Portugal bans burqas in public spaces

[GagaisHotAF 502]

32 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I love that you've come into a thread, where a lot of the commentators are European and you're complaining about American superiority complexes among the people debating this without any sense of irony. 

are you from portugal? a lot of europeans have a sense of superiority too. it is their country and they have their own needs and fears.

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,407]

2 hours ago, GagaisHotAF said:

We Americans need to realize that not every country is like ours.

Sorry, the ethnocentrism argument is tired. By that same logic you could say laws in Afghanistan forbidding women from effectively being seen in public should be permissible because “it’s their country and they have different needs.”

Edited August 30 by Ladle Ghoulash

[Bronco 29,245]

1 hour ago, GagaisHotAF said:

are you from portugal? a lot of europeans have a sense of superiority too. it is their country and they have their own needs and fears.

I'm from Europe. 

And in the Europe I was raised in, racial fears aren't justification for bad behaviour. 

[GagaisHotAF 502]

1 hour ago, Bronco said:

I'm from Europe. 

And in the Europe I was raised in, racial fears aren't justification for bad behaviour. 

got it, so not from portugal. and it isn’t racial fear, it is cultural fear. they don’t want some handmaid’s tale stuff in their country. they don’t have to wear their burqas. religious people do the most sometimes.

[Bronco 29,245]

11 minutes ago, GagaisHotAF said:

got it, so not from portugal. and it isn’t racial fear, it is cultural fear. they don’t want some handmaid’s tale stuff in their country. they don’t have to wear their burqas. religious people do the most sometimes.

It's absolutely a racial fear. The bill was introduced by a far-right wing party which is notorious for links to white supremacism. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,407]

This one sure brought a bunch of weirdos out of the woodwork ngl 

[Delulu Rogers 7,687]

Okay I’ll mention it again cause nobody responded the first time. 

Forget about Europe, Islamophobia, anti-Arab etc. 

There are many Muslim countries that also have a ban on niqab and burqa. Is there another side to the argument/reason for the ban that we aren’t discussing? Surely the Muslim countries can’t be islamophobic. So what’s the reason?

 

Edited August 30 by Delulu Rogers

[The Breast 7,179]

I'm tryna rationalise this in a way that explores "safety". But fr tell me how many women in muslim attire, let alone burqa/niqab are you ever gonna see outside, then tell me how many of them are even gonna CONSIDER doing anything to you...
Now tell me can you seriously not hold your own against someone covered head to toe in bedsheets, or even just run away from them. Childish argument but come on 

[GagaisHotAF 502]

18 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

This one sure brought a bunch of weirdos out of the woodwork ngl 

not at all. some people are just sick of the toxicity of religion. France banned burqas a long time ago because they are a secular society. people are just dramatic af about the ban.

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,407]

1 hour ago, GagaisHotAF said:

some people are just sick of the toxicity of religion

I am too, but states banning the practice/expression of religion (and disproportionately targeting one specific religion) ain’t it. The battle for secularity is fought in the realm of civil discourse, not government censorship of civil religious practice.

Edited August 31 by Ladle Ghoulash

[dynamite 67,886]

18 hours ago, The Breast said:

Now tell me can you seriously not hold your own against someone covered head to toe in bedsheets

[MarvinGa 1,471]

Ok. Maybe not 100% appropriate example, but it’s about the „idea” - so, Indonesia can ban ONE Gaga’s show in arena because of „religious protests” but Portugal isn’t allowed to ban thousands of burqas in public space? 

This is called caring for the culture and assets of a given place when they begin to deviate from the main idea - every country has the right to do so and every tourist should respect it. 

[Bronco 29,245]

19 hours ago, Delulu Rogers said:

Okay I’ll mention it again cause nobody responded the first time. 

Forget about Europe, Islamophobia, anti-Arab etc. 

There are many Muslim countries that also have a ban on niqab and burqa. Is there another side to the argument/reason for the ban that we aren’t discussing? Surely the Muslim countries can’t be islamophobic. So what’s the reason?

 

There's this thing called motivation. 

When that motivation is white supremacism (this bill was introduced into the Portuguese legislature by an openly fascist party) then yeah, people will point it out. 

[Bronco 29,245]

1 hour ago, GagaisHotAF said:

France banned burqas a long time ago because they are a secular society.

Nothing says secular government like targeted legal restrictions against the freedom to practice religion. 

[Delulu Rogers 7,687]

9 minutes ago, Bronco said:

There's this thing called motivation. 

When that motivation is white supremacism (this bill was introduced into the Portuguese legislature by an openly fascist party) then yeah, people will point it out. 

I’m not understanding what you mean