Starmie25 21,349 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 26 minutes ago, River said: 1. The fact that she needed to make a promo deal with both Mastercard and Netflix to release 2 music videos and singles, tell u that after Disease didn't perform well, her promo budget has been cut by interscope. The fans lowkey let her down with "Disease" and "Perfect Celebrit", hence why she confined that song into a sandbox for all eternity 1 5 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 19,070 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Honestly, I think we overstate Gaga as a music video artist/visual artist. She had a run of good videos between Paparazzi & You & I at a time when music videos had become the big IT thing in the industry, but outside of that window when the industry was obsessed with music videos and pumping millions into them - she's not really been a video focused artist. She's a theatrical artist, her primary selling point and focus point has been live performance. So I think the only thing we've missed out on this era is the frequency of promo performances she used to do - but realistically, those slots she performed in are largely gone. Late night tv shows are less popular these days and they're not spending the same $$ to book musical guests. We've lost so many of the big award show stages/seen the remaining ones decline in relevance and as a result pull stunt bookings to try and make teens turn in. There's little to no musical spots on morning tv circuits anymore. The big shows like X Factor/Idol/America's Got Talent are either dead or irrelevant. The gays know how to party 7 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poltergeist 4,006 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 18 minutes ago, Blackout19 said: maybe she is ready to go back to chromatica I think her skipping Chromatica on The Mayhem Ball means something different, hopefully I've been getting messages from my deep waters 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollorowling 709 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LGAte said: I mean. Nah. I think people just want to enjoy more of what they already liked. That's it. It's actually not that personal in that sense. If someone likes something- they want more of it. That is human nature. Yeah, but I mean she It's giving us a LOT This era compared to others. I think i never saw her so excited since BTW. Edited March 4 by apollorowling 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGAte 582 Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Bronco said: Honestly, I think we overstate Gaga as a music video artist/visual artist. She had a run of good videos between Paparazzi & You & I at a time when music videos had become the big IT thing in the industry, but outside of that window when the industry was obsessed with music videos and pumping millions into them - she's not really been a video focused artist. She's a theatrical artist, her primary selling point and focus point has been live performance. So I think the only thing we've missed out on this era is the frequency of promo performances she used to do - but realistically, those slots she performed in are largely gone. Late night tv shows are less popular these days and they're not spending the same $$ to book musical guests. We've lost so many of the big award show stages/seen the remaining ones decline in relevance and as a result pull stunt bookings to try and make teens turn in. There's little to no musical spots on morning tv circuits anymore. The big shows like X Factor/Idol/America's Got Talent are either dead or irrelevant. I feared this day would come. And it has. People actually making good arguments that she isn't a music video artist. Which is CRAZY to me because....she practically reinvented the whole music video game and changed everything and had a music video run that is- honestly I don't think anyone had a good run like that....not even Madonna. She had some blurps. But Gaga had a 4 album run of incredible music videos. All incredible. All visually stunning. I'm worried that newer fans won't understand this about her legacy and that part of her lore will wain. Like Abracadabra was treated like some massive re-peak (and it's ****ing the best she has done in years) but lowkey it would have been considerd mid in her golden age. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGAte 582 Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, apollorowling said: Yeah, but I mean she It's giving us a LOT This era compared to others. I think i never saw her so excited since BTW. You are correct here. I'll give you flowers there. She has been working hard. The light is in her eyes. But like....I need to see that translate to the music more. This is a woman who didn't just release singles for the commercial reasons but I think people are forgetting that there was a philosophy and story to be told. It started around Paparazzi and then continued until G.U.Y.....but her videos and the singles and the music was talked about more in her interviews. She certainly had fun....but she knew how to draw even Ellen DeGenerous into a conversation about surrealism or Howard Stern into talking about dead poets and experimental performance artists or get Graham Norton talking about philosophy.....and relate it to her pop music. I feel like that that passion about the music was there during that one Disease interview and a few interviews surrounding the dancing she was doing for Abracadabra- and I guess I am just saying I would have liked to see that fire burn a little brighter with the other songs that deserved more of the heat and light of that fire. Thats where I am at. If that makes sense? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 3,757 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 18 minutes ago, LGAte said: I am not a taylor fan either but it would have been a funny pop culture moment. If she can work with R. Kelly and you forgive her, I'm sure you can tolerate billionaire Swifty. It's driving me crazy how you're saying Gaga gave up musically and then proceeding to say she would've had collaborated with Taylor 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGAte 582 Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 Just now, elegidadedios said: It's driving me crazy how you're saying Gaga gave up musically and then proceeding to say she would've had collaborated with Taylor Now I agree with you here, babes. That is 100% a fair clock. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 19,070 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, LGAte said: she practically reinvented the whole music video game and changed everything and had a music video run that is- honestly I don't think anyone had a good run like that....not even Madonna. She had some blurps. But Gaga had a 4 album run of incredible music videos. All incredible. All visually stunning. I'm worried that newer fans won't understand this about her legacy and that part of her lore will wain. Like Abracadabra was treated like some massive re-peak (and it's ****ing the best she has done in years) but lowkey it would have been considerd mid in her golden age. I mean Just Dance/PokerFace/LoveGame are great music videos, but in the videography of pop music they are just great music videos rather than anything groundbreaking. Paparazzi was the game changer (especially with the VMAs performance) where she brought her theatricality to the videos for the first time. And then I'd say she had a good run for The Fame Monster & Born This Way eras with zero misses (I'll fight every hater of the TEOG video). But she did go into decline in the ARTPOP era, because she forgot the Chanel quote about accessories and Applause/G.U.Y just got a bit messy. Applause is a good music video, but its weak compared to her peak imo. And then G.U.Y just tried to be everything at once and is just chaotic. And then from that point onwards, industry wise we saw the increasing decline of music videos both as a viable marketing strategy which cut their funding and as a result we saw declining quality across the industry. As a fan base, we ended up with a weak era music video wise because Gaga was deliberately trying a stripped back era (although Coachella contrasted this). So we ended up with 2 videos where its just her sat down singing a ballad, a music video for Perfect Illusion that was just forgetable indie slop and then the John Wayne video which was fun but was just a glorified tour interlude. Chromatica we got a real mix bag of videos - Stupid Love which was just a cheap looking apple advert, Rain on Me which was her best music video since the BTW era and then 911 which is a great music video but it wasn't her idea. The concept of the video is based on an idea Tarsem Singh had had for 25+ years and had been pitched to other acts. So I can't credit her with it. Mayhem is the first consistent era for music video quality we've had since BTW imo, but that's come at a time when the industry has largely abandoned the format as a marketing vehicle forcing artists to either self fund (Taylor) or seek out promotional partners (Gaga - Abracadabra). The gays know how to party 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbourne Monster 173 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Gaga does not need to ever collaborate with Taylor Swift. They are in vastly different leagues vocally, in their instrument skills and their performance abilities. What I wish for Gaga moving forward is she fully embraces her artistic vision, who cares if it’s commercially on trend, go all out in her weirdness, what makes her different. She’s the artist of her unfinished painting so to speak. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 39,348 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 43 minutes ago, Bronco said: Honestly, I think we overstate Gaga as a music video artist/visual artist. She had a run of good videos between Paparazzi & You & I at a time when music videos had become the big IT thing in the industry, but outside of that window when the industry was obsessed with music videos and pumping millions into them - she's not really been a video focused artist. She's a theatrical artist, her primary selling point and focus point has been live performance. So I think the only thing we've missed out on this era is the frequency of promo performances she used to do - but realistically, those slots she performed in are largely gone. Late night tv shows are less popular these days and they're not spending the same $$ to book musical guests. We've lost so many of the big award show stages/seen the remaining ones decline in relevance and as a result pull stunt bookings to try and make teens turn in. There's little to no musical spots on morning tv circuits anymore. The big shows like X Factor/Idol/America's Got Talent are either dead or irrelevant. Yeah, this is right on. Also, tbh, the MAYHEM Ball itself is enough visual and narrative for the whole era. I don’t know how someone could say she “gave up” on an album/era for which she created one of her most intricate live shows of all time. We have forgotten our public MANNERS 6 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decodekid 29,682 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 OH PLSSSSSSS Long Live Gretchen 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 123,546 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Just now, LGAte said: she's worth 900M and is engaged to a tech billionaire. I think she could have afforded a set, a weho gay that knew how to edit, and a twink with a tiktok account who knew how to call the influencers for at least one more single She owns a friggin makeup brand and MJs entire clothing collection. It's not like she has her Lexus parked in the Khia Asylum. yes but Lady Gaga is a business and Stefani is a private person, Stefani shouldn't pay from her own money to film a music video.. abra is estimated to cost around the $3 million.. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starmie25 21,349 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 21 minutes ago, River said: abra is estimated to cost around the $3 million.. Wait, what? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOT 3,496 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 She gave up ? Musically ?? She's done 70 concerts since July, 17 more to go. 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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