Just A Holy Fool 1,882 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 They represent different things and as a result, are hard to compare. I think I like BTW better still, but ask me in 2 years hun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Sonically, ARTPOP has a much superior flow. Songs really do transition into each other very well, and it's an incredibly enjoyable experience. I think that is ARTPOP's biggest advantage. That said, I still think BTW is the superior album. They're both good, but BTW is an incredible jump in themes, lyrics, and melodies (much farther ahead than ARTPOP). 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HANZ 4,380 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Lol ARTPOP is for party animals. Born This Way is for insecure 15 year olds. nnn so yeah I do think ARTPOP is better. dead My Favs = Lady Gaga, Janet Jackson, Ricky Martin, AKB48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Lol ARTPOP is for party animals. Born This Way is for insecure 15 year olds. nnn so yeah I do think ARTPOP is better. I think that is an incredibly unfair and cheap categorization, honestly. They're both enjoyable and good in their own ways, but in no way is BTW an album catered solely for insecure 15 year olds. No lie, that was probably a huge demographic, but it tackled many important and marmite social/world issues (whether they were tackled well is up to interpretation); it was more thab just a 'self love' album, even if that was a core somewhere. /sorry, i get really piped when btw is just brushed off like that 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloffame1203 0 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 BTW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I kind of agree with you, but kinda not. I still find it funny how everyone dumped on BTW until ARTPOP came along. Born This Way suffers from the production a lot. Every time I listen to Judas, for example, the vocals are muddy and sound buried in the mix. I don't know if this is an artistic choice and quite frankly I don't care; it doesn't work. Listen to Judas a capella and you'll hear all the beautiful harmonies, especially at "Jesus is my virtue." Why bury it all? Born This Way is overproduced. Marry The Night famously sounds like it was recorded through a tin can - a shame because imo it's one of the most powerful songs on the record. Americano, one of my early faves, is similarly loud and noisy. Born This Way also has a lot of tracks that I don't really care for, even if I end up enjoying them when I hear them. I always skip Hair, Bloody Mary (sorry), Bad Kids, Fashion Of His Love, Highway Unicorn, Electric Chapel, and sometimes the Queen. That's seven tracks on a seventeen track album. In other words, I like 58% of it. The worst part is the remaining tracks suffer from being overproduced (You & I, my favorite track and one which I first heard through a YouTube video of the Monster Ball). The only tracks which in my opinion are acceptably produced are Government Hooker (props to DJWS) and The Edge of Glory. Oh, and in terms of vocal clarity, Fashion Of His Love. Not that you'd know because everyone skips it. I don't want any of the justifications. I know they recorded it on a tour bus, I know it's supposed to be aggressive, I know it's supposed to be 80s. Just because something is supposed to be something doesn't mean it is and it doesn't mean it works. I'd love to hear some of the Born This Way tracks *gasp* professionally re-recorded to not sound like the mess they currently are. I heard about rumors of an acoustic album with Rick Rubin? Maybe she could redo some of the tracks. Also, in what world is Born This Way experimental? Maybe compared to Katy Perry, yeah. The only tracks which, in my opinion, qualify in the pop sense of the word are Government Hooker (disconnect between major key in the vocals during "as long as I'm your hooka-a-a" and minor in the bass) and Bloody Mary (scream, scratchy vocals, Gregorian chant inspired backing track). Hearing Born This Way the song for the first time, I thought it was way too safe musically. Judas struck me as very inspired by Bad Romance's structure. I despised Hair. I originally liked Highway Unicorn, even though it sounds like it was produced by four different people who couldn't agree on a sound for the track, but I'm now tired of it and always skip it. Government Hooker was an early favorite. I bought Born This Way and believe me, I enjoyed it quite a bit. However, there really was very little on that record that I hadn't heard before. ARTPOP is more cohesive, I'll tell you that. In terms of bleh tracks, I skip Jewels N' Drugs (her voice is easier for me to hear live and I'm surprised it's "buried"), Do What U Want (overplayed it, unfortunately), Swine (great song with sparse production; it's like the anti-BTW), ARTPOP (not bad, just prefer the live version), and Fashion! (I still don't know how to approach will.i.am speaking French). In my percentage-of-album scoring, she'd get a 66%! Which... is still not fantastic (TFM gets a 75% from me because I usually skip Dance In The Dark and Teeth; TF surprisingly enough gets a 78%?!) but for an album just two tracks shorter than BTW is pretty good. Aura's verses originally suffered from Judas-like production where I couldn't hear them clearly (though I liked the screaming) but the new verses kinda fixed that problem (while adding a new one). Venus is clunky but not in a BTW-type way. G.U.Y. is great, no complaints (except the autotune on the "your love" was really poorly done). Sexxx Dreams is beautifully done and has some fantastic vocals and harmonies. MANiCURE has fantastic rocky vocals, although the guitar solo at the end is unfortunately buried in the mix. DWUW is pretty well done, though there are a bit too many vocal overlays at times. ARTPOP and Swine, I explained. Donatella's production fits the song well and I'm warming up to the song. Fashion! is... strange. I'm not sure how to feel about it, honestly, which is probably why I run away from it. Mary Jane Holland suffers a bit from BTW-syndrome but doesn't slide down that road completely. Dope is beautifully done and I have no complaints. Gypsy is great as well. Applause is kind of messy and doesn't sound like it should be on the album. Lyrically, it's hard to say which is better just because I don't really listen to Gaga for the lyrics. I feel like Gaga likes to indulge in word salad a bit on BTW ("skeleton guns are wedding bells in the attic," all of Highway Unicorn) and thankfully that's absent on ARTPOP. I feel BTW was more autobiographical with stuff like Marry The Night, You & I, and actually Fashion Of His Love (I know it's supposed to be about McQueen but I don't buy that; she said Brown Eyes was about Freddie Mercury which wasn't true). I feel Black Jesus/Amen Fashion does the fashion theme better than Donatella and Fashion! ARTPOP has moments of lyrical genius ("we could be caught; we're both convicted criminals of thought," "lovers' kites are flown on beaches for public sight," "mine myself like coal, a mountain of a soul," "NEIN ZEDD" ) but I can't say any one song is totally awesome lyrically. "omg you're so picky" Yes I am, actually, which is why I should probably never hear anything on good headphones; I'll find even more stuff to be picky about. Nevertheless, don't think that I hate Born This Way; I've never felt badly about the album and enjoyed it plenty. I think it's a collection of great songs (and some clunkers that really should have been released on something like the app if that had been a thing back then) with unfortunate production. It's also more organic-sounding than Born This Way. I feel like ARTPOP has a lot of Electric Chapels; songs that build up but don't hit as hard as they could. Thankfully I find them to be better than Electric Chapel, which is a skip track for me, but something about the hooks at times seems... mm. Hard to explain. ARTPOP is a song that has a disappointing chorus. The "a hybrid can withstand these things" part is promising but "ARTP-O-O-O-OP" is a diappointing end. Swine's chorus isn't very hooky except for SWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE. Overall, I enjoy both of these albums. Unless there is a clear difference in quality between albums (example: Ring Ring, Waterloo compared to Arrival/The Album for ABBA; Please Please Me/With The Beatles compared to Rubber Soul or Sgt. Pepper for the Beatles) I find it very hard to rate them. As such, I'm always lost when I try to rate Gaga albums. She's lucky enough to have strong enough albums that I find it hard to rate them. How can I rate Arrival and The Album when both have their strong points? How can I compare Born This Way to ARTPOP? Is The Fame immature or is it sardonic genius? It changes depending on my mood and what I value at any given day. So far, I am happy with ARTPOP, especially since I was very worried about it. I have my criticisms for all the albums (except the flawless TFM/TF nah just kidding; make a thread for that and I'll tear them apart too) but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy them. I'm literally the world's most irrational BTW stan, and I really enjoyed this. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhonyguy04 3 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 ARTPOP is the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 11,641 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 ARTPOP is better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownlessking 103 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 It's weird, I kinda feel the opposite. ARTPOP is "too loud" for me. Yeah, BTW is loud, but in a different way. I feel like her vocals are buried on ARTPOP more (Swine, Donatella - seriously, love this song but what on earth is she saying, G.U.Y, MJH - still love my baby MJH though). I think BTW flows so much better. Maybe I'll warm up to ARTPOP, but right now, I'd rather listen to my beautiful Born This Way. <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 With all these conversations lately I decided to bump this thread tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versace 7,413 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 As an Album ARTPOP is musically 10X better than Born This Way , Born This Way as an Era overall as a theme as a vision is 10X better than ARTPOP The truth is Born This Way was ahead of its time and ARTPOP is behind its time Gaga would still have the TF/TFM impact till today if she released ARTPOP before Born This Way Because as someone said BTW felt like a LEAP whereas ARTPOP felt like a STEP , so throwing around the public with such huge artistic transitions gives off the complexity and un-generalpublic friendly vibes that BTW had at first and ARTPOP inherited from an artist who pushed the boundaries of POP music with TF&TFM so everyone assumes much more of what to come thus making her next steps come along with great risks . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake 0 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Born This Way>>>>>>>>>>>>ARTPOP>>>TFM>TF #SorryNotSorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello 112 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The truth is Born This Way was ahead of its time and ARTPOP is behind its time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lassex 1,169 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 If Born This Way was in HQ it would be my fave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pain of fame1 226 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 ARTPOP is way better tan born this way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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