ManuelMonsterr 0 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 seriously i think at this also, i think she would be sacrificed for a bigger pop star, i dont know why but since she's 27 this makes sense and now i think the industry is currently playing on her and miley cyrus....the decay of gaga and the born superstar of miley cyrus.. not even joking well, being a legend does not always need a clear state, but it takes a legend to change music industry, and here's gaga standing changing it well .. yeah she changed the industry and many lives :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 She should really specify then, because there are at least two types and making it seem like she doesn't want to hear the constructive stuff makes her seem really... idk. How am I supposed to agree or disagree with you when you don't even know what you're trying to say. Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughdancy 282 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Also, you said "How are you supposed to know how to get better without knowing what you're doing wrong?" 1) What and who dictates what you're doing "wrong?" 2) Should you listen to people when they're telling you what you're doing "wrong?" 3) If your answer is "sales dictates if you're doing something right (artistically)" then would you also agree therefore that the only way to grow is by always doing what's "in" or "popular?" 1) By this I mean the management mis-step of the ARTPOP era. Do you really think that this promo schedule could be considered right? Do you think this was the master plan? 2) To an extent, yes. If what they're saying will help you refine and improve your art without changing the fact that it is your art or without changing it's meaning, then yes. It's not like Gaga doesn't take any criticism day to day - when she creates a track or lyrics, DJWS or whoever the producer is will tell her what works and what doesn't. That's the sort of constructive criticism that helps improve art. It's not like Gaga comes into the studio with a completed track and refuses to let anyone change anything about it. 3) My argument isn't that at all. I never once mentioned sales except as an example of destructive criticism. Thank you for your opinion, we appreciate it very much. Is this sarcasm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiendman 237 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Considering we hardly have seen her in public or in interviews lately I don't think we can accurately state her mental condition. It's better to be safe than sorry though. The picture she posted of her painting was not someone expressing happy feelings. She is in a dark place and in need of help. I appreciate what you're saying, and while I do believe that she is in need of some counselling, none of the things you're saying point to d--g abuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 1) By this I mean the management mis-step of the ARTPOP era. Do you really think that this promo schedule could be considered right? Do you think this was the master plan? 2) To an extent, yes. If what they're saying will help you refine and improve your art without changing the fact that it is your art or without changing it's meaning, then yes. It's not like Gaga doesn't take any criticism day to day - when she creates a track or lyrics, DJWS or whoever the producer is will tell her what works and what doesn't. That's the sort of constructive criticism that helps improve art. It's not like Gaga comes into the studio with a completed track and refuses to let anyone change anything about it. 3) My argument isn't that at all. I never once mentioned sales except as an example of destructive criticism. 1) If you're talking about critiques toward management missteps, I agree with you entirely. It's a hot mess. Everything I said only applies towards the music itself. 2) If the aim is to please a whole bunch of people, then yes. If the aim is to release something that you truly feel happy about, then no. I'm not talking about her work with producers, because obviously she should listen to them in order to actually format the song. Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughdancy 282 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 1) If you're talking about critiques toward management missteps, I agree with you entirely. It's a hot mess. Everything I said only applies towards the music itself. 2) If the aim is to please a whole bunch of people, then yes. If the aim is to release something that you truly feel happy about, then no. I'm not talking about her work with producers, because obviously she should listen to them in order to actually format the song. I am talking about the management missteps mostly here. And I guess we can agree to disagree about number 2 :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 And I guess we can agree to disagree about number 2 :P Okay. I still don't really get your opinion because I think it still sounds like getting peer-pressured into changing something after you have already worked with professionals and released something you believe truly represents yourself, and then someone says, "It's nice if that was the theme you were going for, but personally I would have wanted a more (insert adjective) theme instead", and after they say that you are supposed to cower to their almighty wisdom, although they're not any more wise than anyone else, they just have an opinion too. Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adorno 484 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I totally agree with you. While she is probably stressed out to the fullest right now she is just very sensitive, I don't blame her for that. You're implying that the only way to grow is by doing what other people say. no, he is not at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 109,493 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Winter blues tbh. You're nice for being worried tho! (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ dancin' until i'm dead (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 And I don't think we should judge her by what she says on Little Monsters. She's not making press releases or anything, she's supposedly just talking to her diehard fans and instead of keeping quiet and not saying ANYTHING to her fans, she lets her fans that she holds close to the heart know how she truly thinks about everything, and that she's not without an opinion. I feel like such honest display of emotions should not be picked apart. It's right from the heart and she (probably) feels as though we should appreciate and accept her "behind the scenes" thoughts rather than, you know. Making fun of her for them or something. She can still portray an artistic image outwardly while having an intimate relationship elsewhere. Her only fault may be in trusting that her fans can decipher the differences between her fan image and her artistic image, and that we would be able to focus on her artistic image alone and get what she's trying to portray artistically with it without paying attention to irrelevant other things. Although right now, her artistic image is indeed basically the same as her personal image. Maybe that's why there's all the uproar now, because Do What U Want is really the only song that combines both her personal side and her artistic side, whereas before there was always a divide for the most part. (To clarify if confused, Do What U Want is not really artistic at all. It's just a statement from her, personally. I see no artistic value in the single at all, which I'm saying matter-of-factually, not judgmentally) Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefani328 321 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 People are constantly reaching backwards instead of looking at it in the present and make up their mind if they like what to see RIGHT NOW. It's the same with this fanbase. Members that go on and on about how they hate everything this era, and only cling on what she has done in the past to drag her for what she is doing now. They can't even make a post without mentioning Boomkack, Dada, and the rest of her old team. I don't understand. If you are so unsatisfied by everything. Why stay?There are plenty others to admire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 109,493 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Well, you know what, she clearly had putting her ear condom on. So idk man, I kinda fear and worried for her. If she never open to criticism then I fear when she breaks she will never really mends. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ dancin' until i'm dead (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 no, he is not at all How? He IS saying the only way to grow is through the criticism of others. Using the word "criticism" is not any different than saying "someone else's opinion." Essentially to me this is saying the only way to artistically grow is through others' perception. Am I looking at this wrong? Genuine question, no hard feelings. Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroe 24 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 She is referring to the criticism that says, "that sucks" and doesn't give an educated reason why. Come on kids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seacowst 0 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 She should really specify then, because there are at least two types and making it seem like she doesn't want to hear the constructive stuff makes her seem really... idk. I love ARTPOP and I think it deserved a much better score than the critics gave it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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