Noah Schnapp controversy

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It's VERYY concerning to see some notable members of our community thinking that this conflict magically started with the creation of Hamas. This goes WAYYY back.

Also, supporting the existence of Israel literally DOES make you a Zionist. That is literally the meaning of the term. Zionism is the belief that Jews have the right to national self-determination in their ancestral homeland. Though saying that maybe hospitals should not be carpet bombed and children should not be shot with drones does not make you a Hamas sympathizer.

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15 hours ago, River said:

uh oh the Hamas apologists are here 

River please   

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15 hours ago, River said:

uh oh the Hamas apologists are here 

??

I had hamas and pretzels yesterday why should I apologise for that?

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17 hours ago, djBuffoon said:

Social media can be such a great thing, but we completely abuse it against each other constantly. 

I think society would only benefit in the long run If we all woke up and TikTok, Instagram, facebook, Snapchat and twitter were just gone and memory wiped from all of us.  
 

i love being able to Stay up to date with things but the things I see on there are just not things that make me happy, and I’m already have anxiety, so waking up after 5 hours of sleep and the first thing I see is another terrible ICE incident, people dying, Jeff from high school had a heart attack and passed, Antarctica is melting fast, housing, job market crashes in my country ….. I’m just like what has happened to everybody 😭 it’s so sad, and makes me less hopeful for the future 

Edited Sunday at 10:30 AM by TheARTPOPball

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2 hours ago, ALGAYDO said:

River please   

Love u sis I’m just messing with u

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9 hours ago, xxxdreams said:

It's VERYY concerning to see some notable members of our community thinking that this conflict magically started with the creation of Hamas. This goes WAYYY back.

Also, supporting the existence of Israel literally DOES make you a Zionist. That is literally the meaning of the term. Zionism is the belief that Jews have the right to national self-determination in their ancestral homeland. Though saying that maybe hospitals should not be carpet bombed and children should not be shot with drones does not make you a Hamas sympathizer.

so does being anti-zionist makes you a person that doesn’t believe in the existing of Israel and that Jews have a self determination? So how does Jews will not see it as antisemitism? 

So being anti zionist is doing the same thing that Netanyahu’s government does to the Palestinians? Tearing their self determination to their land at all cost, erasing them.

Do u understand the circle when u choose a side and working hard to erase the other?

We are in a point in time when the people who are not part of the conflict are cheering up in an bloodbath of arena, waiting for one side to just die and be gone, instead of doing everything to stop the battle and find a way for these 2 entities to live in harmony next to each other.

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1 hour ago, River said:

so does being anti-zionist makes you a person that doesn’t believe in the existing of Israel and that Jews have a self determination? So how does Jews will not see it as antisemitism? 

So being anti zionist is doing the same thing that Netanyahu’s government does to the Palestinians? Tearing their self determination to their land at all cost, erasing them.

Do u understand the circle when u choose a side and working hard to erase the other?

We are in a point in time when the people who are not part of the conflict are cheering up in an bloodbath of arena, waiting for one side to just die and be gone, instead of doing everything to stop the battle and find a way for these 2 entities to live in harmony next to each other.

First of all, Zionism is a political and national movement that supports the establishment and development of a Jewish homeland in the historic land of Israel. Antisemitism is hostility, prejudice, discrimination, or hatred directed against Jewish people.

Being Anti-Zionist means that you are against the creation of a Jewish ethno-state called Israel with Jews as its national identity, which discriminates against and erases Palestinian identity and self-determination, who are indigenous to the same land. Being Anti-Zionist is being against the hundreds of thousands of displaced Palestinian families when Israel was being created. Being Anti-Zionist is desiring that Palestinians have equal rights as the Jews in Israel. Zionism is pro-genocide because it requires the ethnic cleansing and displacement of the indigenous people living there, so Anti-Zionism is also Anti-Genocide. Being Anti-Zionist is being against the refusal of Palestinian sovereignty, humanity, and self-determination. Zionism is a right-wing, fascist, supremacist ideology. Anti-Zionism does not make you a Jew-hater, it just means you are against this ideology.

You can also make parallels between the Nazis and the Zionists. What did Nazis believe? They believed that Germans deserve a state specifically for Germans and any other "Aryans" who would be able to easily blend into German cultural homogeneity. But they also believed that that state should eventually settle and encompass the rest of the old Western "Roman" territory, since the Nazis fancied themselves the beginning of the third coming of the Roman Empire (Third Reich).

The big problem arises both from the fact that the ideology seeks to expand and conquer surrounding countries in order to unite the old empire, and that in both Germany itself and in the surrounding countries, there are many non-Aryan "undesirables" like Jews and Roma (as in plural of Romani) already living there. So, for Nazi ideology to move forth, they have to either forcibly push out all undesirables in a diaspora, kill all of them, or both.

Similarly, the problem with Zionists that arises is that they implicitly seek to invade and conquer the surrounding areas in order to unite the Promised Land. And also, many non-Jew undesirables already live in both Israeli territory and surrounding Promised Land territories. In fact, the surrounding territories are predominantly populated by undesirables, so settling those areas necessitates a mass removal of them, which is what we are seeing now.

Over the course of the last century since Jews first began migrating to the Promised Land with Western support, they had begun forcibly and violently displacing the people who already lived there. Now, Israel is enacting the final step of its plan and triggering a mass diaspora to drive the native people into Egypt and Jordan by committing genocide. The Nazis were much more systematic about killing as many undesirables in Western Europe as possible because their ideology sought to unite a much larger "promised" area, but the general idea is still the same. Cleanse the "promised" territory of undesirables so that you can unite it under an ethno-state.

Also, "Jewish self-determination" is an excuse. Judaism is special in the fact that it is an ethno-religion. Most people have an ethnicity and a religion alongside that, but not for Jews. Jews exist in Uganda and China; there are Eastern European Jews and Western European Jews; there are Spanish Jews, etc., and they are all around the globe, just like white people are. It is like arguing for white self-determination. Why cannot white people have a country? Regardless of the historical discrimination and Holocaust of the Jews, they are the dominant, supremacist group in Israel. So when you make the Zionist argument, it is no different than a majority white country talking about wanting to get rid of non-whites, and that is kind of happening in the USA right now, and other countries in history have made the same argument, like Rhodesia. The entire "Jewish self-determination" argument sits on the premise that it requires the suppression of Palestinian self-determination; it requires the suppression of allowing Palestinian sovereignty.

Under modern international law and structures, all nations have a right to self-determination. That is, they have the right to govern themselves. They do NOT have the right to displace others to achieve it. Maybe if saying that Palestinians should have equal rights in the same land makes Israelis think that you are being anti-semitic, there is already a good and a bad side to this and it is not a circle as you think it to be. We are seeing what Zionism looks like in Gaza through and through.

Edited Sunday at 12:45 PM by xxxdreams
It censored a part of my text.

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1 hour ago, xxxdreams said:

First of all, Zionism is a political and national movement that supports the establishment and development of a Jewish homeland in the historic land of Israel. Antisemitism is hostility, prejudice, discrimination, or hatred directed against Jewish people.

Being Anti-Zionist means that you are against the creation of a Jewish ethno-state called Israel with Jews as its national identity, which discriminates against and erases Palestinian identity and self-determination, who are indigenous to the same land. Being Anti-Zionist is being against the hundreds of thousands of displaced Palestinian families when Israel was being created. Being Anti-Zionist is desiring that Palestinians have equal rights as the Jews in Israel. Zionism is pro-genocide because it requires the ethnic cleansing and displacement of the indigenous people living there, so Anti-Zionism is also Anti-Genocide. Being Anti-Zionist is being against the refusal of Palestinian sovereignty, humanity, and self-determination. Zionism is a right-wing, fascist, supremacist ideology. Anti-Zionism does not make you a Jew-hater, it just means you are against this ideology.

You can also make parallels between the Nazis and the Zionists. What did Nazis believe? They believed that Germans deserve a state specifically for Germans and any other "Aryans" who would be able to easily blend into German cultural homogeneity. But they also believed that that state should eventually settle and encompass the rest of the old Western "Roman" territory, since the Nazis fancied themselves the beginning of the third coming of the Roman Empire (Third Reich).

The big problem arises both from the fact that the ideology seeks to expand and conquer surrounding countries in order to unite the old empire, and that in both Germany itself and in the surrounding countries, there are many non-Aryan "undesirables" like Jews and Roma (as in plural of Romani) already living there. So, for Nazi ideology to move forth, they have to either forcibly push out all undesirables in a diaspora, kill all of them, or both.

Similarly, the problem with Zionists that arises is that they implicitly seek to invade and conquer the surrounding areas in order to unite the Promised Land. And also, many non-Jew undesirables already live in both Israeli territory and surrounding Promised Land territories. In fact, the surrounding territories are predominantly populated by undesirables, so settling those areas necessitates a mass removal of them, which is what we are seeing now.

Over the course of the last century since Jews first began migrating to the Promised Land with Western support, they had begun forcibly and violently displacing the people who already lived there. Now, Israel is enacting the final step of its plan and triggering a mass diaspora to drive the native people into Egypt and Jordan by committing genocide. The Nazis were much more systematic about killing as many undesirables in Western Europe as possible because their ideology sought to unite a much larger "promised" area, but the general idea is still the same. Cleanse the "promised" territory of undesirables so that you can unite it under an ethno-state.

Also, "Jewish self-determination" is an excuse. Judaism is special in the fact that it is an ethno-religion. Most people have an ethnicity and a religion alongside that, but not for Jews. Jews exist in Uganda and China; there are Eastern European Jews and Western European Jews; there are Spanish Jews, etc., and they are all around the globe, just like white people are. It is like arguing for white self-determination. Why cannot white people have a country? Regardless of the historical discrimination and Holocaust of the Jews, they are the dominant, supremacist group in Israel. So when you make the Zionist argument, it is no different than a majority white country talking about wanting to get rid of non-whites, and that is kind of happening in the USA right now, and other countries in history have made the same argument, like Rhodesia. The entire "Jewish self-determination" argument sits on the premise that it requires the suppression of Palestinian self-determination; it requires the suppression of allowing Palestinian sovereignty.

Under modern international law and structures, all nations have a right to self-determination. That is, they have the right to govern themselves. They do NOT have the right to displace others to achieve it. Maybe if saying that Palestinians should have equal rights in the same land makes Israelis think that you are being anti-semitic, there is already a good and a bad side to this and it is not a circle as you think it to be. We are seeing what Zionism looks like in Gaza through and through.

You sound exactly like the Israeli right wing, same narrative, just different people to hate.

I rest my case lol

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1 hour ago, River said:

You sound exactly like the Israeli right wing, same narrative, just different people to hate.

I rest my case lol

You really expect me to take you seriously when you do not even try to prove a point and just irrelevantly name call me and respond with only a sentence and say “I rest my case, heh” smugly?

I do not sound like the Israeli right wing, otherwise I would be advocating for a settler colonial ethno state that ethnically cleanses indigenous people who do not fit the new status quo in an area, as well as the bombing of civilian buildings, hospitals, and schools. I addressed why Anti-Zionism is not the same as Anti-Semitism in the first paragraph, and I do not hate Jewish people whatsoever. Thinking what I wrote about Israel (Anti-Zionist) does not mean that I am prejudiced against Jewish people (Anti-Semitic).

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22 minutes ago, xxxdreams said:

You really expect me to take you seriously when you do not even try to prove a point and just irrelevantly name call me and respond with only a sentence and say “I rest my case, heh” smugly?

I do not sound like the Israeli right wing, otherwise I would be advocating for a settler colonial ethno state that ethnically cleanses indigenous people who do not fit the new status quo in an area, as well as the bombing of civilian buildings, hospitals, and schools. I addressed why Anti-Zionism is not the same as Anti-Semitism in the first paragraph, and I do not hate Jewish people whatsoever. Thinking what I wrote about Israel (Anti-Zionist) does not mean that I am prejudiced against Jewish people (Anti-Semitic).

You do lol

You really said all I wanted you to say and you prove exactly my point.

You literally compared Jews to white people and you described them like they are infesting the world lol

You are a leftist Smotrich 

he wants to do a ethnical cleansing Palestines and u want to do ethnical cleansing to Israelis.

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20 minutes ago, River said:

u want to do ethnical cleansing to Israelis.

That is not what they said at all

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5 minutes ago, River said:

You literally compared Jews to white people and you described them like they are infesting the world lol

Excuse you? Can you please show me the part where I said that they are “infesting the world”? I made a hypothetical scenario where white people did the same thing that Israeli Jews did, which also happened in some places and there is an ongoing attempt in the USA. I used white people as an example because they exist everywhere, just like Jewish people do, and it makes the most sense to base that scenario on white people since it did happen in some places like Rhodesia, as I pointed out, and Israelis managed to mostly succeed at it in Israel.

Me pointing out that Jews factually exist everywhere, because as I said they are an ethnoreligious group and have been exiled to many places around the world, is not me trying to portray them as infesting the world. Stop putting words in my mouth, SMH. I also pointed out that white people exist everywhere. Does that make me anti white or imply that they are infesting the world or not?
 

9 minutes ago, River said:

You are a leftist Smotrich 

You are talking about the Great Replacement Theory, the theory that Black people or Jewish people or non white people in general are intentionally immigrating into white majority places and reproducing in order to replace them, and you are implying that I subscribe to it while also calling me a leftist in the same message. The Great Replacement Theory is a far right theory. I am a leftist, and I do not believe in it because it is utterly ridiculous in every sense and antisemitic.

Two comments ago I was supposedly Israeli far right, and now I am apparently a leftist who believes in the Great Replacement? It seems like you are just using buzzwords and name calling, hoping that it makes sense in the end.

13 minutes ago, River said:

he wants to do a ethnical cleansing Palestines and u want to do ethnical cleansing to Israelis.

He does not only want to carry out ethnic cleansing against Palestinians, he IS carrying out ethnic cleansing against Palestinians, along with many people who support it. I also do not want to ethnically cleanse Israelis because I am not antisemitic and they are civilians and human beings just like us. I actually do not want to ethnically cleanse anyone because I am a humanitarian. You are putting words in my mouth to try to paint me as if I am some antisemitic person who hates Jews and thinks that they run the world or have space lasers to eliminate others. I'm not a Nazi, just an Anti-Zionist, but apparently nothing I say will make you differentiate between the two when Nazism is much more similiar to Zionism.

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8 minutes ago, PartySick said:

That is not what they said at all

Shoosh Let me have my fun 

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2 minutes ago, River said:

Shoosh Let me have my fun

That is very immature and shows how much you actually care about this real conflict that affects people everyday. Take care.

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Just now, River said:

Shoosh Let me have my fun 

No

Stop making me be a parent 

I'd die for you but I'll also kill you myself if you don't stop antagonizing  go troll a Taylor thread or something