Noah Schnapp controversy

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how come his age is only relevant for backlash but not for his embolden take would it be considered v mature of him if he received no backlash?? 

 

it’s the fact that in the year 2026 we allow ethno states  or at least the extreme view of them within holding the gov and their leaders contempt to making sure democracy continues to evolve we live in a time where we are stuck in the past and we relish in the closed politics of it because we already have our circle so why expand it? the fact that people think being pro palestine means ur pro hamas is as dumb as people thinking israel shouldn’t exist is the same as the antisemitism of the holocaust it’s simply put that terrorism shouldn’t be existing at all

 

WHAT IS THE POINT OF LEADERS, AMBASSADORS, ETC IF THE GAME IS BLOODSHED 

 

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4 minutes ago, xxxdreams said:

Excuse you? Can you please show me the part where I said that they are “infesting the world”? I made a hypothetical scenario where white people did the same thing that Israeli Jews did, which also happened in some places and there is an ongoing attempt in the USA. I used white people as an example because they exist everywhere, just like Jewish people do, and it makes the most sense to base that scenario on white people since it did happen in some places like Rhodesia, as I pointed out, and Israelis managed to mostly succeed at it in Israel.

Me pointing out that Jews factually exist everywhere, because as I said they are an ethnoreligious group and have been exiled to many places around the world, is not me trying to portray them as infesting the world. Stop putting words in my mouth, SMH. I also pointed out that white people exist everywhere. Does that make me anti white or imply that they are infesting the world or not?
 

You are talking about the Great Replacement Theory, the theory that Black people or Jewish people or non white people in general are intentionally immigrating into white majority places and reproducing in order to replace them, and you are implying that I subscribe to it while also calling me a leftist in the same message. The Great Replacement Theory is a far right theory. I am a leftist, and I do not believe in it because it is utterly ridiculous in every sense and antisemitic.

Two comments ago I was supposedly Israeli far right, and now I am apparently a leftist who believes in the Great Replacement? It seems like you are just using buzzwords and name calling, hoping that it makes sense in the end.

He does not only want to carry out ethnic cleansing against Palestinians, he IS carrying out ethnic cleansing against Palestinians, along with many people who support it. I also do not want to ethnically cleanse Israelis because I am not antisemitic and they are civilians and human beings just like us. I actually do not want to ethnically cleanse anyone because I am a humanitarian. You are putting words in my mouth to try to paint me as if I am some antisemitic person who hates Jews and thinks that they run the world or have space lasers to eliminate others. I'm not a Nazi, just an Anti-Zionist, but apparently nothing I say will make you differentiate between the two when Nazism is much more similiar to Zionism.

But kicking out israelis from israel is ethnically cleansing lol

Like I said, you can’t be anti zionist or anti Palestine without supporting the ideas behind them, kicking one of the ethnicities out of their lands.

if you tell me that u accept that Israelis has the right to live in Israel, not the west bank, not Gaza, just what they legally have now, then fine I’m with you.

Both can have a land and their own self determination.

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Just now, PartySick said:

No

Stop making me be a parent 

I'd die for you but I'll also kill you myself if you don't stop antagonizing  go troll a Taylor thread or something

LA Show 

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3 minutes ago, xxxdreams said:

That is very immature and shows how much you actually care about this real conflict that affects people everyday. Take care.

Dude I was in jail because I refused to serge the IDF for humanitarian reasons Lol

I did for the Palestinan cause more than any of the keyboard warriors ever did lol

 

but I still will not compromise my identity as israeli

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1 minute ago, River said:

if you tell me that u accept that Israelis has the right to live in Israel, not the west bank, not Gaza, just what they legally have now, then fine I’m with you.

That was the first paragraph of my message, but obviously you have a problem with reading, explaining that anti Zionists do not actually want to carry out ethnic cleansing, but instead want equality for Palestinian and Jewish people, including humanity, sovereignty, and self determination. Zionism is doing what you are describing, which is creating an ethno state through ethnic cleansing.

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6 hours ago, xxxdreams said:

First of all, Zionism is a political and national movement that supports the establishment and development of a Jewish homeland in the historic land of Israel. Antisemitism is hostility, prejudice, discrimination, or hatred directed against Jewish people.

Being Anti-Zionist means that you are against the creation of a Jewish ethno-state called Israel with Jews as its national identity, which discriminates against and erases Palestinian identity and self-determination, who are indigenous to the same land. Being Anti-Zionist is being against the hundreds of thousands of displaced Palestinian families when Israel was being created. Being Anti-Zionist is desiring that Palestinians have equal rights as the Jews in Israel. Zionism is pro-genocide because it requires the ethnic cleansing and displacement of the indigenous people living there, so Anti-Zionism is also Anti-Genocide. Being Anti-Zionist is being against the refusal of Palestinian sovereignty, humanity, and self-determination. Zionism is a right-wing, fascist, supremacist ideology. Anti-Zionism does not make you a Jew-hater, it just means you are against this ideology.

You can also make parallels between the Nazis and the Zionists. What did Nazis believe? They believed that Germans deserve a state specifically for Germans and any other "Aryans" who would be able to easily blend into German cultural homogeneity. But they also believed that that state should eventually settle and encompass the rest of the old Western "Roman" territory, since the Nazis fancied themselves the beginning of the third coming of the Roman Empire (Third Reich).

The big problem arises both from the fact that the ideology seeks to expand and conquer surrounding countries in order to unite the old empire, and that in both Germany itself and in the surrounding countries, there are many non-Aryan "undesirables" like Jews and Roma (as in plural of Romani) already living there. So, for Nazi ideology to move forth, they have to either forcibly push out all undesirables in a diaspora, kill all of them, or both.

Similarly, the problem with Zionists that arises is that they implicitly seek to invade and conquer the surrounding areas in order to unite the Promised Land. And also, many non-Jew undesirables already live in both Israeli territory and surrounding Promised Land territories. In fact, the surrounding territories are predominantly populated by undesirables, so settling those areas necessitates a mass removal of them, which is what we are seeing now.

Over the course of the last century since Jews first began migrating to the Promised Land with Western support, they had begun forcibly and violently displacing the people who already lived there. Now, Israel is enacting the final step of its plan and triggering a mass diaspora to drive the native people into Egypt and Jordan by committing genocide. The Nazis were much more systematic about killing as many undesirables in Western Europe as possible because their ideology sought to unite a much larger "promised" area, but the general idea is still the same. Cleanse the "promised" territory of undesirables so that you can unite it under an ethno-state.

Also, "Jewish self-determination" is an excuse. Judaism is special in the fact that it is an ethno-religion. Most people have an ethnicity and a religion alongside that, but not for Jews. Jews exist in Uganda and China; there are Eastern European Jews and Western European Jews; there are Spanish Jews, etc., and they are all around the globe, just like white people are. It is like arguing for white self-determination. Why cannot white people have a country? Regardless of the historical discrimination and Holocaust of the Jews, they are the dominant, supremacist group in Israel. So when you make the Zionist argument, it is no different than a majority white country talking about wanting to get rid of non-whites, and that is kind of happening in the USA right now, and other countries in history have made the same argument, like Rhodesia. The entire "Jewish self-determination" argument sits on the premise that it requires the suppression of Palestinian self-determination; it requires the suppression of allowing Palestinian sovereignty.

Under modern international law and structures, all nations have a right to self-determination. That is, they have the right to govern themselves. They do NOT have the right to displace others to achieve it. Maybe if saying that Palestinians should have equal rights in the same land makes Israelis think that you are being anti-semitic, there is already a good and a bad side to this and it is not a circle as you think it to be. We are seeing what Zionism looks like in Gaza through and through.

"Zionism is pro-genocide because it requires the ethnic cleansing and displacement of the indigenous people living there"

That's not true.

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26 minutes ago, Not The Real Gaga said:

That's not true.

Thank you for your elaboration of how it's not true.

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48 minutes ago, xxxdreams said:

Thank you for your elaboration of how it's not true.

In it's core, zionism is about striving for a Jewish state. Zionism is not per definition the same as colonizing Palestinian territories, ethnic cleansing or committing genocide.

Many Jews, both within and outside Israel, support the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside the State of Israel. The same is true for groups of zionists. Not every zionist is the same.

And let me be clear: the State of Israel is committing genocidal acts with the intent to destroy Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as a group.

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7 hours ago, xxxdreams said:

That was the first paragraph of my message, but obviously you have a problem with reading, explaining that anti Zionists do not actually want to carry out ethnic cleansing, but instead want equality for Palestinian and Jewish people, including humanity, sovereignty, and self determination. Zionism is doing what you are describing, which is creating an ethno state through ethnic cleansing.

But you described Zionists as “jews self determination for a state”

So if you’re anti-Zionist you are anti-“jews self determination for a state”

which is a discrimination, it’s erasure, so it’s antisemitic, like it or not 🤷‍♂️

you don’t get to choose what is antisemitism and what is not just because it’s not fitting your opinion lol

If Jews keeps on complaining about antisemitism and you keep on dismissing it just because your an “humanitarian left wing peace and love” then you’re simply just another bigot that votes Kamala or whatever. 

Because being on the right side of history still doesn’t male you free from criticism and from being a bigot.

Instead of keeping on writing the same old propaganda over and over that you saw on tiktok and youtube and read on pro Palestinian media, maybe stop for a second and listen to the Jews?

Zionism is a spectrum like any other thing, like religion, like sexuality and so on, not every Zionist wants to kill Palestinians as a hobby…

 

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18 hours ago, Not The Real Gaga said:

In it's core, zionism is about striving for a Jewish state. Zionism is not per definition the same as colonizing Palestinian territories, ethnic cleansing or committing genocide.

Many Jews, both within and outside Israel, support the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside the State of Israel. The same is true for groups of zionists. Not every zionist is the same.

And let me be clear: the State of Israel is committing genocidal acts with the intent to destroy Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as a group.

True, it first meant that, but over time it led to the creation of the settler colonial state of Israel, which ethnically cleanses the indigenous people living there and is an apartheid ethno state.

I understand the point that not every Zionist is the same, but those at the top want the extermination of Palestinians from the promised land and Zionists across the spectrum, regardless of where they stand, give them a foundation to stand on.

Zionism, whether it was once framed as the peaceful Jewish state idea, has evolved into what we see happening in Gaza and Israel today. Using the term Zionist to describe yourself is stupid if you do not support the development and existence of Israel as it currently stands, especially if you do not want to associate with or support the people who use the same term to identify themselves while ethnically cleansing the indigenous people of the land. It's just tone-deaf.
 

Edited yesterday at 02:32 PM by xxxdreams

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14 hours ago, River said:

But you described Zionists as “jews self determination for a state”

No. It was more nuanced. Read it again.

 

14 hours ago, River said:

So if you’re anti-Zionist you are anti-“jews self determination for a state”

No. I explained how that is not the case.

 

14 hours ago, River said:

you don’t get to choose what is antisemitism and what is not just because it’s not fitting your opinion lol

You are the one who does that, and you are the one who accused me of being antisemitic and implied that I said Jews were infesting the world simply because I am anti Zionist and do not support what Israel does.

 

14 hours ago, River said:

If Jews keeps on complaining about antisemitism and you keep on dismissing it just because your an “humanitarian left wing peace and love” then you’re simply just another bigot that votes Kamala or whatever. 

Don't know why Jews complaining about antisemitism is relevant to our topic at all. I never once dismissed that. I also did not vote for Kamala because I am not in the US. I do agree that antisemitism worldwide is at extremely high levels right now.

 

14 hours ago, River said:

Instead of keeping on writing the same old propaganda over and over that you saw on tiktok and youtube and read on pro Palestinian media, maybe stop for a second and listen to the Jews?

Dude, I wasn't going to mention it, but I am a Jew. My ancestors came to the Ottoman lands after the expulsions from Spain and Portugal in the late 15th century. I currently live in Turkey and I am a Sephardic Jew. You are the one who is heavily propagandized.

 

14 hours ago, River said:

Zionism is a spectrum like any other thing, like religion, like sexuality and so on, not every Zionist wants to kill Palestinians as a hobby…

I already explained why that is partly true but does not matter when replying to the person above.

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I think if people really want to keep speaking on that - they should be doing something substantial to the cause. even his ridiculous Zionism is Sexy stickers weren't doing ****. but I guess its much more easier to target random actors instead of politicians and such when you're surrounded by pop culture.

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1 hour ago, xxxdreams said:

No. It was more nuanced. Read it again.

 

No. I explained how that is not the case.

 

You are the one who does that, and you are the one who accused me of being antisemitic and implied that I said Jews were infesting the world simply because I am anti Zionist and do not support what Israel does.

 

Don't know why Jews complaining about antisemitism is relevant to our topic at all. I never once dismissed that. I also did not vote for Kamala because I am not in the US. I do agree that antisemitism worldwide is at extremely high levels right now.

 

Dude, I wasn't going to mention it, but I am a Jew. My ancestors came to the Ottoman lands after the expulsions from Spain and Portugal in the late 15th century. I currently live in Turkey and I am a Sephardic Jew. You are the one who is heavily propagandized.

 

I already explained why that is partly true but does not matter when replying to the person above.

so do u agree with me that this whole conflict is.. complicated? and no matter what we say, nothing can bring back the thousands who died for that damned land.

Most of the people just use Zionism like MAGA or like woke, but not really understand the history of Zionism.

I'm Israeli, but I don't consider myself as Zionist, but I love my country, I'm a Jew, Mizrahi, but an atheist, my connection to the religion is absolutely 0.

I refused to serve the IDF, along with all my siblings and my parents, and we all were in jail for 6 months when we were 18, much fun right?

my mom was a member of Nashot Watch, but was killed by a Hamas rocket.

So I am passionate about this, and I am part of the tragedy, but I will fight for a Palestinian state, along side my home, because this is the only solution because if we're still talking about one Palestinian land then...  complete genocide of Israelis... they will never ever live together with Palestinians, and vice versa, the hate is mutual, and if someone thinks that Israelis would just pack their bags and live, they are delusional. so the only way is to stop this river to the sea nonsense that only harmed the Palestinian cause and focus on pressuring Trump and his all fake peace coalition to create the state and to do it with very little abuse, losses and to ensure the safety of the Palestinians.

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45 minutes ago, Super said:

I think if people really want to keep speaking on that - they should be doing something substantial to the cause. even his ridiculous Zionism is Sexy stickers weren't doing ****. but I guess its much more easier to target random actors instead of politicians and such when you're surrounded by pop culture.

Very true. But even here, you’ve highlighted a part of my initial point. There are people who now SWEAR that he was wearing these stickers, passing them out, parading around with banners, etc, but when you actually look at the video, none of that is true. It’s very apparent he doesn’t even know what tf is going on.