It Gets Worse, Gwen Stefani Caught Following Anti Gay Rights & Right Wing Accounts

[zevthepaparazzo 2,589]

9 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

lol

i'm afraid i couldn't say the same 

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,864]

55 minutes ago, timdrake said:

I mean, the person I actually asked answered the question respectfully without issue so... 

That's okay! Public forum, free will, and all that. Figured if you weren't bothering to stick to the topic then it's kind of a say-what-you-feel vibe 💜

Edited August 15 by Roughhouse Dandy

[timdrake 2,472]

15 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

That's okay! Public forum, free will, and all that. Figured if you weren't bothering to stick to the topic then it's kind of a say-what-you-feel vibe 💜

and I'll make sure to go through you directly next time I want to ask someone else a question about their specific beliefs that only they would know!

Edited August 15 by timdrake

[Bronco 27,611]

44 minutes ago, timdrake said:

and I'll make sure to go through you directly next time I want to ask someone else a question about their specific beliefs that only they would know!

Take the L

You tried whataboutism which is just dishonest bs let's be fair 

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,282]

12 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Take the L

You tried whataboutism which is just dishonest bs let's be fair 

I mean, the basis of a huge part of this discussion has kinda been bs, tbf lol. Score settling and stale receipts all the way down. 

Edited August 16 by Ladle Ghoulash

[timdrake 2,472]

35 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Take the L

You tried whataboutism which is just dishonest bs let's be fair 

1. Hi! don't tell me what to do

2. That's two days in a row you've said I'm being dishonest. You don't know my intentions better than I do, but I'm starting to think you just like to assume the worst in people

3. My question came AFTER other people had already implied religion was wholesale anti-gay (and brought other religions into the conversation), and I asked one specific person if their negative view of Christianty was similar with other major religions with similar views. It's not a big deal. They literally answered the question and expanded on their views and it was fine! 

 

It's kind of pathetic that I can't ask one person a question without people jumping in and trying to shut it down as some type of ~deflective question~ with an ulterior motive. Why would I be engaging in "whataboutism" when I condemned Gwen on page 2 for following hateful religious extremist bigots? Why would I want to deflect if I agree that the people she's following are bad?

Also "take the L", this isn't a game, babe, it's a conversation. if you view it as something to win or lose, please grow up 

Edited August 16 by timdrake

[LG10 14,137]

20 hours ago, Controversiaga said:

I remember people on this site bashing me for saying Gwen posted concerning content and it was her promoting that paid prayer app.. 

Everyone in there defending her and her choice to follow some whack ass religion that promotes anti-gay rhetoric

id love to hear yall thoughts on little ms Gwen now @Jill @OMF @Shadow @NCgaga @VTV @tylertremallose @faysalaaa

 @Chromanne@Future Lovers @River@thisboyisamonster @CookieHWilson @Super @Jester

stop acting all righteous n sht if some of us queer people don’t like to see icons we grew up with support a religion that doesn’t support us 

don’t think I forgot 

i was in psychosis idk what to say

[Controversiaga 17,039]

13 minutes ago, VTV said:

i was in psychosis idk what to say

That’s okay angel, you are safe now 

[Controversiaga 17,039]

44 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, the basis of a huge part of this discussion has kinda been bs, tbf lol. Score settling and stale receipts all the way down. 

Excuse me ??????????? 

[Ladle Ghoulash 55,282]

Just now, Controversiaga said:

Excuse me ??????????? 

You heard me and you admitted as much. Eat your cold spaghetti. 

[Controversiaga 17,039]

Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said:

You heard me and you admitted as much. Eat your cold spaghetti. 

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,864]

2 hours ago, timdrake said:

and I'll make sure to go through you directly next time I want to ask someone else a question about their specific beliefs that only they would know!

See, look at that! You already got better. We love character development

 

[ALonelyNight 752]

Wow it got ugly for a bit in here. 

Regarding the religion argument - trying to deny the homophobia present in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam based on scripture is fruitless, because said scripture contains clear prohibitions of sodomy and debauchery, which were and still are used to prosecute gay people. The Torah contains the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, which is relevant in both Christianity and Islam as well.

Individual religious practitioners and worshipers, as well as congregations, can be accepting of the LGBT community, however. This goes for every religion, so long as that congregation, school of thought, or individual person makes that tolerance a part of their belief system. I was raised in a Reform and later Conservative Jewish congregation, where everyone was accepting of me and of gay rights.

Similarly, I've had Catholic coworkers who were very accepting of me (and very liberal in general, I'll add). Their faith in God- did not extend to them hating people different than them.

Since the topic was brought up, Islam is a more interesting subject in the 21st century, but not because of anything inherent in its teachings that is not also present in Judaism or Christianity. Most Muslim majority nations are either developing or least developed nations, have an authoritarian or otherwise controlling, oppressive government, or both. These factors lead countries and the groups of people within their borders to be very intolerant - essentially, the same factors that make the majority Christian nations of Uganda, South Sudan, and Russia dangerous for LGBT rights make countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. 

Lack of education, opportunity, and infrastructure pushes people toward religion as a savior, especially under tyrannical governments with corrupt leaders.

Unfortunately, there is not currently a significant enough liberal school of thought in Islam to counteract the gravity and prevalence of Salafism/Wahhabism, two extremely fundamentalist interpretations which are outright banned in some European jurisdictions due to being at odds with their  country's constitutions. This is not helped by the rise of terror groups that spread propaganda online about Western nations and values, and the fact that Saudi Arabia and Iran fund mosques and Islamic schools in the West and in doing so incorporate fundamentalist teachings into their curricula. 

That is not to say that a liberal Islam is not possible - it is, and many politicans in the US such as Mamdani, Ilhan Omar, and Rashia Tlaib are at the forefront of it. 

All that said, I am truly blessed to be living in a country so comparatively tolerant to my nature, and it's enraging when bigots make themselves known. **** Gwen Stefani

 

If anyone wants to correct me on any of my argument feel free, I'm always open to learning

[27monster27 16,039]

16 minutes ago, ALonelyNight said:

Wow it got ugly for a bit in here. 

Regarding the religion argument - trying to deny the homophobia present in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam based on scripture is fruitless, because said scripture contains clear prohibitions of sodomy and debauchery, which were and still are used to prosecute gay people. The Torah contains the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, which is relevant in both Christianity and Islam as well.

Individual religious practitioners and worshipers, as well as congregations, can be accepting of the LGBT community, however. This goes for every religion, so long as that congregation, school of thought, or individual person makes that tolerance a part of their belief system. I was raised in a Reform and later Conservative Jewish congregation, where everyone was accepting of me and of gay rights.

Similarly, I've had Catholic coworkers who were very accepting of me (and very liberal in general, I'll add). Their faith in God- did not extend to them hating people different than them.

Since the topic was brought up, Islam is a more interesting subject in the 21st century, but not because of anything inherent in its teachings that is not also present in Judaism or Christianity. Most Muslim majority nations are either developing or least developed nations, have an authoritarian or otherwise controlling, oppressive government, or both. These factors lead countries and the groups of people within their borders to be very intolerant - essentially, the same factors that make the majority Christian nations of Uganda, South Sudan, and Russia dangerous for LGBT rights make countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. 

Lack of education, opportunity, and infrastructure pushes people toward religion as a savior, especially under tyrannical governments with corrupt leaders.

Unfortunately, there is not currently a significant enough liberal school of thought in Islam to counteract the gravity and prevalence of Salafism/Wahhabism, two extremely fundamentalist interpretations which are outright banned in some European jurisdictions due to being at odds with their  country's constitutions. This is not helped by the rise of terror groups that spread propaganda online about Western nations and values, and the fact that Saudi Arabia and Iran fund mosques and Islamic schools in the West and in doing so incorporate fundamentalist teachings into their curricula. 

That is not to say that a liberal Islam is not possible - it is, and many politicans in the US such as Mamdani, Ilhan Omar, and Rashia Tlaib are at the forefront of it. 

All that said, I am truly blessed to be living in a country so comparatively tolerant to my nature, and it's enraging when bigots make themselves known. **** Gwen Stefani

 

If anyone wants to correct me on any of my argument feel free, I'm always open to learning

This reply right here is *chefs kiss*. You nailed it for sure. The only thing that could be added is that a lot of majority islamic countries being less developed does have some roots in imperialism and colonialism, which was forced on a lot of these people by Christians, ironically. But yeah, you got it to a T.

[ALonelyNight 752]

11 minutes ago, 27monster27 said:

This reply right here is *chefs kiss*. You nailed it for sure. The only thing that could be added is that a lot of majority islamic countries being less developed does have some roots in imperialism and colonialism, which was forced on a lot of these people by Christians, ironically. But yeah, you got it to a T.

Thank you so much, I've been thinking about this stuff since I was 16. It just never made sense to me when Redditors and influencers would act like Islam itself was the issue when the Qur'an mentions homosexuality directly a grand total of one time (I'm fairly sure), where it calls it an abomination, and I knew from my bar mitzvah readings that the Torah contains more or less the same, in addition to a bunch of other kinky sex stuff.

(If you want to underscore it further, the Qur'an doesn't even call for execution, several hadith do, but those aren't the word of God, though they are considered strong hadith)

It's unfortunate that some of the answers to these issues are in the power of our governments, like denying that funding from Saudi Arabia and Iran, but will never happen due to greed

Edited August 16 by ALonelyNight