Ateez debuts at #1 on BB200 with 5k streaming units

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5 hours ago, Horny Chicken said:

Although Kpop deserves its own fair share of criticism, these threads are such a breeding ground for racism. Every time Teletubby makes these threads, it’s like inviting people to just **** on other cultures. 

There are things that we criticize, and there are things that have nothing to do with it. But because it’s a different culture that doesn’t exactly fit the white masculinity ideal, it’s automatically 💩. 

I’m not saying don’t make these threads, but at least remind people to tone down their racist views a bit. 

 

4 hours ago, monstertoronto said:

I didn’t want to jump to the “R” word but I was definitely thinking it. The immediate dismissal of any K-pop band, with the expectation that everyone will mock and pile-on simply because of the assumption that NO ONE here has heard of them, and the very idea that they debuted on top is somehow ludicrous even if they have never heard them, there’s no real explanation other than racism. They aren’t “one of us” how dare they top “our chart” 

I think it’s a little more complicated than that. The main point of this thread is that they Topped BB200 solely on sales, which really is a bit suspicious if you think about it.

People on this forum also criticise Taylor Swift for example who is as American as it can get and is using similar tactics. But at least she has the streaming power to back it up. 

Having no streams implies that a small amount of people bought a huge amount of copies or that they were bought from abroad. So just playing the racism card is a bit short sighted in my opinion.

[gagzus 22,221]

I still have yet to hear a single KPop song that isn’t a rehash of old American trends and this is no different yawn

[Chromanne 2,563]

Well it's clearly not practical for a huge number of people to buy upto 200k+ physical copies but not stream it which is more cheaper than buying an album. This is only possible if there is some fraudulence involved. Also, let's not call any genuine criticism of K-pop as racism since K-pop industry itself is inherently racist and colorist.

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2 hours ago, Slappy said:

 

I think it’s a little more complicated than that. The main point of this thread is that they Topped BB200 solely on sales, which really is a bit suspicious if you think about it.

People on this forum also criticise Taylor Swift for example who is as American as it can get and is using similar tactics. But at least she has the streaming power to back it up. 

Having no streams implies that a small amount of people bought a huge amount of copies or that they were bought from abroad. So just playing the racism card is a bit short sighted in my opinion.

Maybe I didn’t make my point as clear as I should have. I’m as anti Kpop as one could possibly be (these days at least). From the manufactured idols, lack of talent, slave contracts, bots to BTS being sellouts, I’ve criticized it all here.

The problem is that some members use these threads to sneak in racist remarks constantly that have nothing to do with the subject matter. 

@TaylorSwift I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to call you out like you were promoting it. 

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I just can’t get into the hyper manufactured world that is Kpop, it used to be sooooo much better back in the days of like 2NE1 and T-ARA now it just feels like they’re desperately pushing a product and chasing lightning in a bottle for as much money and attention as possible (not the groups the management, I feel bad for the groups) 

[LGAte 762]

I like this album cover and its creative design! 
 

They’re all super attractive too so I guess I get it.

 

honestly never heard their music though. 
 

America is still super racist though so no wonder I don’t know their music. But I’m sure white people on here will think they are cool for dissing their success and claiming K-pop steals sales/cheats when America’s biggest pop star Taylor Swift does worse. 
 

Us Americans are really good at calling out other countries’ flaws while simultaneously not thinking about the fact that maybe people in these countries look at our biggest names and see the same kind of cheating.

 

Do you honestly believe Morgan Wallen, Tate McCrae, Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, Benson Boone don’t play these same type of games? 
 

Americans are just better at lying about it. 
 

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[Sepsami 20,756]

Oh it's a kpop band, who could have thought 

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1 hour ago, Hydrangea said:

I just can’t get into the hyper manufactured world that is Kpop, it used to be sooooo much better back in the days of like 2NE1 and T-ARA now it just feels like they’re desperately pushing a product and chasing lightning in a bottle for as much money and attention as possible (not the groups the management, I feel bad for the groups) 

Thanks for this comment, I hate when people pull the racist card on me just because I'm not a fan of the obviously fake world that is Kpop just because it originates from another part of the world. That industry is problematic AF. 

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7 hours ago, monstertoronto said:

The way people who haven’t decided to expand their music habits to include certain international artists are dismissing them, as if their personal unfamiliarity is the standard by which something is trash or irrelevant. There are other fan bases out there who like music you may not and that doesn’t mean it’s tragic or their success is automatically “payola”. Artists are able to succeed that you aren’t personally a fan of. 

There is already plenty of uninspired, manufactured and highly curated 'music', why would I need to go abroad for it  and calling them artists is such a reach. There's a reason they're called idols and not artists by even their own fanbases.

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51 minutes ago, Sepsami said:

why would I need to go abroad for it  and calling them artists is such a reach

Yikes 

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57 minutes ago, Sepsami said:

, I hate when people pull the racist card on me

I’m sure you do. 

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1 hour ago, Sepsami said:

Thanks for this comment, I hate when people pull the racist card on me just because I'm not a fan of the obviously fake world that is Kpop just because it originates from another part of the world. That industry is problematic AF. 

No one pulled the racist card on you here? 
You only commented *after* people had talked about racism, not before. No one called you out on anything. 
So why are you trying to invent a victimhood scenario for yourself? 

[Bronco 23,829]

Just going to point out - 

You can absolutely call out the blatant anti-consumer exploitation of KPop fanbases by the industry and call out the rampant abuse of the idol system. 
No one here is opposed to that (that I can see). 

But everyone going "it's not racist to criticise genuinely bad practices", while you are right. 
Only one of the critical comments about this post on this first page, prior to the first comment about racism, even made fleeting reference to critcism of Kpop as an industry. You're defending a view point that wasn't being challenged.

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3 hours ago, Horny Chicken said:

@TaylorSwift I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to call you out like you were promoting racism. 

This isn't about K-pop, but the fact that Billboard allows all artists to release so many different variants to achieve big numbers. 5-6 variants would be enough, but now almost everyone has over 20. 
We know that the people buying these variants are die-hard fans, and these artists, instead of making all the options available at once, release new ones every week so that their fans buy more, or even limit availability to 24 hours - like Taylor S. Also independent artists have their releases delayed because artists like Taylor, Ed Sheeran, Coldplay... jump the queue and clog CD & vinyl factories to manufacture millions of variants. 

This is ridiculous what's happening right now:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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53 minutes ago, TaylorSwift said:

This isn't about K-pop, but the fact that Billboard allows all artists to release so many different variants to achieve big numbers. 5-6 variants would be enough, but now almost everyone has over 20. 
We know that the people buying these variants are die-hard fans, and these artists, instead of making all the options available at once, release new ones every week so that their fans buy more, or even limit availability to 24 hours - like Taylor S. Also independent artists have their releases delayed because artists like Taylor, Ed Sheeran, Coldplay... jump the queue and clog CD & vinyl factories to manufacture millions of variants. 

This is ridiculous what's happening right now:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You’re right, this level of greed deserves to be called out. And sorry for derailing the thread. It’s just me witnessing something that has bothered me for years. 
 

Edited 3 hours ago by Horny Chicken