US Charts Discussion

[itaita 0]

I am a fan and  a long time lurker, first time poster, also connected to the industry.

 

Anyway, I thought I would address some of your meltdowns above and set some things relatively straight. I am not here to bash, just to give some info and also put perspective on things.

 

The reason according to my sources why the video is on hold is because, indeed, Terry and Gaga went all out. It's quite, er, suggestive.

 

The problem is that, you may have not paid attention, but there has been a major R.Kelly backlash in the recent couple of weeks. The mainstream has caught on, even though it's Christmas time, and the whole industry, although most people already knew of his reputation, the Village Voice expose with the court documents posted did a lot of damage.

 

Now, you could say that it doesn't matter, and to R.Kelly it may not. His fanbase will still support him, most likely.

 

But for Gaga, who has been re-building her image, to go from Venus to making out with a publicly known pedophile and abuser, is a huge risk. Interscope does not feel it is a good one this time around. Shock value is good, when it's harmless, in their opinion. Also it's Christmas-time, and the timing of a pretty sleazy video being released just as children are getting their gifts from under the tree....eh.... not ideal. There would be hell to pay from the media who would eat this up - Gaga getting it on with R.Kelly on screen - and all the articles would link back to his online mess.

 

The video is being re-worked. I don't think it will be scrapped, though. The Christina event added to the possibility of her being in the new version but it's not confirmed, as far as I know.

 

Now, as much as Gaga is a powerhouse of ideas, she ALWAYS had brilliant collaborators who helped her filter those ideas. The reason why The Fame and TFM did so well is because there was a cohesiveness to that work, both musically and visually. She deferred to her Haus, management and although still ultra active in the creation of the presentations, she had a TEAM.

 

Now, the team is no longer there. Vince is a great guy, but he was always a yes man to her, not a real partner. It was Troy who guided her in the recent years. The industry was buzzing after their breakup. For Troy to give up his cash cow was unthinkable. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Gaga could just break that contract herself. She does not have THAT much power yet. Interscope owns her hand and foot, it's a 360 deal. For them it was an Event Horizon, not in a good way. So for Troy to depart, and before the cycle started, meant that Gaga was truly acting out and taking the reigns and was impossible to handle.

 

I am not saying it's always a bad thing to walk your own line, but on that level it's very hard to keep an even head. I think this album and the whole era show a lack of cohesiveness. Even BTW, with its flaws, still had an element of 'that something'. People loved or hated it and still do. Some in the fan base are now waxing nostalgic about it. Most people in the GP just don't really...care.

 

Anyway, here's to hoping things will turn around and Gaga acquires a brilliant collaborator/partner/strategist in no time. 

 

 

Oh, in regards to the music. ARTPOP is not a bad album. But it was overhyped, again by Gaga herself. When you tell people over and over how amazingly innovative and great you are, they push back unless you OVERdeliver.

 

By the way, speaking as someone connected to her world, the reason why most of her early songs are still considered the best - they were written by Gaga on piano and THEN re-worked into tracks. They were organic to begin with. Some of BTW and pretty much most of ARTPOP imo, was written over tracks. There is a big difference when that happens. There is a slight disconnect in Gaga's case because she grew up as such a pianist/singer. You can see the differences in her acoustic performances of songs starting with BTW because she was taking those songs and THEN making them acoustic, not the other way around like before. That's why PF was so amazing on piano and got her so many fans - it was an organic song written acoustically first and then made into a pop tune.

[Pure Adrenaline 1,518]

Now, as much as Gaga is a powerhouse of ideas, she ALWAYS had brilliant collaborators who helped her filter those ideas. The reason why The Fame and TFM did so well is because there was a cohesiveness to that work, both musically and visually. She deferred to her Haus, management and although still ultra active in the creation of the presentations, she had a TEAM.

 

Now, the team is no longer there. Vince is a great guy, but he was always a yes man to her, not a real partner. It was Troy who guided her in the recent years. The industry was buzzing after their breakup. For Troy to give up his cash cow was unthinkable. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Gaga could just break that contract herself. She does not have THAT much power yet. Interscope owns her hand and foot, it's a 360 deal. For them it was an Event Horizon, not in a good way. So for Troy to depart, and before the cycle started, meant that Gaga was truly acting out and taking the reigns and was impossible to handle.

Anyway, here's to hoping things will turn around and Gaga acquires a brilliant collaborator/partner/strategist in no time.

This is ARTPOP/Gaga's biggest(only) flaw right now. And I hope she finds amaizng people that understand her like her first team of people when she began

[Mariano 958]

Normally, I'd drag you. BUT YOU TELL THEM SIS

stop with this gif

[Lady 748]

I am a fan and  a long time lurker, first time poster, also connected to the industry.

 

Anyway, I thought I would address some of your meltdowns above and set some things relatively straight. I am not here to bash, just to give some info and also put perspective on things.

 

The reason according to my sources why the video is on hold is because, indeed, Terry and Gaga went all out. It's quite, er, suggestive.

 

The problem is that, you may have not paid attention, but there has been a major R.Kelly backlash in the recent couple of weeks. The mainstream has caught on, even though it's Christmas time, and the whole industry, although most people already knew of his reputation, the Village Voice expose with the court documents posted did a lot of damage.

 

Now, you could say that it doesn't matter, and to R.Kelly it may not. His fanbase will still support him, most likely.

 

But for Gaga, who has been re-building her image, to go from Venus to making out with a publicly known pedophile and abuser, is a huge risk. Interscope does not feel it is a good one this time around. Shock value is good, when it's harmless, in their opinion. Also it's Christmas-time, and the timing of a pretty sleazy video being released just as children are getting their gifts from under the tree....eh.... not ideal. There would be hell to pay from the media who would eat this up - Gaga getting it on with R.Kelly on screen - and all the articles would link back to his online mess.

 

The video is being re-worked. I don't think it will be scrapped, though. The Christina event added to the possibility of her being in the new version but it's not confirmed, as far as I know.

 

Now, as much as Gaga is a powerhouse of ideas, she ALWAYS had brilliant collaborators who helped her filter those ideas. The reason why The Fame and TFM did so well is because there was a cohesiveness to that work, both musically and visually. She deferred to her Haus, management and although still ultra active in the creation of the presentations, she had a TEAM.

 

Now, the team is no longer there. Vince is a great guy, but he was always a yes man to her, not a real partner. It was Troy who guided her in the recent years. The industry was buzzing after their breakup. For Troy to give up his cash cow was unthinkable. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Gaga could just break that contract herself. She does not have THAT much power yet. Interscope owns her hand and foot, it's a 360 deal. For them it was an Event Horizon, not in a good way. So for Troy to depart, and before the cycle started, meant that Gaga was truly acting out and taking the reigns and was impossible to handle.

 

I am not saying it's always a bad thing to walk your own line, but on that level it's very hard to keep an even head. I think this album and the whole era show a lack of cohesiveness. Even BTW, with its flaws, still had an element of 'that something'. People loved or hated it and still do. Some in the fan base are now waxing nostalgic about it. Most people in the GP just don't really...care.

 

Anyway, here's to hoping things will turn around and Gaga acquires a brilliant collaborator/partner/strategist in no time.

OMG OMG OMG. I believe you only because what you just said is exactly what I've  been thinking by myself...that her not having a team etc is the reason why everything is how it is...

[LaXian 25]

Saw this on twitter ...

 

 

 

I can't help but laugh LOL ...

[Mariano 958]

DWUW is #12 combined

BECAUSE F***ING ROAR IS #11 COMBINED :snowmess:

:snowmess:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:snowmess:

:snowmess:

[Pure Adrenaline 1,518]

DWUW is #12 combined

BECAUSE F***ING ROAR IS #11 COMBINED :snowmess:

:snowmess:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there's more than 1 vversion of Roar  :snowmess:

[Mariano 958]

Oh, in regards to the music. ARTPOP is not a bad album. But it was overhyped, again by Gaga herself. When you tell people over and over how amazingly innovative and great you are, they push back unless you OVERdeliver.

 

By the way, speaking as someone connected to her world, the reason why most of her early songs are still considered the best - they were written by Gaga on piano and THEN re-worked into tracks. They were organic to begin with. Some of BTW and pretty much most of ARTPOP imo, was written over tracks. There is a big difference when that happens. There is a slight disconnect in Gaga's case because she grew up as such a pianist/singer. You can see the differences in her acoustic performances of songs starting with BTW because she was taking those songs and THEN making them acoustic, not the other way around like before. That's why PF was so amazing on piano and got her so many fans - it was an organic song written acoustically first and then made into a pop tune.

  Why are u drawning us with TEA :emo:

[Pure Adrenaline 1,518]

Oh, in regards to the music. ARTPOP is not a bad album. But it was overhyped, again by Gaga herself. When you tell people over and over how amazingly innovative and great you are, they push back unless you OVERdeliver.

exactly what I wrote few posts above I'm with u since BTw all we get was overhype if ARTPOP was relesed ala Beyonce's Visual Album it whould have been the most praised labum of 2013

[Snowyrain 38]

Guys like every song has multiple versions :snowmess:

 

I guess White Walls is higher than DWUW too :snowmess:

 

And Royals is like #7 combined :snowmess: 

[MonsterMum 2,532]

I am a fan and  a long time lurker, first time poster, also connected to the industry.

 

Anyway, I thought I would address some of your meltdowns above and set some things relatively straight. I am not here to bash, just to give some info and also put perspective on things.

 

The reason according to my sources why the video is on hold is because, indeed, Terry and Gaga went all out. It's quite, er, suggestive.

 

The problem is that, you may have not paid attention, but there has been a major R.Kelly backlash in the recent couple of weeks. The mainstream has caught on, even though it's Christmas time, and the whole industry, although most people already knew of his reputation, the Village Voice expose with the court documents posted did a lot of damage.

 

Now, you could say that it doesn't matter, and to R.Kelly it may not. His fanbase will still support him, most likely.

 

But for Gaga, who has been re-building her image, to go from Venus to making out with a publicly known pedophile and abuser, is a huge risk. Interscope does not feel it is a good one this time around. Shock value is good, when it's harmless, in their opinion. Also it's Christmas-time, and the timing of a pretty sleazy video being released just as children are getting their gifts from under the tree....eh.... not ideal. There would be hell to pay from the media who would eat this up - Gaga getting it on with R.Kelly on screen - and all the articles would link back to his online mess.

 

The video is being re-worked. I don't think it will be scrapped, though. The Christina event added to the possibility of her being in the new version but it's not confirmed, as far as I know.

 

Now, as much as Gaga is a powerhouse of ideas, she ALWAYS had brilliant collaborators who helped her filter those ideas. The reason why The Fame and TFM did so well is because there was a cohesiveness to that work, both musically and visually. She deferred to her Haus, management and although still ultra active in the creation of the presentations, she had a TEAM.

 

Now, the team is no longer there. Vince is a great guy, but he was always a yes man to her, not a real partner. It was Troy who guided her in the recent years. The industry was buzzing after their breakup. For Troy to give up his cash cow was unthinkable. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Gaga could just break that contract herself. She does not have THAT much power yet. Interscope owns her hand and foot, it's a 360 deal. For them it was an Event Horizon, not in a good way. So for Troy to depart, and before the cycle started, meant that Gaga was truly acting out and taking the reigns and was impossible to handle.

 

I am not saying it's always a bad thing to walk your own line, but on that level it's very hard to keep an even head. I think this album and the whole era show a lack of cohesiveness. Even BTW, with its flaws, still had an element of 'that something'. People loved or hated it and still do. Some in the fan base are now waxing nostalgic about it. Most people in the GP just don't really...care.

 

Anyway, here's to hoping things will turn around and Gaga acquires a brilliant collaborator/partner/strategist in no time.

 

The words have been the most sensible I heard on this forum yet. Thank your for posting and I hope to see more of your insights. 

[LaXian 25]

exactly what I wrote few posts above I'm with u since BTw all we get was overhype if ARTPOP was relesed ala Beyonce's Visual Album it whould have been the most praised labum of 2013

THIS, thought about this a few days ago!

[Coop 15,354]

Saw this on twitter ...

 

 

 

I can't help but laugh LOL ...

This!      :haha:  :haha:

[Snowyrain 38]

Oh, in regards to the music. ARTPOP is not a bad album. But it was overhyped, again by Gaga herself. When you tell people over and over how amazingly innovative and great you are, they push back unless you OVERdeliver.

You took words from my mouth  

[itaita 0]

  Why are u drawning us with TEA :emo:

Sorry, darling, I'll stop now:)