bpmMonkey 7,529 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 19 hours ago, Aglaya said: Im sorry but as a non-american seeing SZA paired with Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Rihanna.... is so funny She's barely known outside the US and it shows Seeing Taylor in the same bracket already is a stretch saving people, hunting things - the family business 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadArchitect 1,401 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 10 minutes ago, Anderson123 said: No offense but these lists are kind of pathetic. Pop divas are truly the sports of the gays. this is what's most frustrating, they treat music as if it was sports wtf, this categorized competitive setting is completely made up, even the metrics of popularity performance most pop music stans use are skewed and not trustworthy when you want to estimate success and impact, it's a bad imitation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmMonkey 7,529 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 20 hours ago, elsamars said: Level 1 - Flops Rita Ora Bebe Rexha Ava Max Normani Meghan Trainor Madison Beer Level 2 - Khia Asylum Escapees Zara Larsson Jessie J Marina Kim Petras Lizzo Level 3A - Industry Probation Tate McRae Gracie Abrams Reneé Rapp Addison Rae Lola Young Olivia Dean Level 3B - Niche Divas In Training Ethel Cain PinkPantheress Chappell Roan Audrey Hobert Tyla Victoria Monet FKA Twigs Level 4 - Supporting Pop Girls Miley Cyrus Selena Gomez Halsey Demi Lovato Camila Cabello Level 5A - The Inevitables Olivia Rodrigo Sabrina Carpenter Billie Eilish Dua Lipa Level 5B - Niche Legends Charli XCX Lana Del Rey Lorde Phoebe Bridgers Grimes Rosalia Robyn Tinashe Carly Rae Jepsen Level 5C - Nostalgia Acts Katy Perry Kesha Avril Lavigne P!nk Kelly Clarkson Gwen Stefani Fergie Level 6 - Main Pop Girls Taylor Swift Beyoncé Rihanna Lady Gaga Ariana Grande SZA Level 7 - Pop Legends Madonna Mariah Carey Britney Spears Janet Jackson Kylie Minogue Just saw this person made a follow up video "What you misunderstood about the last video" or something like that 🥲 saving people, hunting things - the family business Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenWonder 4,728 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Dojo said: Nope, you got it all wrong. Not every current main pop girl (level 6) will become a legend, some of them could easily downgrade to nostalgia acts, according to the "Swiftologist" methodology at least. Lana, for example, will eventually become a legend, no doubt about that, and she was never even a main pop girl. Ah. I am def NOT an expert (nor do I really care). I just happened to stumble on the video right before I read this thread, totally by chance. I thought I remembered him saying that once a six, always a six and all sixes will eventually become sevens (once they're no longer culturally relevant). Thanks for correcting me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 15,754 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Swiftologist is one of those gays who (I'm LGBTQ+ myself so let me speak.) thinks that just because he's gay he can insult women constantly and not have it be considered misogyny. On top of this, he is also one of those "critics" who actively wants bullying to be considered criticism, and when confronted on this says that criticism is dying and being ruined. The latter part actually is dangerous to social movements because it plays into the myth that they are "ruining everything they disagree with". he/him/his 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juicyjuicy 2,005 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Agree with this mostly. Gaga and Beyonce should be Level 7. Add Whitney and Tina to that too. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeroen Bloeming 2,334 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Britney Spears is definitely a nostalgia act Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 50,284 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) No shade, but the dolls who get their panties tied up in a bunch about stuff like this make me laugh. Stans truly cannot handle criticism of any kind with invoking anti-intellectual tropes (“there’s no such thing as objectivity in music, therefore all critical discourse surrounding it is irrelevant,” “all criticisms of women in music are misogyny”). People get way too delicate about stuff like this and, somewhat ironically, by doing so give critics they dislike too much power. You disagree? Great, that’s your prerogative! Express that disagreement! Or if you disagree with them and find them annoying, you can also just ignore them lol. Getting threatened by disagreement feels awfully insecure and using that insecurity to try to shut someone down is lowkey pathetic. Edited January 19 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SidewalkUnicorn 274 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 As someone who watched the full vid (he has a follow up too that I also watched), this is explained very clearly and makes sense. 7s are who everyone has been influenced by/worships, but is no longer currently producing culturally relevant art, hence why someone like Beyonce isn’t 7. Also I’m not really into Taylor, but there’s absolutely no denying she is a living legend based on popularity alone. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
princedeeblebleble 3,376 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) I'd personally put Marina and Kesha in Niche legends personally and Riri + Britney in Nostalgia acts.. and mayhaps SZA in 5A more than MPG cause noone really knows her in europe I think Otherwise, spot on! Love the well deserved Kylie inclusion! Edited January 19 by princedeeblebleble Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,191 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 hours ago, OMonster said: Wait, I don't mean to be rude but it is a wholly unrealistic take to suggest that Taylor Swift will be forgotten by future generations - or that there is 'literally nothing' special about her. Of course, you can dislike her as an artist but it's not credible to say that she won't be remembered and hasn't cemented her place in history, alongside (and actually higher than most of) the other artists on the list you quoted. Putting any subjective opinion on her artistry aside, she will objectively be remembered for: - Having the biggest tour of all time - Her industry 'activism' (regardless of any self-serving benefits) - ie: the historic re-recordings project and its impact on record label contracts + her impact on how streaming services compensate artists - Winning the most Album of The Year awards at the Grammys - Her prolific writing credits across her entire career (with an entirely self-written album) - The literally endless chart records she holds (again, you can question the means of how some of them were achieved but they can't be erased from the historical record) - Her catalogue of undeniable global hits (Love Story, Shake It Off, Blank Space, I Knew You Were Trouble, We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together, 22, Style, Bad Blood, Look What You Made Me Do, Anti-Hero, Cruel Summer) People are free to dislike Taylor - of course they are - but it is silly and discrediting of ones own argument to deny facts about her objectively history-making career. Is she the most talented artist of all time? Absolutely not. Is the most 'successful'? By some metrics, it could credibly be argued so (far more than any other currently-living artist). And even if she isn't, will she be remembered as a cultural phenomenon - not artist - in the same vein as Michael Jackson and the Beatles? Yes. There's no way she can't be. Artists like MJ and The Beatles aren't remembered because they broke every record in the book, made a lot of money, sold a lot of tickets, and sold more albums than everyone else. They DID do those things but that's not what makes them the legends they are. They were innovators, changed the entire game in their respective lanes, and anyone who does rock or pop music today will cite either them directly as an influence or someone who was influenced by them. You see their work in the work of basically everybody these days. Taylor doesn't have that and she never will. She's never done anything new, she doesn't innovate, she follows safe and generic trends that sell the best to the point that I can comfortably say "if you've heard one Taylor song, you've heard them all". And because of that, nobody says "oh yeah, Taylor Swift is my biggest influence" and if they ever dared to, she'd probably take them to court It's a joke to equate her to even some of her peers. Artists like Gaga or Beyoncé will end up with legacies akin to MJ and The Beatles. Maybe not as large, but certainly as respected. They're already known as people who've changed our understanding of what's possible in music. Taylor just ain't got the spark and she's clearly content with selling out stadiums singing about ex boyfriends and pretending "life is so hard 🥺🥺" 'cause that's what makes her the most money. At best, she'll be a footnote in music history for being rich. Whimsical bitch 4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 15,754 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) . Edited January 19 by 27monster27 he/him/his Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTea 6,932 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Rihanna and SZA are not main pop girls... Rihanna is a throwback act nowadays and SZA is a total nobody outside US. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aglaya 8,505 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Came back here just to say that I truly believe Charli XCX is more well-known worldwide than SZA and even Ava Max here in europe could mean anything 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idefix1999 419 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Why is level 5 split into three sub levels that don't have anything connecting? I don't know the music of all the artists up there. Happy to see Kylie as a legend, although I don't like how Miley is in a level of "supporting". She is more than that Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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