Gaga Related Random Conversation Thread

[Jeff Kunst 0]

Part of my work has me dealing with several advertising agencies, who are in turn connected to the wonderful (not) world of modeling ones etc.

Anyway, this article is pretty spot on as far as the big picture and what I have heard from casual exchanges.

http://jezebel.com/5495699/exclusive-more-models-come-forward-with-allegations-against-fashion-photographer

 

Let me just say this - before you come back with 'not guilty until proven etc etc': this industry is as corrupt as it gets. A big name will get you anywhere and anything, especially if you're a powerful male. Allegations if you're a celebrity only go that far. Many, many people who are abused NEVER speak up because they want to get ahead and they are afraid of being blacklisted. Terry will never be convicted of anything by anyone. Such is the world of entertainment.

 

That's all.

I already know that the rumors and articles exist. What I don't know is why I should trust them any more than, say, the rumors and articles saying ****ty things about Gaga that we know are not true. You vaguely confirming the existence of those same rumors second-hand and linking that same article is not really helping that case- Where are the facts, beyond all this tabloid ****?

Nothing in that article even matches your made up scenario from earlier, anyway.

It's possible that Terry did terrible things and his victims were afraid to speak out, but using the lack of evidence as evidence that he's scared his alleged victims into staying quiet is silly for what should be obvious reasons.

Terry's openness about that explicit series of photos doesn't really match with the idea that he s-xually exploits vulnerable girls behind closed doors but will never be convicted because its kept secret. Why would a criminal create and spread direct evidence of their own crimes? Is he the Riddler or something?

[Gov Hooka 8,008]

Artists should only listen to feedback from other successful artists. Never the critics. If the critics really had the talent to do better, they'd be doing it, instead of just writing about it.

MTE. they are just hypocritics. people who think they could do better. At the end of the day they and us and Gaga should realize they are just other opinions in the sea of opinions that strike and degrade the shore that is Gaga's artistry. 

[DontDoubtDavid 1,191]

I don't think so, if i'm not wrong, didn't she said that he filmed her durin the surgery?

[itaita 0]

I already know that the rumors and articles exist. What I don't know is why I should trust them any more than, say, the rumors and articles saying ****ty things about Gaga that we know are not true. You vaguely confirming the existence of those same rumors second-hand and linking that same article is not really helping that case- Where are the facts?

It's possible that Terry did terrible things and his victims were afraid to speak out, but using the lack of evidence as evidence that he's scared his alleged victims into staying quiet is silly for what should be obvious reasons.

Terry's openness about that explicit series of photos doesn't really match with the idea that he s-xually exploits girls behind closed doors but will never be convicted because its kept secret. Why would a criminal create and spread direct evidence of their own crimes? Is he the Riddler or something?

 

LG is an artist, a female, and herself a victim of abuse - at least according to her directly. The rumors about her have nothing to do with her abusing other humans while profiting from it. There may be rumors about her past, character or decisions, but it's mostly just gossip, which is something that all celebrities have to deal with, and women have it harder than most. There is a big difference between these rumors and multiple allegations about Terry R.

 

Anyway, you're free to like him, it's a free world.

[Shadow 6,630]

It is all perspective. At some point, if you humor enough criticism to make it better by someone else's standard, when does it stop becoming your work and end up being some regurgitation of numerous people who may not know the original artist's message, point of her work? You judge from an art form that is standardized to package it commercially and make it work with the right technology and skill. However, isn't original art one person's story in a sense? Editing and criticism can only help in the delivery. But when editors dip into the content, they break up the integrity of the story, the art's original intent. I think that is why she might be defensive about her work, because she may wish to protect her work. And not everyone can be expected to understand the message, so people may knock what they don't understand or appreciate.

[ManuelMonsterr 0]

Yes. I am brainwashed for learning about forgiveness. You don't even know them so how can you not like them?

they give me the creeps sorry

[Jeff Kunst 0]

LG is an artist, a female, and herself a victim of abuse - at least according to her directly. The rumors about her have nothing to do with her abusing other humans while profiting from it. There may be rumors about her past, character or decisions, but it's mostly just gossip, which is something that all celebrities have to deal with, and women have it harder than most. There is a big difference between these rumors and multiple allegations about Terry R.

 

Anyway, you're free to like him, it's a free world.

The issue isn't whether I'm free to like him. Of course I am.

You seem to be implying that the more vile a rumored behavior is the more likely the rumor is to be true. I don't see why that would be the case. And that stuff about Gaga is just gossip, but your "casual exchanges" are not? How so?

Like I said earlier, the petition going around about Terry includes at least one blatant falsehood. That Jezebel article is just all-around terrible journalism, focused more on being lurid than any kind of facts. To me these are not trustworthy sources, maybe one step above The Examiner.

[ManuelMonsterr 0]

Who the hell is PDLM?

Hey did you hear Obama is a terrorist sleeper agent with a fake birth certificate?

paws down little monsters the **** who doesnt have anything to  do so he bashes gaga all day on his ****ty tumblr

[craig 680]

Also she can't really listen to the criticism because people criticize ever single thing she does, and often in a contradictory manner. Listening would mean creative paralysis.

 

Exactly.

Plus so much stan criticism is not about disliking "the product" it's amateur theorizing about what "the company" needs to do to sell more. 

[Ronk 14,762]

really ? like really ? 

welll at the end of the day i think let Gaga be Gaga, she does whatever she wants to, d--gs, smokes, people learn from mistakes and im sure Gaga does that as well .... so yea, we just have to watch gaga grows by time :)

Yeah, really.  I agree with what you say, but I was talking about the music.  We, the critics, the public, or her label don't write her songs.  As soon as she is weighed down by the pressure of all these considerations she could become just another pop artist creatively, writing for everybody else, not herself.  I think one thing that makes her special is that she does write for herself and the quality shows.  If you think some of her songs are amazing, I think that's all Gaga's artistry shining through.

[Jeff Kunst 0]

Exactly.

Plus so much stan criticism is not about disliking "the product" it's amateur theorizing about what "the company" needs to do to sell more.

That's true too. And since she's made it really really clear that selling and charts are not her main focus at all its good that she's started dismissing and questioning all that. That whole attitude really needs to be questioned.

[Jeff Kunst 0]

paws down little monsters the **** who doesnt have anything to  do so he bashes gaga all day on his ****ty tumblr

Oh ok. Yeah he's a perfect example of someone motivated to criticize a celebrity by something other than the truth. The existence of those people is why I say not to believe everything we read about the famous.

[Alchemist 0]

I'm not assuming anything anymore because they've all been wrong as of today. I wish she'd just tell us what the deal is, but I'll keep on waiting

[ManuelMonsterr 0]

Oh ok. Yeah he's a perfect example of someone motivated to criticize a celebrity by something other than the truth. The existence of those people is why I say not to believe everything we read about the famous.

yeah, he was supposed to criticise the "facts" and her professional life but he ends up attacking her family or her looks all the time ,

 

i mean... he is like a 40yo Madonna stan, still acts like a pressed teenager

[ThreadKiller 0]

It is all perspective. At some point, if you humor enough criticism to make it better by someone else's standard, when does it stop becoming your work and end up being some regurgitation of numerous people who may not know the original artist's message, point of her work? You judge from an art form that is standardized to package it commercially and make it work with the right technology and skill. However, isn't original art one person's story in a sense? Editing and criticism can only help in the delivery. But when editors dip into the content, they break up the integrity of the story, the art's original intent. I think that is why she might be defensive about her work, because she may wish to protect her work. And not everyone can be expected to understand the message, so people may knock what they don't understand or appreciate.

 

Its not like alot of her work is subtle, though. There's people who understand (especially people/fans invested enough to follow through forums) but simply don't like it.