ARTPOPpers, where are you now?

[Quartz 12,736]

As we all know, we have such a VOCAL segment of our fandom who claims to bleed and live for ARTPOP. 

HOWEVER, we have Runway, her most ARTPOP-coded release in years and the same people aren't showing up for it.

The explosion of color that is the MV, the Aura synths, the Fashion! and Donatella campiness, they're all there in full display in Runway. Runway could be an ARTPOP track and nobody would bat an eye.

So where are the ARTPOPpers? Are they only there to scream #JusticeForARTPOP every time something remotely Gaga is being discussed then just dissolve away? Runway was made for you guys. Where are you?

[Diamond Blood 4,539]

M&S foodhall 

[PartySick 171,085]

Runway gives me RuPaul, not ARTPOP

Which isn't bad, just saying

[Quartz 12,736]

5 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Runway gives me RuPaul, not ARTPOP

Which isn't bad, just saying

Didn't RuPaul sing Fashion! with Gaga? If y'all step back, RuPaul, Runway, and ARTPOP are living in the same vein 

[Obobo 3,943]

Runway is too simple to be ARTPOP-coded. It's literally typical 90s house music.

Anything ARTPOP-coded would have to be EDM that's chaotic in nature, by breaking typical pop tropes but not to the point of becoming experimental music. Aura's verses have completely different melodies and production from each other. Venus had short verses and a really long pre-chorus that outshines the chorus. Swine having a drop to only lead to a screamo pig squeal "swine!".

ARTPOP was made for fans, its noisy, textured and rich in the best ways. Runway was catered for the general public, where the production feels simple and "empty" to core gaga fans.

[PartySick 171,085]

29 minutes ago, Quartz said:

Didn't RuPaul sing Fashion! with Gaga? If y'all step back, RuPaul, Runway, and ARTPOP are living in the same vein 

Touché

[gagzus 20,113]

I actually have been writing an article about Queer people rejecting Queer culture more now after it became commercialised in the 2010s and use Runway’s reception as an example. 
 

It still baffles me that people call a song that’s made by a bisexual and lesbian, with a House beat (a genre that was made and defined by queer and black people), “corporate” goes to show you just how commercialised it became.

I’m personally a die hard ARTPOP apologist and stand by that it was her most experimental record and this fandom proved they don’t want her to experiment by how they talk about it. They like to “vision” of Gaga being something she’s not. 
 

I’m not saying Runway is some super out there song but it’s EDM (House) which ARTPOP was, it is about self empowerment, which the majority of ARTPOP is and it’s music for queer people by queer people which ARTPOP is. But gay culture was reduced heavily to tropes in media that even the mere semblance of those tropes now feels “cringe” to gay people.

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I am here  I am a HUGE fan of runway, but similar to @PartySick, I do think it's more Ru than ARTPOP

[PartySick 171,085]

13 minutes ago, gagzus said:

I actually have been writing an article about Queer people rejecting Queer culture more now after it became commercialised in the 2010s and use Runway’s reception as an example. 
 

It still baffles me that people call a song that’s made by a bisexual and lesbian, with a House beat (a genre that was made and defined by queer and black people), “corporate” goes to show you just how commercialised it became.

I’m personally a die hard ARTPOP apologist and stand by that it was her most experimental record and this fandom proved they don’t want her to experiment by how they talk about it. They like to “vision” of Gaga being something she’s not. 
 

I’m not saying Runway is some super out there song but it’s EDM (House) which ARTPOP was, it is about self empowerment, which the majority of ARTPOP is and it’s music for queer people by queer people which ARTPOP is. But gay culture was reduced heavily to tropes in media that even the mere semblance of those tropes now feels “cringe” to gay people.

We really lost a lot to rainbow capitalism, including faith in our own damn culture 

[Starmie25 22,044]

44 minutes ago, Obobo said:

Runway is too simple to be ARTPOP-coded. It's literally typical 90s house music.

It's got that French house production which reminds me little bit of Fashion! and 

[Starmie25 22,044]

It doesn't help that many the fans would rather go "round in circles" than give her new tracks a try (stream).

[gagzus 20,113]

18 minutes ago, PartySick said:

We really lost a lot to rainbow capitalism, including faith in our own damn culture 

Absolutely! Rainbow capitalism was a big factor in rising internalised homophobia as well. 

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spelling mistake. oop.

[LadyLuca 2,603]

tbh- runaway feels like a gaga fashion-styled song like she always does. not specifilcly only ARTPOP coded. 

Abracadabra is the newest song from ARTPOP and yet it is still its own Mayhem thing. or the old Gaga formular. 

atleast to me. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 44,481]

5 minutes ago, gagzus said:

Absolutely! Rainbow capitalism was a big factory in rising internalised homophobia as well. 

Another thing I do genuinely resent rainbow capitalism for is the consolidation of a commercial, monolithic “gay identity.” I think solidarity is important, but the way that a lot of gay folks have internalized what I think is a fairly corporate notion of what is and is not gay/queer media is borderline cultural brainrot. How about just engage with something based on its merit and allow for things to be queer in a multitude of ways instead of everything needing to be “c*nty” in order to be considered queer? The whole point of “queerness” as a concept is a plurality of identity and expression, so it just feels counterintuitive to try to distill it into one aesthetic.

That’s not to say there isn’t obvious such a thing as queer culture broadly and I don’t resent the idea of there being a canon of queer culture, I just think that it gets consistently flattened into almost parodic imitations of RPDR’s version of commercial queerness (which, to Ru’s credit, he has sought to diversify over time, but still).

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[Obobo 3,943]

5 minutes ago, Starmie25 said:

It's got that French house production which reminds me little bit of Fashion! and 

I wouldn't consider it French house. I could describe Fashion! as a Daft Punk disco-ish song. The lyric "fashion!" is also inspired by David Bowie's "let's dance!". Really shows how ARTPOP straddles the line between experimental and pop (leaning more towards pop).

Runway just sounds like 90s French house, and that's pretty much it. Nothing really interesting about it.