Hydrangea 7,165 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, LateToCult said: Chile, the BAFTAs should’ve never seated that man anywhere near the stage. And that man should’ve excused himself much sooner than the halfway point once he realized his Tourette’s was acting up. Looking down at my $t loser misery 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 75,948 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, StarstruckIllusion said: Because we (I) should just nod and smile at this. It’s pathetic that this has created discourse. The real story is asking why this was not edited out while someone shouting “Free Palestine” was. Is that phrase now more offensive than the literal N word?? Bc that’s actually outrageous to imply I definitely have gotten more perspective since yesterday on this issue an I understand better how the brain chooses the worst words to say on purpose. It's admirable that you're taking it gracefully but one look at online discourse (see jamie fox) shows you are in the minority of those who aren't taking offense, so I just had to point out it's not okay to dismiss or minimize when people of a certain minority are hurt just because it conflicts with issues of another minority. chaeri pls 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controversiaga 13,777 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Baftas should’ve bleeped it out, the same way they would if anybody else shouted that word on live tv. Disabled or not - that would shouldn’t be aired on live tv during something that should be safe for a general audience to watch Pronounced like “Balenciaga” . Emphasis on the “Ga” 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxy 344 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 16 hours ago, Pigatha said: While I can't fully comprehend it myself, it's called coprolalia which is a form of tourettes. It's uncontrollable, some think it's because a part of the brain is trying to find the most vulgar tic, (my wording might be wrong here). But he should issue an apology because it still causes harm regardless of intent. Yeah let's start making people with cancer apologize to their families before they die, too. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotLikeMexico 6,255 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 12 minutes ago, Laxy said: Yeah let's start making people with cancer apologize to their families before they die, too. How is that even the same…? 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,450 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 hours ago, littlepotter said: I definitely have gotten more perspective since yesterday on this issue an I understand better how the brain chooses the worst words to say on purpose. It's admirable that you're taking it gracefully but one look at online discourse (see jamie fox) shows you are in the minority of those who aren't taking offense, so I just had to point out it's not okay to dismiss or minimize when people of a certain minority are hurt just because it conflicts with issues of another minority. If people are mad this was allowed to air, sure. If they’re mad that this incident happened then that’s where I disappointingly draw the line. Hot take: if you have tourette’s and this word isn’t in your triggers… I’m sus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigatha 1,064 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 55 minutes ago, Laxy said: Yeah let's start making people with cancer apologize to their families before they die, too. That's not remotely the same... If (for example) someone has a disability that causes them to be prone to falls or balance issues and fell onto someone, I would expect the person to apologize as that is common decency to do so. Just because you don't mean to harm someone doesn't exempt you from the need to offer an apology regardless. Do you only apologize when you purposely do something to cause harm? Papa Papa rot see 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 21,486 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 5 hours ago, Pigatha said: That's not remotely the same... If (for example) someone has a disability that causes them to be prone to falls or balance issues and fell onto someone, I would expect the person to apologize as that is common decency to do so. Just because you don't mean to harm someone doesn't exempt you from the need to offer an apology regardless. Do you only apologize when you purposely do something to cause harm? I'm British, I apologise when someone causes me harm. I think the only persons owed an apology here are the 2 men on stage. There is obviously zero intent behind what happened but I truly think it would be beneficial for all 3 men to have had a moment to talk. The rest of us are only owed the apology from the BBC & the Baftas team who at this point it is clear allowed this situation to become a major flashpoint of hatred for attention to their **** awards show. The gays know how to party 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxy 344 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 6 hours ago, Pigatha said: That's not remotely the same... If (for example) someone has a disability that causes them to be prone to falls or balance issues and fell onto someone, I would expect the person to apologize as that is common decency to do so. Just because you don't mean to harm someone doesn't exempt you from the need to offer an apology regardless. Do you only apologize when you purposely do something to cause harm? We should not ask people with illness to apologize for their illness. Ever. That is ablism. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamite 65,786 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 7 hours ago, Laxy said: Yeah let's start making people with cancer apologize to their families before they die, too. Like a poem said by a neydy in red Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 75,948 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 31 minutes ago, Laxy said: We should not ask people with illness to apologize for their illness. Ever. That is ablism. This is the one argument I still CANNOT swallow in any way. If you cause harm regardless of intent it's polite to apologize. If you accidentally trip someone and they fall you apologize even if you didn't mean to do it. I don't see why it's any different here especially humiliating two men in front of the world. Apologies don't cost anything and this mentality is dangerous. chaeri pls 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 21,486 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 minutes ago, littlepotter said: This is the one argument I still CANNOT swallow in any way. If you cause harm regardless of intent it's polite to apologize. If you accidentally trip someone and they fall you apologize even if you didn't mean to do it. I don't see why it's any different here especially humiliating two men in front of the world. Apologies don't cost anything and this mentality is dangerous. Apologies do cost though. Its important we understand what an apology is. An apology is an acceptance of having done wrong. Disabled people are treated by society as a whole like their existence is wrong. Everything about them makes "normal" people uncomfortable. They are shamed from birth for not being acceptable to "normal" society. The trip metaphor doesn't work - yes it is an accident. But it is something avoidable, an accident caused by something we have control over. The whole issue at hand here, is that there is no control over a disability like tourettes. There is no avoiding the behaviours and effects of Coprolalia based tics. So you are no longer asking someone to apologise for an avoidable accident they had control over. You are asking someone to apologise for something they can do nothing to prevent beyond withdrawing from society. You are asking someone to apologise for a defining characteristic of their existence. That absolutely comes at a personal cost. I've known people with varying forms of TS presentation. And they hate the unintentional harm things like obscene verbal tics and physical tics can cause. For many of them, it is mentally draining and incredibly painful emotionally. They already feel so many internalised negative emotions as a result of their disability, we need to ensure that the actions we take in response to the symptoms of their disability don't further stigmatise them. It helps no one. I'm not saying that no apology should be forthcoming. I'm just pointing out that this idea that an apology is a simple act with no implications is just not true. The gays know how to party 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingSun 976 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 The ableism in this thread is disgusting. What happened to the message of being 'born this way'? Or does that only apply if it benefits you? Shame! One second I'm a troll, then suddenly the troll is me. 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Breast 5,233 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 https://variety.com/2026/film/awards/john-davidson-tourettes-tics-bafta-n-word-interview-1236671850/ BANGARANGA BANGARANGA BANGARANGA IM THE BANGARANG 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,463 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 BAFTAs could edit out “Free Palestine” but not this? They humiliated those actors by airing this. They knew exactly what they were doing. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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