‘The Odyssey’ debuts with 98% RT score

[Bronco 24,289]

I'm assuming @River is bored again. 

All the hallmarks of it. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 51,795]

20 minutes ago, gagzus said:

Sonnets are still poems just in shorter format

Sonnets are 14 line poems written in iambic pentameter with an alternating rhyme scheme that end in a rhyming couplet. They also were invented roughly 1300 years after The Odyssey. Much love to you, diva, but take the L on that one.

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[gagzus 22,567]

Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Sonnets are 14 line poems written in iambic pentameter with an alternating rhyme scheme that end in a rhyming couplet. Much love to you, diva, but take the L on that one.

That’s fine on that one, but I stand firm on the fact it’s all entirely fictionalised bar the setting and was most definitely improvised. 

[River 127,065]

9 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I'm assuming @River is bored again. 

All the hallmarks of it. 

I'm not 

I'm actually very passionate about Greek and Roman archeology, I mean, I have a master degree in Archeology (zoo-archeology to be precise).

In the archeology context, these myth are part of the greek history, they are not an history book per se of course, but it preserved the historical and cultural memory of Greece through stories and oral story telling.

And more than that they preserve, locations, conflicts, migrations, even politics.

 

For example, if you strip down the whole god and magic from the bible, you get a lot of information about the geopolitical situation in the whole area of Mesopotamia.

[Ladle Ghoulash 51,795]

1 minute ago, River said:

In the archeology context, these myth are part of the greek history, they are not an history book per se of course, but it preserved the historical and cultural memory of Greece through stories and oral story telling.

That doesn’t really contradict a lot of the points that folks have made about The Odyssey being historical fiction, tho 

[River 127,065]

Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said:

That doesn’t really contradict a lot of the points that folks have made about The Odyssey being historical fiction, tho 

and I didn't say that they are wrong? it is a myth. but it is a history too. both things can work together, and I explain in the post above.

I pointed out the wrong claims of gagzus, which didn't mean to discredit the "myth".

[Bronco 24,289]

17 minutes ago, River said:

I'm not 

I'm actually very passionate about Greek and Roman archeology, I mean, I have a master degree in Archeology (zoo-archeology to be precise).

In the archeology context, these myth are part of the greek history, they are not an history book per se of course, but it preserved the historical and cultural memory of Greece through stories and oral story telling.

And more than that they preserve, locations, conflicts, migrations, even politics.

 

For example, if you strip down the whole god and magic from the bible, you get a lot of information about the geopolitical situation in the whole area of Mesopotamia.

See this I do agree with, but its akin to how Shakespeare can be used to understand court politics in his era.

Yes they are often political/cultural/social allegories but they are still fictional stories. 

[4th Time Around 5,044]

I'm excited to watch this as a lifelong nerd of Greek history and mythology. I keep seeing complaints about the movie being historically inaccurate or reimagined through a feminist lens and it seems like people making those claims have never even read Homer's Odyssey. It's essentially a myth placed in a semi-historical setting and Homer depicts numerous women throughout the tale as having great amounts of power, agency and complex characters/emotions. Seems as if it's impossible to win with these types obsessed with the "cultural war" since they are always going to find a way to complain about something irrelevant. 

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[Bronco 24,289]

Just now, 4th Time Around said:

I'm excited to watch this as as a lifelong nerd of Greek history and mythology. I keep seeing complaints about the movie being historically inaccurate or reimagined through a feminist lens and it seems like people making those complains have never even read Homer's Odyssey. It's essentially a myth placed in a semi-historical setting and Homer depicts numerous women throughout the tale as having great amounts of power, agency and complex characters/emotions. Seems as if it's impossible to win with these types obsessed with the "cultural war" since they are always going to find a way to complain about something irrelevant. 

Ive seen red pilled losers on twitter complain there may be gay content in it.

 

And I'm like sis.

Do you want historical accuracy or not?

[River 127,065]

Just now, Bronco said:

See this I do agree with, but its akin to how Shakespeare can be used to understand court politics in his era.

Yes they are often political/cultural/social allegories but they are still fictional stories. 

exactly, this is what I tried to explain since the beginning  

[MaybeKermit 5,198]

So wait, it’s a fantasy movie? Like with greek gods? They have powers?

I thought it was a movie a la 300

[gagzus 22,567]

23 minutes ago, MaybeKermit said:

So wait, it’s a fantasy movie? Like with greek gods? They have powers?

I thought it was a movie a la 300

It’s based on The Odyssey which is about Odysseus’ 10 year journey back home after the Trojan War as described in the Iliad, as he was cursed to wander the seas after angering Poseidon. There’s gods and monsters in the Odyssey but judging from what we’ve seen it’s a very “realistic” and grounded interpretation when it comes to the gods, and Nolan said he was inspired by Guillermo del Toro for the monsters so it’s part fantasy part war movie part drama.

Matt Damon plays Odysseus, Anne is his wife Penelope and Tom Holland is his son Telemachus. It’s apparently quite a character study as much as a fantasy and drama.

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,527]

Even on gagadaily I can't escape people being weird about this movie. Exhausting.