Madeon talks ARTPOP and "911" in new interview.

[Ladle Ghoulash 48,067]

29 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

Not her fault if people expected it to be revolutionary

Absolutely her fault, given everything she said about it (talking about it expanding the possibilities of what can be done in pop, calling it a cultural revolution, album of the millennium). Like it or not, part of how people digest music is based on the PR campaign surrounding it and the standards set by the branding. And the quality is fine/good, but she made it harder for herself by setting the bar much higher than music could reach. As a smorgasbord of EDM influenced pop songs, ARTPOP is pretty good. As a a boundary pushing pop vanguard? The album flounders. 

Edited yesterday at 02:05 PM by Ladle Ghoulash

[NUTELLA 23,857]

2 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

setting the bar much higher than music could reach

[Starmie25 22,323]

Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have posted that

[NUTELLA 23,857]

Just now, Starmie25 said:

Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have posted that

My bad girl, I pissed in the well before anyone else could drink from it 

To each their own 💚

[Starmie25 22,323]

21 minutes ago, NUTELLA said:

My bad girl, I pissed in the well before anyone else could drink from it 

To each their own 💚

Wat 

[AVeryGagaHolyDick 31,203]

1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Absolutely her fault, given everything she said about it (talking about it expanding the possibilities of what can be done in pop, calling it a cultural revolution, album of the millennium). Like it or not, part of how people digest music is based on the PR campaign surrounding it. And the quality is the fine/good, but she made it harder for herself by setting the bar much higher than music could reach 

She was speaking about the whole experience, not just the music. Either way, it doesn’t change the quality of the work. Also, her comment about it being the album of the millenium was obviously a joke that referenced her serious and controversial statement that Born This Way would be the album of the decade. 
Her ambitions were way too wide in comparison to what she gave us, and it clearly didn’t help her case, but it doesn’t make it more dated than her other albums… it actually is one of the few that actually tried to do something 

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Just now, Starmie25 said:

Wat 

Lmao I meant I’m sorry for souring an ARTPOP thread right off the bat 

I know many people like it, so I’ll 🤐

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8 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Absolutely her fault, given everything she said about it (talking about it expanding the possibilities of what can be done in pop, calling it a cultural revolution, album of the millennium). Like it or not, part of how people digest music is based on the PR campaign surrounding it and the standards set by the branding. And the quality is the fine/good, but she made it harder for herself by setting the bar much higher than music could reach. As a smorgasbord of EDM sounding pop songs, ARTPOP is pretty good, as a a boundary pushing pop vanguard? The album flounders. 

I don't blame her for most of it. The 2012 and early 2013 demos were a whole different sound. The Applause recording while she's lying in bed post-surgery. She had a vision for this era and then Troy and the label pushed her into the album release machine and had her performing and doing promo before her hip was even fully healed. If she'd been given a year, not had to rush the production with EDM, and could turn her concepts into a cohesive package, it might have been game-changing. 

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6 minutes ago, Starmie25 said:

Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have posted that

ARTPOP is still a very contested and divisive album it seems, even after the wave of praise it got recently a few years back, interesting

[Ladle Ghoulash 48,067]

4 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

She was speaking about the whole experience, not just the music. Either way, it doesn’t change the quality of the work. Also, her comment about it being the album of the millenium was obviously a joke that referenced her serious and controversial statement that Born This Way would be the album of the decade. 
Her ambitions were way too wide in comparison to what she gave us, and it clearly didn’t help her case, but it doesn’t make it more dated than her other albums… it actually is one of the few that actually tried to do something 

I never said that alone was what made it dated (though it didn’t help). What made it dated was the fact that it wasn’t really breaking any new ground and much of what she was doing with the EDM on ARTPOP could be found elsewhere, so the already fairly dated sound of the album was compounded by the outsized standard she set for the album. I also don’t really see what the album was trying to “do,” given that it’s arguably less sonically progressive on the whole than BTW and is also, imo, generally less conceptually ambitious (the ARTPOP era, imo, was basically just a reflection of her whole ethos/mission statement up until that point, which is another reason why the supposed novelty of the concept is frustrating as an audience member).

[Starmie25 22,323]

[Starmie25 22,323]

Madeon was the one who switched up the drums for "911", I knew it!!!

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43 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

all of the hype surrounding being futuristic etc. was her setting the audience up for disappointment.

Not as disappointing as her calling MAYHEM "dark poetry". 

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1 minute ago, Ultimecia said:

Not as disappointing as her calling MAYHEM "dark poetry". 

Eh, at least the album is much better tbh (and at least it’s not *called* dark poetry and that wasn’t really the centerpiece of how it was sold to the public). 

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11 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I never said that alone was what made it dated (though it didn’t help). What made it dated was the fact that it wasn’t really breaking any new ground and much of what she was doing with the EDM on ARTPOP could be found elsewhere, so the already fairly dated sound of the album was compounded by the outsized standard she set for the album. I also don’t really see what the album was trying to “do,” given that it’s arguably less sonically progressive on the whole than BTW and is also, imo, generally less conceptually ambitious (the ARTPOP era, imo, was basically just a reflection of her whole ethos/mission statement up until that point, which is another reason why the supposed novelty of the concept is frustrating as an audience member).