matter, and to R.Kelly it may not. His fanbase will still support him, most likely.

 

But for Gaga, who has been re-building her image, to go from Venus to making out with a publicly known pedophile and abuser, is a huge risk. Interscope does not feel it is a good one this time around. Shock value is good, when it's harmless, in their opinion. Also it's Christmas-time, and the timing of a pretty sleazy video being released just as children are getting their gifts from under the tree....eh.... not ideal. There would be hell to pay from the media who would eat this up - Gaga getting it on with R.Kelly on screen - and all the articles would link back to his online mess.

 

The video is being re-worked. I don't think it will be scrapped, though. The Christina event added to the possibility of her being in the new version but it's not confirmed, as far as I know.

 

Now, as much as Gaga is a powerhouse of ideas, she ALWAYS had brilliant collaborators who helped her filter those ideas. The reason why The Fame and TFM did so well is because there was a cohesiveness to that work, both musically and visually. She deferred to her Haus, management and although still ultra active in the creation of the presentations, she had a TEAM.

 

Now, the team is no longer there. Vince is a great guy, but he was always a yes man to her, not a real partner. It was Troy who guided her in the recent years. The industry was buzzing after their breakup. For Troy to give up his cash cow was unthinkable. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Gaga could just break that contract herself. She does not have THAT much power yet. Interscope owns her hand and foot, it's a 360 deal. For them it was an Event Horizon, not in a good way. So for Troy to depart, and before the cycle started, meant that Gaga was truly acting out and taking the reigns and was impossible to handle.

 

I am not saying it's always a bad thing to walk your own line, but on that level it's very hard to keep an even head. I think this album and the whole era show a lack of cohesiveness. Even BTW, with its flaws, still had an element of 'that something'. People loved or hated it and still do. Some in the fan base are now waxing nostalgic about it. Most people in the GP just don't really...care.

 

Anyway, here's to hoping things will turn around and Gaga acquires a brilliant collaborator/partner/strategist in no time.

OMG A JAPANESE PERSON I LOVE JAPAN I LOVE JAPANESE MONSTERS I WANT TO MOVE THERE :SNOWMESS:

 

 

Thanks for the information by the way, it really shows a lot about Interscope and the problems happening. If it's all true, then I completely agree with Interscope that the video should be reworked and/or delayed. This will be good for her image long-term. 

And it's just sad how Gaga's slowly but surely surrounding herself with just yes-men to be honest. She's taking too much responsibility by firing a lot of her team and doing most of the stuff herself, but she really isn't capable of doing everything. 

[Snowyrain 38]

854. Lady Gaga - Gypsy

This is the answer guys

[itaita 0]

What about Gypsy? or MANiCURE? Sexxx dreams?

 

For me, all are better than Roar.

 

I dont want Gaga to create something for a direct public like kids. I want her to create what she wants to create and after that to let people from markething present them smartly. I agree that there is a problem from the markething point of view, but musically not so much. A lot of people said that this is the best album here. Maybe there is a problem with the name. Its true that most of the songs doesnt scream hits from first listen, but there are great songs here and enough songs to make an album succesfull. 21 had only 4 singles and 2 of them didnt even had proper videos and it still sold a lot.

I choose the same songs.

 

You are right, of course. But Gaga is a superstar. With that power comes great resp.... oh wait, wrong forum hahaha

 

What I am saying is: if you're indie, you have no money but all the freedom in the world to make whatever you want.

 

If you're Gaga, you're an investment, you are an industry in yourself. There HAVE to be hits. At least one or two.

 

Let's hope you're right and those songs deliver. Fingers crossed. 

[Lady 748]

Yes, but it was GLORIOUS mess. In a way, it was consistent event when it was all over the place. There was a message, and Gaga kept showing up for it.

 

Gaga's problem is her fragile ego. Love the girl, but fragile egos tend towards the most grandiose behavior. They are also quite unable to take criticism, and tend to surround themselves with people who praise them. it's understandable because the world out there is harsh, so you want comfort. And yet, it's dangerous because you lose perspective since ppl close to you start saying to you: YASS QUEEN.... SHOW THEM...YOUR THE BEST DON'T LET THEM DIM YOUR LIGHT DIS BEST SONG/DRESS/IDEA EVERRRR...

 

I think Katy is as manufactured as it gets. But guess what, I met her manager. He is old school and has been around forever. Her team is VERY on point and she defers to them. 

 

On that level of the game, one of the make or break points of an artist's career is learning to DELEGATE and doing it right. It's an art in itself. It's almost more important than anything else - besides the music, of course.

But does Gaga herself understand now where she has made a mistake and that she actually NEEDS A TEAM and less these "yes-people"?  Does she get it?

[Mariano 958]

Itaita, since you cannot make any threads yet yourself would it be ok to use your post and open a new thread with it? Here's a group of the same people more or less reading all the time. Your posts concern the whole fan base on this forum and maybe slap back some sense. 

I mean the first one that you posted here

I made a thread on ATRL

But does Gaga herself understand now where she has made a mistake and that she actually NEEDS A TEAM and less these "yes-people"?  Does she get it?

No... She is actually happy for splitting with Troy   I am really scared ... If It was that easy to handle a career yourself, everyone would've been doing it ...