ALL evidence for Paparazzi trilogy concluding on Beyoncé's act iii

[LGAte 710]

6 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Yeah, but the real wrench is: Lady Gaga is talented and Ava Max isn’t 😔 How are we gonna reconcile that part?

I actually think sometimes we are rude as **** to these younger girls the minute they aren't successful and forget what Gaga went through.

 

Ava Max might not be the iconic legend that is Lady Gaga, but Ava Max certainly can sing better than most and can dance the house down boots. 

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5 minutes ago, LGAte said:

I actually think sometimes we are rude as **** to these younger girls the minute they aren't successful and forget what Gaga went through.

 

Ava Max might not be the iconic legend that is Lady Gaga, but Ava Max certainly can sing better than most and can dance the house down boots. 

Nah, if Ava weren’t successful and I thought she made good music, I would still go up for her. Problem is, imo, she doesn’t really have a vision artistically or aesthetically and, imo, isn’t particularly talented. I think there are far more talented artists that haven’t received a fraction of the industry support Ava has gotten and that’s why for me with her it’s like…**** or get off the pot, sister.

Edited February 17 by Ladle Ghoulash

[monketsharona 89,947]

Still think it will be on next Gaga's record. She working on it. I trully don't see her giving away her own trilogy to Beyoncé.

[Kayioshka 3,144]

Okay, now I trust this Telephone part II theory 

It will be called "Smartphone" 

[southpaw773 4,341]

1 hour ago, Kayi said:

Okay, now I trust this Telephone part II theory 

It will be called "Smartphone" 

Or iPad 

[gagafan1394 312]

idk Beyonce just posted that pic on insta of her answering the phone..... 

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17 hours ago, gagzus said:

I think this is all just Gaga hoping Beyoncé will want to do it and she’s hoping enough public demand convinces Beyoncé .

We know for a fact MANiCURE was originally the sequel to Telephone and Bey was just in the video not on the song. 
So she doesn’t need to be on the song just in the video.

Also Gaga absolutely will NOT be on Act III because of Beyoncé’s “taking back genre” shtick she’s been doing with these albums, she intends to do ROCK N ROLL which is not the same as Rock or Metal which is what Gaga loves. Beyoncé is going back to influences pre-Elvis and the closest to white people rock she’ll probably go is Jimmy Hendrix. Gaga’s influences all come from white metal bands (which notoriously is considered a bastard genre from actual Rock by way of Punk) Beyoncé is focusing on the genre before white people took it in the 60s and what it could sound like NOW if black people still had the upper hand in it. That’s what she’s been doing with the other 2 acts.

Cowboy Carter was literally branded as Country if black people still had a say in it and it was met with lots of racism, so much so they had to split the country Grammy category and refused to nominate her for country awards because they considered the album “hip hop with a country guitar”. So it wouldn’t be a good look to have Gaga placed into a record about black history when she has never herself praised nor pushed for black artists in Rock n Roll (plus as I said she likes Metal not Rock n Roll) 

counterpoints:
1) die with a smile is also not a classical sound for gaga. she also likes A LOT of things. and it's beyoncé. she'd do rock and roll without hesitating (very few people actively dislike rock and roll, especially in the pop world imo)

2) cowboy carter featured features with miley cyrus and post malone, both of which were incredibly random and confusing. lady gaga on a rock n roll album is way less weird to me.

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,342]

I'm sat for whatever they decide to put on my plate, but all these cryptic statements and pictures have me quivering 

[gagzus 21,398]

3 hours ago, LGAte said:

I actually think sometimes we are rude as **** to these younger girls the minute they aren't successful and forget what Gaga went through.

 

Ava Max might not be the iconic legend that is Lady Gaga, but Ava Max certainly can sing better than most and can dance the house down boots. 

Whilst I agree we shouldn’t be so harsh on new acts we have to remember that Gaga, Beyoncé, even Katy all had their own branding and identity that was identifiable. In their music, in their fashion and in their personalities and personas to the public. 
 

Ava Max doesn’t particularly have anything definable, except the fact she LITERALLY looks like if AI generated Gaga, her dress sense her style of pop and even her actual face to a degree looked like Gaga’s face, but when faced with the Gaga comparisons she adamantly denied being inspired by her, even though you could legit sing the entirety of Bad Romance’s radio edit without changing the key, BPM or anything from start to finish over Sweet But Psycho. 

She hasn’t been able to craft an identity beyond that initial debut and her songwriting is corny boots on top of it. Her biggest hits are all samples of old 90s dance classics and 2000s pop divas. 
 

Like sure live your life but like bring something to the table, there’s far better artists getting dropped from labels every day, she feels like the definition of an industry plant because HOW does she still have a recording contract? She has had 2 hits and I mean ACTUAL hits that had good sales and chart positions not just “oh this song did well by this standard” none of which reached number one or are remembered beyond their samples and comparisons, her sales and streams are abysmal and she’s about to release ANOTHER studio album yet artists like Kim Petras and Halsey have had their albums blocked or shelved, despite the fact they are more successful than her. It makes no damn sense.

[RAMROD 116,298]

Will they finally perform together in one stage then? 

[David Ward 9,613]

I remember when we all thought Aura was going to be Paparazzi part 3 

[gagzus 21,398]

47 minutes ago, salty like sodium said:

counterpoints:
1) die with a smile is also not a classical sound for gaga. she also likes A LOT of things. and it's beyoncé. she'd do rock and roll without hesitating (very few people actively dislike rock and roll, especially in the pop world imo)

2) cowboy carter featured features with miley cyrus and post malone, both of which were incredibly random and confusing. lady gaga on a rock n roll album is way less weird to me.

To counter your counter point, Die With A Smile is very much in Gaga’s wheel house and is in the same vein as her pre fame songs and even songs like Speechless and You & I- and is inspired by the (predominantly white) soft rock artists of the 1970s. Nobody thinks of ACTUL Rock n Roll nor does it even REALLY exist anymore, the closest a modern artist is done to it is when Bey did Don’t Hurt Yourself on Lemonade, real Rock n Roll by black artists before Elvis stole the genre had songs about angst, sex and more when it was TOTALLY taboo and illegal as well to publicly perform in the way they did, until Elvis came along and gentrified the genre and made it less dark and less inspired by the fall out of slavery from the early 1900s into being ONLY about sex and partying (essentially the original white people pop music) which then transcended into acts like The Beatles. And when black people started to get in on it and brought new life to it with the invention of Disco and profiting off it; white people made a move into a new type of Rock in the 1970s with Punk Rock and Metal which started a Disco vs Rock rivalry that ended when Metal fans rounded up and burned Disco records in mass protest (mostly by predominantly black artists I might add). 
 

So culturally, as a fan of the music that essentially eradicated 2 black driven genres from the mainstream, Gaga would not fit into the narrative I think. But obviously this is all hypothetical.

Miley and Dolly and Post Malone’s inclusions on Bey’s album kinda make sense because Dolly is essentially the queen of country music, Miley is her successor by way of familiar relation and Post Malone started out before he got famous as a wannabe country musician who tried to combine country and hiphop and avid fan of the genre afterwards. He was essentially ahead of his time since Lil Nas X essentially debuted with a song that took that concept and turned it up. 

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5 minutes ago, gagzus said:

To counter your counter point, Die With A Smile is very much in Gaga’s wheel house and is in the same vein as her pre fame songs and even songs like Speechless and You & I- and is inspired by the (predominantly white) soft rock artists of the 1970s. Nobody thinks of ACTUL Rock n Roll nor does it even REALLY exist anymore, the closest a modern artist is done to it is when Bey did Don’t Hurt Yourself on Lemonade, real Rock n Roll by black artists before Elvis stole the genre had songs about angst, sex and more when it was TOTALLY taboo and illegal as well to publicly perform in the way they did, until Elvis came along and gentrified the genre and made it less dark and less inspired by the fall out of slavery from the early 1900s into being ONLY about sex and partying (essentially the original white people pop music) which then transcended into acts like The Beatles. And when black people started to get in on it and brought new life to it with the invention of Disco and profiting off it; white people made a move into a new type of Rock in the 1970s with Punk Rock and Metal which started a Disco vs Rock rivalry that ended when Metal fans rounded up and burned Disco records in mass protest (mostly by predominantly black artists I might add). 
 

So culturally, as a fan of the music that essentially eradicated 2 black driven genres from the mainstream, Gaga would not fit into the narrative I think. But obviously this is all hypothetical.

Miley and Dolly and Post Malone’s inclusions on Bey’s album kinda make sense because Dolly is essentially the queen of country music, Miley is her successor by way of familiar relation and Post Malone started out before he got famous as a wannabe country musician who tried to combine country and hiphop and avid fan of the genre afterwards. He was essentially ahead of his time since Lil Nas X essentially debuted with a song that took that concept and turned it up. 

While it’s true that DWAS leans into Gaga’s pre-fame ballad/soft rock territory, that doesn’t mean a full modern Rock n Roll album is outside her wheelhouse. Gaga has repeatedly shown she can inhabit genres that carry strong cultural and historical weight, from jazz  to country-pop, and even glam rock influences. Her artistry isn’t limited by historical narratives or the origins of a genre.

Rock n Roll today isn’t a rigid, culturally “erased” space...it’s a fluid genre that modern artists, especially ones like Gaga, can reinterpret through a contemporary lens. She could honor the genre’s history while still injecting her signature theatricality and pop sensibility, likeBeyonce did with Lemonade, which referenced traditional blues, rock, and soul without being confined to its original context. Gaga collaborating with RocknRoll sounds would be less about reclaiming a historical narrative and more about artistic expansion and storytelling.

In contrast, the Dolly, Miley, Post Malone choices on Beyonces album were contextually anchored by lineage and genre homage, whereas Gaga’s choice to explore the genre could simply be framed as an evolution of her artistry rather than an attempt to fit a cultural narrative.

Edited February 18 by David Ward

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1 minute ago, David Ward said:

While it’s true that DWAS leans into Gaga’s pre-fame ballad/soft rock territory, that doesn’t mean a full modern Rock n Roll album is outside her wheelhouse. Gaga has repeatedly shown she can inhabit genres that carry strong cultural and historical weight, from jazz (Cheek to Cheek) to country-pop (Joanne), and even glam rock influences (Chromatica’s “Sine From Above” elements). Her artistry isn’t limited by historical narratives or the origins of a genre.

Rock n Roll today isn’t a rigid, culturally “erased” space...it’s a fluid genre that modern artists, especially ones like Gaga, can reinterpret through a contemporary lens. She could honor the genre’s history while still injecting her signature theatricality and pop sensibility, likeBeyonce did with Lemonade, which referenced traditional blues, rock, and soul without being confined to its original context. Gaga collaborating with RocknRoll sounds would be less about reclaiming a historical narrative and more about artistic expansion and storytelling.

In contrast, the Dolly, Miley, Post Malone choices on Beyonces album were contextually anchored by lineage and genre homage, whereas Gaga’s choice to explore the genre could simply be framed as an evolution of her artistry rather than an attempt to fit a cultural narrative.

Yes but my point still stands; all of the influences Gaga has even in those genres are from the gentrified white versions of them even her jazz music is pretty much based entirely on Judy Garland, Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett and the more slightly accepted songs by Ella Fitzgerald that happened closer to her death when she was only accepted by white audiences after people like Sinatra, Bennet and Marilyn Monroe pushed for her amongst their audiences. Marilyn so much as infamously threatening to never return to a club if they didn’t allow Ella to ply despite the fact she was black. There’s a lot of cultural significance that goes into genres like rock n roll, soul, jazz, blues and hip hop  that given Beyoncé’s current reputation as a symbol of being for black people- I just don’t see her team allowing her to consider a collaboration with Gaga now because Gaga has practically eclipsed her in the social zeitgeist (however not culturally) they want Beyoncé to seem special and untouchable and I think they KNOW Gaga also is heavily involved in her songs where as Beyoncé sort of is more of a curator now as opposed to a musician in the way that Gaga makes music now.

Like Beyoncé can’t make a song where the lead songwriting, production and instrumentation credits are literally to Gaga and it then simply say (feat. Lady Gaga) in the credits. But Beyoncé now doesn’t just appear on songs so much anymore since the late 2010s. They’ve built a specific image of her up since after 4 didnt so as well as IASF. 

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3 hours ago, gagzus said:

Yes but my point still stands; all of the influences Gaga has even in those genres are from the gentrified white versions of them

sorry I missed the part where you explained how Dolly, Post Malone and Miley were influenced by the black country artists I guess Unless you count Miley exploiting black influences (very Elvis like) for Bangerz before "maturing" and disowning that entire era of her career... And yet Beyoncé STILL duetted with her.  I think Gaga is less controversial as a collaboration choice.

For CC, collaborating with other minority country artists (like Orville Peck) or even reuniting Destiny's Child (and/or a song with Solange) for a "we've always been country" reunion would have made more sense to me than Miley Cyrus and Post Malone. So I definitely wouldn't be surprised if Gaga did appear on Act III. But I do agree with others that Telephone Part 3 is going to be on a Gaga project, if it ever happens. And it will most likely be called "Rotary phone", since their first song was about a video phone, then their second song was about its parent, the telephone, so it makes sense the third song would go even further and use a dinosaur phone 

Edited February 18 by salty like sodium