Irish ancestry?

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  Did not now Gaga has some Irish and well Dutch ancestry as well.  Even if a very small amount.  Thought her ancestry was 75% Italian 25% French Canadian 

 

https://ethnicelebs.com/lady-gaga/comment-page-32

 

 

It's cool to me because I have remote ancestry there as well.  

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Gaga is 75% southern Italian, 25% Northwestern European mix (French, British, German etc)

Madonna is half Italian, half French Canadian 

Ari is the only pop girl who’s 100% Italian 

Edited yesterday at 03:02 AM by Stylor

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that explains pop star Ali is inspired by irish leprechaun ☘️ she knew she had it in ha 

[gagzus 21,332]

Now would be a perfect time for me to bring up Americans having Irish ancestry doesn’t make you Irish. Being Irish and from Ireland makes you Irish. Thank you. 

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51 minutes ago, gagzus said:

Now would be a perfect time for me to bring up Americans having Irish ancestry doesn’t make you Irish.

It does in America. This is how Americans describe themselves.

Incidentally, there are far more people of Irish descent in America than there are in Ireland.

Edited yesterday at 04:20 AM by Nemo

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2 hours ago, gagzus said:

Now would be a perfect time for me to bring up Americans having Irish ancestry doesn’t make you Irish. Being Irish and from Ireland makes you Irish. Thank you. 

Reminds me of this 

 

 

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Joanne should have been a bagpipe album.

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6 hours ago, Stylor said:

Gaga is 75% southern Italian, 25% Northwestern European mix (French, British, German etc)

Madonna is half Italian, half French Canadian 

Ari is the only pop girl who’s 100% Italian 

I heard that Ari has North African ancestry too

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5 hours ago, Nemo said:

It does in America. This is how Americans describe themselves.

Incidentally, there are far more people of Irish descent in America than there are in Ireland.

With the greatest of respect any Irish person will tell you neither of those are true, that would be like me saying I’m French just because I have French ancestry despite never having anything to do with French culture nor ever spoken the language. Americans do anything to say “hey I’m not just white and I’m oppressed too” if we’re being honest.

Saying there’s more Irish people in the US than there are in Ireland is a preposterous claim and a very American centric one. Americans also reduce being Irish to St Patrick’s Day related things and Catholicism and that’s it pretty much it. 

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1 hour ago, gagzus said:

With the greatest of respect any Irish person will tell you neither of those are true, that would be like me saying I’m French just because I have French ancestry despite never having anything to do with French culture nor ever spoken the language. Americans do anything to say “hey I’m not just white and I’m oppressed too” if we’re being honest.

Saying there’s more Irish people in the US than there are in Ireland is a preposterous claim and a very American centric one. Americans also reduce being Irish to St Patrick’s Day related things and Catholicism and that’s it pretty much it. 

I'm not sure what the connotation is in other countries, but in the US, if someone says they are Irish it's almost universally understood to mean they have Irish ancestry, not that they are an Irish citizen or born there. If they were born in Ireland or lived there, they'd say that. Saying "I'm Irish" is basically shorthand for saying "my ancestors were Irish and came here on a boat" and that's fine because everyone understands what they're saying and that's how language works--we make shortcuts for practical everyday use.

Of course, we should acknowledge that Irish ancestry, Irish nationality, and "cultural Irishness" are all separate things which sometimes overlap with each other in certain situations. I don't think most people who say "I'm Irish" when casually talking about their ancestry specifically have a hard time understanding this. On the subject of cultural Irish identity, it's interesting, because we also have to acknowledge that in America there IS a specific Irish American / Irish Catholic culture that was born from parts of Irish culture but which has been shaped and changed in its own way. Implying that people of Irish ancestry are not in any way part of the diaspora anymore as a hard no would be disingenous. It's obviously a very complicated conversation. 

For example, you used the Catholic example as something people cling to. I personally have that in my family--my mom was one of 8 in an Irish Catholic family. If they hadn't had so many babies, I probably wouldn't exist, and the cultural traditions that were passed down and then continued to evolve in America contributed to what happened, so you can't say that culturally we are entirely divorced from the context of being Irish. But OF COURSE I would never claim to be anything more than a person with distant Irish American Catholic grandparents. It's not a huge part of my cultural identity, but it IS a part of it. Does that mean I'm claiming my experience is the same as an actual Irish national? Or course not! Nothing close. 

I agree that there is a sort of dismissive attitude that comes up in Americans who talk about their Irish ancestry in a way that implies they know what it's like in Ireland politically and culturally or what it's like to be an Irish citizen and that is an ignorant attitude that I can fully agree is annoying. This includes people who maybe visited Ireland once or when they were a kid and make it a part of their identity in a weird way. But saying it's not allowed to be part of our identity AT ALL is also a weird take. 

These are just my thoughts, not directed at you really and I'm not trying to make it personal or anything, hopefully you understand where I'm coming from! 

Edited yesterday at 11:15 AM by stvn

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8 hours ago, gagzus said:

Now would be a perfect time for me to bring up Americans having Irish ancestry doesn’t make you Irish. Being Irish and from Ireland makes you Irish. Thank you. 

7 hours ago, Nemo said:

It does in America. This is how Americans describe themselves.

Incidentally, there are far more people of Irish descent in America than there are in Ireland.

White americans are desperate to be a minority in their own country.

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3 minutes ago, Bronco said:

White americans are desperate to be a minority in their own country.

I mean, tbf, that’s not really how most Irish Americans treat being of Irish descent lol. Sure, there are bad eggs that try to use discrimination against the Irish to neutralize convos surrounding institutional racism, but most just view it as a connection to their ancestors.

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1 hour ago, gagzus said:

Americans do anything to say “hey I’m not just white and I’m oppressed too” if we’re being honest.

Ngl from my experience as an American, that’s not how the overwhelming majority of Americans treat their cultural ancestry. 

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Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, tbf, that’s not really how most Irish Americans treat being of Irish descent lol. Sure, there are bad eggs that try to use discrimination against the Irish to neutralize convos surrounding institutional racism, but most just view it as a connection to their ancestors.

I mean, thats the american perspective. 

I see it from a different perspective where irish identity in the US has been  commercialised by alcohol companies to the detriment of actual irish culture.

And I see the way irish americans funded the paramilitaries in northern ireland out of ignorance and directly ruined thousands of lives and contributed to ongoing sectarianism and cultural trauma in Ireland. 

I see americans come over to the UK & Ireland for St Patrick's having never experienced the actual suffering that irish communities still deal with today and attempt to claim membership and ownership of an identity they've never actually experienced.

I see American irish bars serving drinks like the irish car bomb because they think its funny and then act surprised when they go to Ireland and get attacked for asking the barman for one. 

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4 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I mean, thats the american perspective. 

I see it from a different perspective where irish identity in the US has been  commercialised by alcohol companies to the detriment of actual irish culture.

And I see the way irish americans funded the paramilitaries in northern ireland out of ignorance and directly ruined thousands of lives and contributed to ongoing sectarianism and cultural trauma in Ireland. 

I see americans come over to the UK & Ireland for St Patrick's having never experienced the actual suffering that irish communities still deal with today and attempt to claim membership and ownership of an identity they've never actually experienced.

I see American irish bars serving drinks like the irish car bomb because they think its funny and then act surprised when they go to Ireland and get attacked for asking the barman for one. 

I mean, tbf, you’re also from the country that starved the Irish and committed a genocide against them, so I’d step off the casual high horsing about the well-being of the Irish people if we’re taking tabs of material harm lmao. Not really sure what warranted this level of escalation over a fairly tame comment (directed at someone who is legally an Irish citizen with close ties to relatives in the country), tbh.

Edited yesterday at 11:43 AM by Ladle Ghoulash