Noah Schnapp controversy

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41 minutes ago, PartySick said:

He just needs to decouple his Jewish identity from that fascist, genocidal hell hole of a country and never defend the IDF again. That's literally it. 

Agreed. I’m hoping that, especially after he finishes college, he visibly puts in the good work to make amends and demonstrate growth. He has liked pro-Gaza and pro-Palestine posts that are still up to this day, which is encouraging to notice. 

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2 hours ago, djBuffoon said:

The word “Zionist” means something very different now than it did even several years ago, and I don’t believe Noah fits the bill.

This just isn't accurate to anyone who knew Israel & Palestine existed before October 7th 2023.

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10 minutes ago, Bronco said:

This just isn't accurate to anyone who knew Israel & Palestine existed before October 7th 2023.

The definition didn’t change. The way people use it did. Especially now, post-October 7 and the deadliest phase of the genocide, ‘Zionist’ is now often shorthand for ‘pro-genocide’ or ‘pro-Netanyahu,’ and it gets thrown at people who’ve never expressed anything like that, as in this case here. 

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3 minutes ago, djBuffoon said:

The definition didn’t change. The way people use it did. Especially now, post-October 7 and the deadliest phase of the genocide, ‘Zionist’ is now often shorthand for ‘pro-genocide’ or ‘pro-Netanyahu,’ and it gets thrown at people who’ve never expressed anything like that, as in this case here. 

The beliefs underpinning Zionism, and the actions of zionism in reality did not change post-October 7th.

It has always been pro-genocide.

The only thing you are detecting is people are far more willing to criticise promoters of Zionist beliefs and actions.

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1 minute ago, Bronco said:

The beliefs underpinning Zionism, and the actions of zionism in reality did not change post-October 7th.

It has always been pro-genocide.

The only thing you are detecting is people are far more willing to criticise promoters of Zionist beliefs and actions.

We’re at an impasse here. There’s plenty of evidence that Noah (clumsily, yes) was reacting emotionally to October 7 and defending Israeli civilians -particularly in response to people openly celebrating the massacre. Not the same thing as endorsing what followed.

There is zero evidence that he supports genocide, ethnic cleansing, or the atrocities that have occurred in Gaza. If anything, his public rhetoric has been consistently anti-violence.“I hope for an end to the loss of innocent life in Palestine, so many of them being women and children. It is horrible to see. I stand against the killing of any innocent people.” (January 2024)

That, among other statements he made, is the opposite of genocidal rhetoric. If he was ignorant on the implications of the word, then it would seem that he rebukes the label entirely. 

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16 minutes ago, djBuffoon said:

We’re at an impasse here. There’s plenty of evidence that Noah (clumsily, yes) was reacting emotionally to October 7 and defending Israeli civilians -particularly in response to people openly celebrating the massacre. Not the same thing as endorsing what followed.

There is zero evidence that he supports genocide, ethnic cleansing, or the atrocities that have occurred in Gaza. If anything, his public rhetoric has been consistently anti-violence.“I hope for an end to the loss of innocent life in Palestine, so many of them being women and children. It is horrible to see. I stand against the killing of any innocent people.” (January 2024)

That, among other statements he made, is the opposite of genocidal rhetoric. If he was ignorant on the implications of the word, then it would seem that he rebukes the label entirely. 

I didnt comment on Noah Schnapp.

I specifically commented on your takes about Zionism.

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3 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I didnt comment on Noah Schnapp.

I specifically commented on your takes about Zionism.

Fair enough. 

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41 minutes ago, djBuffoon said:

We’re at an impasse here. There’s plenty of evidence that Noah (clumsily, yes) was reacting emotionally to October 7 and defending Israeli civilians -particularly in response to people openly celebrating the massacre. Not the same thing as endorsing what followed.

There is zero evidence that he supports genocide, ethnic cleansing, or the atrocities that have occurred in Gaza. If anything, his public rhetoric has been consistently anti-violence.“I hope for an end to the loss of innocent life in Palestine, so many of them being women and children. It is horrible to see. I stand against the killing of any innocent people.” (January 2024)

That, among other statements he made, is the opposite of genocidal rhetoric. If he was ignorant on the implications of the word, then it would seem that he rebukes the label entirely. 

But the issue here is that he can't have it both ways. He can't say he is against the loss of innocent life in Palestine without condemning the government of Israel, which to my knowledge, he has not done. If he wants me to take him seriously, he needs to have as much smoke for Israel's leadership and policy as he does for Hamas. He is perfectly fine calling out Hamas (as we should) but does not call out Israel or Bibi while still saying he's sad about innocent life lost on both sides. He can't have it both ways, and in my opinion, the different way he talks about Hamas versus Israel is telling. Let's also not forget how this whole situation started on stolen land (let's be real--what do you THINK is gonna happen when you terrorize and marginalize a community, of course there will be a violent response, this is human nature and happens throughout history). Anyway. I hope he grows, maybe he will.

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3 minutes ago, stvn said:

But the issue here is that he can't have it both ways. He can't say he is against the loss of innocent life in Palestine without condemning the government of Israel, which to my knowledge, he has not done. If he wants me to take him seriously, he needs to have as much smoke for Israel's leadership and policy as he does for Hamas. He is perfectly fine calling out Hamas (as we should) but does not call out Israel or Bibi while still saying he's sad about innocent life lost on both sides. He can't have it both ways, and in my opinion, the different way he talks about Hamas versus Israel is telling. Let's also not forget how this whole situation started on stolen land (let's be real--what do you THINK is gonna happen when you terrorize and marginalize a community, of course there will be a violent response, this is human nature and happens throughout history). Anyway. I hope he grows, maybe he will.

I’ve never said his language was perfect, it was not. It was clumsy and emotion-first. He was eighteen for all that. I couldn’t even spell “geopolitical” at that age, let alone speak up on a complex, contentious, longstanding conflict. 
The point here is how people take someone’s words, amplify some statements and ignore all others to frame a narrative that becomes a separate new reality. 

Do I believe Noah supports genocide? Absolutely not. Could he have spoken with more intention? Of course. Does he deserve two+ years of threats and defamation for this? Hard no. 
I appreciate that you at least give him the grace to mature and evolve, when many others do not. 

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4 hours ago, REALITY said:

I mean, is he not a Zionist though? I don’t get why yall are coddling him as if we haven’t seen people on this very forum attack other celebs for disagreeing with them politically/socially (*cough cough* Nicki Minaj). He’s definitely taken a step back from publicly speaking out about it, but I don’t doubt he still holds those same views. You don’t just change those kinds of fundamental beliefs because of some Twitter backlash.

Thank you I was about to lose my mind looking at this thread

3 hours ago, djBuffoon said:

The word “Zionist” means something very different now than it did even several years ago, and I don’t believe Noah fits the bill.

This is just not true. I don't know how to put it in plainer words. If you're willing to take the word of an arab who has directly suffered zionist violence. It has always been a terorrist ideology. I do not know why I or other victims are expected to give someone like schnapp saying something as insane as "zionism is sexy" the benefit of the doubt

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8 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

This is just not true. I don't know how to put it in plainer words. If you're willing to take the word of an arab who has directly suffered zionist violence. It has always been a terorrist ideology. I do not know why I or other victims are expected to give someone like schnapp saying something as insane as "zionism is sexy" the benefit of the doubt

I am sorry to hear that, and for everything you’ve experienced. 

Because you brought it up, however, we need to be clear: Noah never said that, or anything like that. The link in the OP, if you’re willing to look at it, explains the context of that video. If you don’t care to look further, I don’t blame you.
I’ve seen people claiming he was wearing the sticker, he was passing them out, etc., and that is not the truth.  

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1 hour ago, djBuffoon said:

I am sorry to hear that, and for everything you’ve experienced. 

Because you brought it up, however, we need to be clear: Noah never said that, or anything like that. The link in the OP, if you’re willing to look at it, explains the context of that video. If you don’t care to look further, I don’t blame you.
I’ve seen people claiming he was wearing the sticker, he was passing them out, etc., and that is not the truth.  

I just read the article and I understand that he wasn't personally handing out the stickers, but that is like saying someone isn't a Nazi because he was only smiling and filming his friends waving nazi flags, without personally holding one. That argument isn't great. Also he was quite literally *in* israel in that video. Can you imagine being born less than an hour drive away from jerusalem, bethlehem, all of these historically and biblically and culturally significant places with all of their monuments, and spending all your life unable to step foot in this land that was our neighbor for hundreds of years, because foreigners younger than our own living grandparents came and settled, and then seeing this video of this dude being there on a "free school trip" having fun with "zionism is sexy" behind him and all of these propagandists? What could it inspire inside you if not hate and hurt from the injustice and mockery of the torture we've endured? Would you excuse him because he didn't touch the sticker?

Now with that said, I did not know he had liked anti-genocide posts, and apparently donated, if that one tiktok comment is to be trusted, so that's good to know at least. And I'd be hypocritical if I gave Gaga a pass just for letting "free palestine" messages on the mayhem screen but not others (though I do admit to myself that Gaga largely gets the pass because I love her so much, not because her complete silence is satisfactory, it actually quite breaks my heart)

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2 hours ago, littlepotter said:

I just read the article and I understand that he wasn't personally handing out the stickers, but that is like saying someone isn't a Nazi because he was only smiling and filming his friends waving nazi flags, without personally holding one. That argument isn't great. Also he was quite literally *in* israel in that video. Can you imagine being born less than an hour drive away from jerusalem, bethlehem, all of these historically and biblically and culturally significant places with all of their monuments, and spending all your life unable to step foot in this land that was our neighbor for hundreds of years, because foreigners younger than our own living grandparents came and settled, and then seeing this video of this dude being there on a "free school trip" having fun with "zionism is sexy" behind him and all of these propagandists? What could it inspire inside you if not hate and hurt from the injustice and mockery of the torture we've endured? Would you excuse him because he didn't touch the sticker?

Now with that said, I did not know he had liked anti-genocide posts, and apparently donated, if that one tiktok comment is to be trusted, so that's good to know at least. And I'd be hypocritical if I gave Gaga a pass just for letting "free palestine" messages on the mayhem screen but not others (though I do admit to myself that Gaga largely gets the pass because I love her so much, not because her complete silence is satisfactory, it actually quite breaks my heart)

I hear you, and I appreciate your thoughts on this. 

Honestly, the stickers video is the one part of this I can’t get a firm handle on, for multiple reasons. It’s such a short video, no context for who these other people are, and there does come a point where Noah looks around and his expression and phone both drop. 
Given his progressive takes before and after this incident, this video seems out of character (I don’t know him, obviously).  

But also… let’s say for the sake of argument, he’s a total sociopath and he agrees with the general sentiment. Noah was plugged in with his generation online for many years, and it doesn’t make sense to me why he would so openly align with a position that his generation is vocally and passionately against. I’m inclined to believe the charity head when they say that he donated but preferred to do it quietly. They have nothing to gain by lying about it, and it would corroborate the Gaza-centered posts he’s liked and shared since 2024.
 

I also hear you on Gaga. I’m not sure why she doesn’t say anything, and it’s wild to consider that even Noah has been more vocal on the topic than she. 

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He is a zionist though, like, he said it himself basically, it's not like calling Gaga or Rihanna zionists because they performed there over a decade ago and aren't politically active enough for some. In this case, it's pretty cut and dry, he didn't conjure the "zionism is sexy stickers" out of nowhere. I mean, you can still enjoy his work in the way I think Lars von Trier's work is good, but yeah. 

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9 minutes ago, freebit said:

He is a zionist though, like, he said it himself basically, it's not like calling Gaga or Rihanna zionists because they performed there over a decade ago and aren't politically active enough for some. In this case, it's pretty cut and dry, he didn't conjure the "zionism is sexy stickers" out of nowhere. I mean, you can still enjoy his work in the way I think Lars von Trier's work is good, but yeah. 

And if I said he literally didn’t conjure anything?

This is precisely the kind of misinformation I’m talking about. Read the linked article.