LUST FOR GAGA 91 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 everything you said was about the lack of a single push rather than the actual music. how did she give up musically? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimecia 6,542 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 hours ago, LGAte said: At the end of the day, all commercialness aside- they had a vision- they artistically executed it- and they finished it. Everytime. They didn't bail out mid-era (like everyone does nowadays) because something didn't work out commercially. To me it ironically cheapens the brand of an artist when they do this. This part here. MAYHEM is at this point my least favorite pop album of hers, despite the indisputable quality of its production, and a huge reason for that is because it has no artistic vision. Sonically, thematically, lyrically and even visually (the cover and booklet of the album) - it has no substance. The world she created for the tour is visually stunning, but I don't feel any connection to the actual material of the album. Say what you will about Chromatica's production, but the album by itself had a very strongly executed concept and vision, even if it wasn't fully hers. Time. It will not wait, no matter how hard you hold on... 1 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollorowling 820 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Ultimecia said: This part here. MAYHEM is at this point my least favorite pop album of hers, despite the indisputable quality of its production, and a huge reason for that is because it has no artistic vision. Sonically, thematically, lyrically and even visually (the cover and booklet of the album) - it has no substance. The world she created for the tour is visually stunning, but I don't feel any connection to the actual material of the album. Say what you will about Chromatica's production, but the album by itself had a very strongly executed concept and vision, even if it wasn't fully hers. Edited March 5 by apollorowling 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alxjcgn 1,948 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 32 minutes ago, Ultimecia said: The world she created for the tour is visually stunning, but I don't feel any connection to the actual material of the album. Say what you will about Chromatica's production, but the album by itself had a very strongly executed concept and vision, even if it wasn't fully hers. To each their own but the world she portrayed in Chromatica at its debut was MUCH different from what we got in the tour... and arguably we never got squat in terms of the actual world of Chromatica. The music videos gave some hype but that was it. While the MAYHEM album was so all over the place (hence it's title lol), it was almost impossible to think of visuals until the tour which has been her best yet. But seeing how she brought the album to life on tour, I at least can look back and see how it connects to the entire album given that we essentially are going to the theater/opera to see a show, and she delivers a show that goes all over the place while also telling a story... something Gaga is amazing at 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimecia 6,542 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Alxjcgn said: To each their own but the world she portrayed in Chromatica at its debut was MUCH different from what we got in the tour... and arguably we never got squat in terms of the actual world of Chromatica. I agree with that, hence why I only said "the album by itself". 13 minutes ago, apollorowling said: Opinions, grow up. Edited March 5 by Ultimecia Time. It will not wait, no matter how hard you hold on... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PornoDanceFight 1,810 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ultimecia said: This part here. MAYHEM is at this point my least favorite pop album of hers, despite the indisputable quality of its production, and a huge reason for that is because it has no artistic vision. Sonically, thematically, lyrically and even visually (the cover and booklet of the album) - it has no substance. The world she created for the tour is visually stunning, but I don't feel any connection to the actual material of the album. Say what you will about Chromatica's production, but the album by itself had a very strongly executed concept and vision, even if it wasn't fully hers. I’m glad you underlined the portions that I disagree with because thinking this either shows, at best, a misunderstanding of the album/era as a whole, or at worst, intentionally disingenuous with the art she created. No tea or shade (maybe a little ) The album opens with Gaga confronting her demons, invoking her heightened self, returning back to the sounds that inspired her earliest work, her inspirations, and reflections on the inner and outer adversity she’s faced since 2016, ending on a note of love which hasn’t happened since 2013. This journey is expressed through the gothic imagery she uses across each track in the record. This is further emphasized with the tour narrative, the dueling Gagas, and the reconciliation between Mistress Mayhem and Ethereal Gaga. Not connecting to or even liking the record is fine, but to say that there’s no artistic vision or thematic substance doesn’t hold up when examining the actual content of the record. Edited March 5 by PornoDanceFight Misused an apostrophe 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimecia 6,542 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, ****oDanceFight said: I’m glad you underlined the portions that I disagree with because thinking this either shows, at best, a misunderstanding of the album/era as a whole, or at worst, intentionally disingenuous with the art she created. No tea or shade (maybe a little ) The album opens with Gaga confronting her demons, invoking her heightened self, returning back to the sounds that inspired her earliest work, her inspirations, and reflections on the inner and outer adversity she’s faced since 2016, ending on a note of love which hasn’t happened since 2013. This journey is expressed through the gothic imagery she uses across each track in the record. This is further emphasized with the tour narrative, the dueling Gaga’s, and the reconciliation between Mistress Mayhem and Ethereal Gaga. Not connecting to or even liking the record is fine, but to say that there’s no artistic vision or thematic substance doesn’t hold up when examining the actual content of the record. Thank you for taking the time to respond in a constructive way first of all! Even if I disagree, I really appreciate it. It might be on me for not emphasizing in my post enough that this is all of course in my opinion, not a single part of me would try to invalidate anyone's enjoyment of the album. Your interpretation of the album is interesting, but is just that - an interpretation, which is subjective. I personally don't get anything from listening to MAYHEM, that's my interpretation of it, just as subjective, not worth any more or less than yours. Time. It will not wait, no matter how hard you hold on... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starmie25 22,048 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 If I was Gaga and I stumbled upon this thread title I'd be absolutely fuming. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PornoDanceFight 1,810 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Ultimecia said: Thank you for taking the time to respond in a constructive way first of all! Even if I disagree, I really appreciate it. It might be on me for not emphasizing in my post enough that this is all of course in my opinion, not a single part of me would try to invalidate anyone's enjoyment of the album. Your interpretation of the album is interesting, but is just that - an interpretation, which is subjective. I personally don't get anything from listening to MAYHEM, that's my interpretation of it, just as subjective, not worth any more or less than yours. Of course! Sorry for the playful ribbing, but it really is in jest and not meant to be coming for you! I think it’s important to be having these conversations regardless because it shows at the very least her art is interesting enough to have passionate discussions about it, and it's therefore alive and means something, which is better than art meaning nothing at all. Now, when Mayhem Ball releases on streaming, I’m counting on your streams, sister (jkish) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alxjcgn 1,948 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Ultimecia said: I agree with that, hence why I only said "the album by itself". My bad, didn't see that. I've been reading the posts quickly while making dinner lol. The album itself is definitely cohesive and one of the best she has done in terms of making everything flow Edited March 5 by Alxjcgn 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starmie25 22,048 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 13 hours ago, nATAH said: but it just ends up being the same old complaints, not realising HBDYWM was already serviced to radios in Take a shot for every mention of: "HBDYWM should've been a single" "Disease mv needed choreo" "DWAS is not part of MAYHEM" "Industrial sounding" "Michael controlling her" "Blade of Ass" "Mustang" "no physical/vinyl for Abra" @RAMROD @River @monketsharona Edited March 5 by Starmie25 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaga Scholar 232 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I've never agreed with every post in one thread before! Gaga did that! "The truth is..." --L. Gaga, 1986-present Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 115,644 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Starmie25 said: Take a shot for every mention of: "HBDYWM should've been a single" "Disease mv needed choreo" "DWAS is not part of MAYHEM" "Industrial sounding" "Michael controlling her" "Blade of Ass" "Mustang" "no physical/vinyl for Abra" @RAMROD @River @monketsharona (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ because of you...., nothing really matters (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Lockhart 831 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 She has always collaborated with others on her music videos, she just stopped after Telephone and then started again later. Chromatica alone had several collaborations, with LG, Oreo, Dom Pérignon, etc. She has never been as involved in her music as she has been with Mayhem, especially in terms of production. The only thing we can criticize Mayhem for is its "poor" lyrics. Even though I really love Vanish Into You, two sentences as verses is really poor. Mayhem remains her best-produced album to date. It's flawless, and I'm so happy that she's so involved in the production. He ate my heart Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGAte 673 Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 (edited) 19 hours ago, Bronco said: I'm 30. I was there. well you were 14. I just feel like...to act like Just Dance, Poker Face, and LoveGame are generic great pop videos without acknowledging that pop music leading up to that was Rihanna's SOS, Fergie's Big Girls Don't Cry, Nelly Furtado's Maneater, and Pussycat Dolls music....Gaga coming out and grabbing her crotch in a semi-androgynous way and writhing around homosexually was seen as....not normal. Why was this girl making music for the gays and not the straight boys? Even Katy Perry's "I Kissed A Girl" video still was very much so made for the eyes of teenage boy to like. Girls at a slumber party acting cute and horny. Gaga was literally with a grown woman in a police uniform in a gritty subway writhing and wearing **** that the average boy in the suburb would have thought made her "goth" or "a weird drama club kid". I remember Gaga saying she wanted to confuse boys and make them question whether or not they were attracted to her. It was very that. And that was like...during PokerFace promotion... And like I said...Just Dance felt very clued in on the hipster/millennial/artsy/city kid culture in a way that pop had still not really embraced yet...it was still either straight up HIP HOP & R&B or POP or Country. The semi-electronic warped club kid thing hadn't been injected in pop. I know that seems minimal because we live in an era of brat. Even compared to Gaga's own work, Just Dance is hardly stacking up to the crazyness of ARTPOP. But that's because she normalized that. So I don't like the idea that Just Dance,Poker Face, or LoveGame weren't groundbreaking. I don't think they were as thought out and cinematic as Paparazzi (which is when it was really fleshed out), but her first three singles WERE pushing at the edge and had people calling her the weird club girl/new Madonna/gay pop queen before Paparazzi ever came into the chat. Edited March 5 by LGAte 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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