Gaga hills you will die on

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1 minute ago, imogen2133 said:

The difference between the retro sounds of The Fame or BTW and Mayhem is that her older 70s/80s inspired songs is that the older ones sounded more inspired by that sound and had the gagaisms added to make them unique where as the ones on Mayhem were too similar/were almost a ripoff to the sounds she was inspired by (Michael Jackson,Prince,Bowie, 80s in general) and didn't have that original twist.

Didn't you pay attention to her saying that all of her albums had *a sound* but she made the effort to not put an outfit to MAYHEM? This is her wanting to redefine what Gaga means, and she in fact did. That's the whole point

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1 hour ago, Blackout19 said:

i know. 

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10 hours ago, DavidLuis198 said:

Or thinking that the video is not "dark" just because everything is happening in the daylight, it's like some people purposely refuse to engage with anything that isn't a cliché

Yeah her in underwear being attacked by Mayhem in broad daylight where cars just pass by without a care in the world is A LOT more telling and disturbing than if it happened at night

Edited Saturday at 02:50 PM by TheFrenchGuy

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12 hours ago, Taumaturg0 said:

this is only a problem when shows start before 9 PM, which is an insane thing to do

Not entirely accurate. The length of the day is determined by geographical position.

So as we saw with the Eras tour in Edinburgh, even in the latter parts of the show (which really thrive under stagelight only) the stadium was still lit up by natural light. 

And as most stadiums outside of the US have curfews (and tbf even US states have curfews in some places), its impossible to start a 2 hr or longer show after 9pm without cutting the show to fit the curfew.

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9 hours ago, HotLikeMexico said:

Disease MV not being dark enough because it is in daylight... are probably the same people who ironically stan Midsummar a horror movie that takes place entirely during the daylight. I am saying this cause it seems like everybody here was wet Midsommar when it came out.

I feel like that really echoes my point about people liking the aesthetics of art more than the art itself. People were wet for Midsommar because the movie is gorgeous. It screenshots well. The flowers, the acting, the bear suit, everything is top notch. The film dominated Pinterest and Tumblr when it came out for that reason, and that played a big role in its success. I don’t think the dichotomy of horror unfolding in such an idyllic setting even crossed most people’s minds, even though that was the whole point.

Disease on the other hand is not trying to be beautiful, it's very minimal and odd. So they didn't care for it even though the concept serves the symbolism very well.

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Another thing that never sits right with me is for an artist who’s entire thesis in her debut was “people say electronic music is soulless and cold, but it’s not” and then made an effort yo put so much would into electronic music- she sure does have some dense anti-electronic music fans.

Edited Saturday at 03:07 PM by gagzus

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10 minutes ago, TheFrenchGuy said:

I feel like that really echoes my point about people liking the aesthetics of art more than the art itself. People were wet for Midsommar because the movie is gorgeous. It screenshots well. The flowers, the acting, the bear suit, everything is top notch. The film dominated Pinterest and Tumblr when it came out for that reason, and that played a big role in its success. I don’t think the dichotomy of horror unfolding in such an idyllic setting even crossed most people’s minds, even though that was the whole point.

Disease on the other hand is not trying to be beautiful, it's very minimal and odd. So they didn't care for it even though the concept serves the symbolism very well.

They say this as if half the video isn’t dark in a literal sense (the part indoors), they probably don’t understand that the video entirely encompasses the idea she had for mayhem birthing a new version of her music being less specific. Exemplified by the different versions of herself fighting and her giving birth to another new version of herself from the mistress.

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1 hour ago, guythatplaydoctor said:

@Riveris a legend. Even before I signed up I've always liked River. I think y'all should make up for sure. 

Awwww  

the legend gonna lege 

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1 hour ago, gagzus said:

the video entirely encompasses the idea she had for mayhem birthing a new version of her music being less specific

This is actually a veeery good interpretation!

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Joanne. I love Joanne. It’s probably the album that fills me with the most nostalgia relevant to that time in my life. I would rather listen to Joanne than any album in her discography other than Mayhem. 

Edited Saturday at 05:09 PM by Agunimon

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I'm gonna go era by era. I don't think all of these are hot takes, per se, but I am not interested in discourse because I am right about all of these.

 

The Fame -- Many fans have nostalgia blinders for this album. The album cuts are cute, and that's it. The singles + her persona are the most memorable aspects of this era.

The Fame Monster -- Monster is a banger, and Dance in the Dark is iconic...but Alejandro demonstrated range while serving a hit that people still reference to this day. Would the other songs have smashed better in its place? Maybe. But Alejandro did what needed to be done.

Born This Way -- Judas is overrated. I am absolutely thrilled to see it shine a decade later, but musically....it's way too similar to Bad Romance. Also Highway Unicorn, Bad Kids, and The Queen were unnecessary.

ARTPOP -- This is my favorite era. This album will always be special to me. But it was not that musically experimental. In my eyes, ARTPOP is great because of the aggressive sincerity she exuded in most of the tracks and the all of the public appearances. This album era feels like a deeply wounded person fighting for her life to simply feel okay, to feel something. Likewise, part of what makes ARTPOP so memorable was being a Stan during the era itself.

Cheek to Cheek -- If she had not fully committed to this and delivered as well as she did, I don't think we would be stanning the global legend we Stan today. Later works solidified and advanced her career wonderfully, but this is the THEE turning point, the pivot...and she nailed it without a hitch because at the end of the day, she can sing. Period.

Joanne -- Stans are way too hard on this album, and disparaging it as the "dead aunt" album is so stupid. I feel like the Joanne persona is actually beautiful and poignant -- wanting to embody the grace and importance of someone that meant everything to her father, someone she never met but has always felt spiritually connected to. Was it perfect? No. Did she really oversell the #regularGirl stuff? Yes. But the sincerity and love is there, and many of you all refuse to see it.

A Star is Born -- Shallow is one of the most important songs of her entire career in terms of cultural impact and commercial success. Also, I don't really care if it's a duet, and I don't believe that makes it less of a success for her. I really don't. No one is streaming to listen to Bradley Cooper, they're streaming to hear "I'm off the deep end!"

Chromatica -- This album is really tame. I think most fans would agree with that. That being said, I think Bloodpop takes a disproportionately large amount of heat for this. I don't think anyone deserves "blame" but I do think Gaga was suffering in private a lot at this time, and to me, that's the bigger factor in why the album isn't as outrageous as we would have hoped. 

Love For Sale -- I really really hope that Tony Bennett truly wanted to do this, and that his team was not just milking his final years for another era.

Mayhem -- Die With a Smile's success was not just because of Bruno. She delivers her part of the song. The Dead Dance has incredible production, but I know she could have made a more robust chorus than that. Abracadabra is one fo the best songs she's ever made. LoveDrug is highly underrated.

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ARTPOP is not experimental if all she did was purchase the instrumentals

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4 hours ago, imogen2133 said:

The difference between the retro sounds of The Fame or BTW and Mayhem is that her older 70s/80s inspired songs is that the older ones sounded more inspired by that sound and had the gagaisms added to make them unique where as the ones on Mayhem were too similar/were almost a ripoff to the sounds she was inspired by (Michael Jackson,Prince,Bowie, 80s in general) and didn't have that original twist.

I guess I just kind of disagree on the premise of what makes something “Gaga” or not. If we’re talking about the Bowie and Prince references, Killah is a prime example of something that I think is quintessentially Gaga: taking a series of seemingly disparate influences (Bowie, Prince, Beck, Janet Jackson, the vampy camp of The Cramps, Tina Turner), fusing them together into a psychedelic glam industrial funk track with an electro-surf rock/punk bridge that is still, fundamentally, an infectiously, catchy pop song.

Not to mention that the perversity and absurdity of the double entendre that the song is centered around is so insanely Gaga. I understand that you’re saying that you don’t think that the references are integrated enough into her core sound to avoid feeling like pastiches, but I just think that if you look at the range of sounds that Gaga has explored both in her career in general and also in her pre-fame demos, I think her core sound is a bit broader than you are giving it credit.

Edited Saturday at 07:23 PM by Ladle Ghoulash

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1 hour ago, nATAH said:

ARTPOP is not experimental if all she did was purchase the instrumentals

Stopppp you’re going to scaldddddddddd them. 

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Another one... Gaga should have take a long break after BTW (for mental and physical health reasons) and cancel the whole ARTPOP project, nothing of that album is worthy follow up of Born This Way. It was a downgrade and she promised more that what she could deliver. 

Edited Saturday at 08:59 PM by NemoMyName